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  SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-29 09:04 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:44 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-09-30 01:44 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-30 12:25 -0400
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 14:03 -0500
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-09-30 23:36 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 20:20 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-09-30 14:45 -1000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 06:30 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:48 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-01 13:47 -0400
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 17:56 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 11:41 -0700
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-01 22:07 -0400
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 20:49 +0100
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:03 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 10:49 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 15:13 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0400
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:34 -0700
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:50 +0000
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 05:52 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet chris <chris-nospam@tridac.net> - 2021-10-20 00:00 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:13 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:48 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 22:23 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 16:07 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:06 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 19:55 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 22:17 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 08:15 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-02 13:29 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-02 07:53 -1000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-02 18:58 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:27 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-03 15:34 +0000
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 01:05 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 14:17 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 16:42 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-04 17:17 +0100
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 16:38 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:10 -0400
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 00:11 -0400
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 08:31 -0400
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 11:34 -0400
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 17:31 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-10-06 09:31 +0100
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-08 18:53 -0400
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 17:41 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 20:58 -0400
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 06:38 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 01:26 -0500
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 08:12 +0100
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 03:41 -0500
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-05 23:04 +0000
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 06:48 -0700
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 14:17 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 23:03 -0500
                              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-06 04:58 +0000
                                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:59 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:00 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2021-11-25 20:13 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-11-26 04:02 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-10-01 23:19 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-30 18:38 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 19:26 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-30 21:39 +0200
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-01 21:32 +0200
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 20:31 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:24 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 11:12 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:09 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-02 18:32 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 20:41 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:40 -0500
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-03 13:31 +0200
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 05:15 -0700
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 05:27 -0700
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-03 13:35 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 07:07 -0700
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-03 23:06 -0500
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-03 16:25 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 10:00 -0700
                              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:09 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-03 22:57 -0500
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:06 +0200
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 14:11 +0100
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 10:28 +0200
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 10:44 +0100
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:21 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 15:29 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 11:04 +0200
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet lawrence@cluon.com (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-10-04 13:42 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ulick Magee <ulickmagee@feckoff.invalid> - 2021-11-09 23:55 +0000
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-11-09 20:44 -0600
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 06:22 +0100
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:55 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 17:19 +0100
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:13 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 17:30 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-01 18:27 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:46 +0200
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:26 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-10-02 01:12 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 11:08 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-29 16:25 +0100
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:17 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2021-09-29 15:56 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-29 17:22 +0100
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:22 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 13:27 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 12:58 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-30 19:12 +0100
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 13:16 -0700
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 15:59 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:38 -0700
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-29 17:36 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 22:32 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:25 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:57 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-02 22:07 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:07 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 11:46 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-03 18:14 +0100
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:35 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 10:45 -0700
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:28 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-06 15:55 +0300
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-06 14:35 +0100
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:37 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-07 07:04 +0100
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 18:30 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:47 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-07 13:07 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:16 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-08 00:08 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:50 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:32 -0500
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:38 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-07 17:42 +0300
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:26 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 23:44 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:23 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:27 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:56 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:58 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-07 20:01 -0700
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-08 00:54 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-12 12:23 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 13:35 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-12 16:16 -0700
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:38 -0500

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#50400

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> 
>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>>> read.
>> 
>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>> 
>
>Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!

Although Al Gore, himself, has _never_ actually claimed to
have invented the Internet - that's a calumny invented by
political opponents.

Al Gore did, however, facilitate the funding of the organization
that was responsible for the underpinnings of the modern
Internet when he was Senator.

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#50413

On 10/5/21 9:17 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>>>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>>>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>>>> read.
>>>
>>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>>>
>>
>> Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!
> 
> Although Al Gore, himself, has _never_ actually claimed to
> have invented the Internet - that's a calumny invented by
> political opponents.
> 
> Al Gore did, however, facilitate the funding of the organization
> that was responsible for the underpinnings of the modern
> Internet when he was Senator.


"Al Gore" or "Algor" is one half of the syllables of "Algorithm." Ergo
Al Gore invented Algebra. He is our Algor-bro. More than that--Al Gore
is math incarnate. He is a blessed son of the Ubernummer. Algor is the
living half word of the Algorithm.

We might consider a shrine to Algor, like the hacker dead cow cult that
has a shrine to Mr. T.

Hail Algor! Algor heil!

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#50414

On 2021-10-06, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

> On 10/5/21 9:17 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>>>>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>>>>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>>>>> read.
>>>>
>>>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>>>
>>> Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!
>> 
>> Although Al Gore, himself, has _never_ actually claimed to
>> have invented the Internet - that's a calumny invented by
>> political opponents.
>> 
>> Al Gore did, however, facilitate the funding of the organization
>> that was responsible for the underpinnings of the modern
>> Internet when he was Senator.
>
>
> "Al Gore" or "Algor" is one half of the syllables of "Algorithm." Ergo
> Al Gore invented Algebra. He is our Algor-bro. More than that--Al Gore
> is math incarnate. He is a blessed son of the Ubernummer. Algor is the
> living half word of the Algorithm.
>
> We might consider a shrine to Algor, like the hacker dead cow cult that
> has a shrine to Mr. T.
>
> Hail Algor! Algor heil!

    Algorithm
    Algorithm
    Algorithm
    Who could ask for anything more?
      -- Stan Kelly-Bootle: The Devil's DP Dictionary

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Life is perverse.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  It can be beautiful -
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  but it won't.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lily Tomlin

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#50425

On 10/5/21 11:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2021-10-06, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/5/21 9:17 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>>>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>>>>>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>>>>>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>>>>>> read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>>>>
>>>> Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!
>>>
>>> Although Al Gore, himself, has _never_ actually claimed to
>>> have invented the Internet - that's a calumny invented by
>>> political opponents.
>>>
>>> Al Gore did, however, facilitate the funding of the organization
>>> that was responsible for the underpinnings of the modern
>>> Internet when he was Senator.
>>
>>
>> "Al Gore" or "Algor" is one half of the syllables of "Algorithm." Ergo
>> Al Gore invented Algebra. He is our Algor-bro. More than that--Al Gore
>> is math incarnate. He is a blessed son of the Ubernummer. Algor is the
>> living half word of the Algorithm.
>>
>> We might consider a shrine to Algor, like the hacker dead cow cult that
>> has a shrine to Mr. T.
>>
>> Hail Algor! Algor heil!
> 
>     Algorithm
>     Algorithm
>     Algorithm
>     Who could ask for anything more?
>       -- Stan Kelly-Bootle: The Devil's DP Dictionary
> 

They have a Mr. T prayer candle. The cult of the Algor could make a Al
Gore prayer candle.

-- 
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█░░███████░░█░░████░░███░░████░░███        [chan] 711
█░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███        spooky mart
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        always open
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        stay spooky
██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█        https://bitmessage.org
██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█
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#50379

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
>>On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>>>> Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>>>> Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>>>> downloads binaries via NZB files".  And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>>>> anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well.  I'm 26 years
>>>>> old, for the record.. :)
>>>>
>>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>>
>>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>>
>>I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't 
>>mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>
> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).

Oldest or using Usenet longest?

I'm only 75.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#51257

Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:


>I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this
>newsgroup.. I don't mean age, but who's been here the longest.

I arrived between the Great Renaming and the "kremvax" successor
April Fools post about not being fooled by forged Usenet posts;
does anyone recall that year?

-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#51258

According to David Lesher  <wb8foz@panix.com>:
>Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
>
>
>>I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this
>>newsgroup.. I don't mean age, but who's been here the longest.

The oldest message of mine I can find in the Google Groups archive is from October 1985,
considerably before the Great Renaming.

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#50289

On 9/30/2021 12:44 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>> Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>> Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>> downloads binaries via NZB files".  And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>> anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
> 
> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various 
> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well.  I'm 26 years 
> old, for the record.. :)

I hooked my dialup BBS to a few newsgroups in the mid '90s (yes, 
UUCP). My BBS was business oriented, so alas I had to deal with a few 
spammers (who I think at that time just didn't know it wasn't 
acceptable). Then came the web, and dialups vanished.

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#50245

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>In sci.crypt 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it dead.
>> It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social media, reddit,
>> and the like.
>
>It is also obscure because:
>
>  1) many (most?) ISP's began dropping NNTP feeds as part of their 
>     provided package of features when one purchased an account.  If 
>     one's ISP did not provide NNTP, and the person signing up did not 
>     already know of Usenet and also know how to buy separate access, 
>     then there was limited to no discovery on the part of new people 
>     on the 'net' of Usenet

As I mentioned in another forum, blame also needs to be placed on former New
York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who threatened to prosecute ISPs over
alleged child pornography in binary newsgoups and gave the major ISPs an excuse
to shut down their NNTP servers entirely back in the mid-aughts.

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#50249

In sci.crypt Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>In sci.crypt 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it 
>>> dead.  It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social 
>>> media, reddit, and the like.
>>
>>It is also obscure because:
>>
>>  1) many (most?) ISP's began dropping NNTP feeds as part of their 
>>     provided package of features when one purchased an account.  If 
>>     one's ISP did not provide NNTP, and the person signing up did 
>>     not already know of Usenet and also know how to buy separate 
>>     access, then there was limited to no discovery on the part of 
>>     new people on the 'net' of Usenet
> 
> As I mentioned in another forum, blame also needs to be placed on 
> former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who threatened to 
> prosecute ISPs over alleged child pornography in binary newsgoups and 
> gave the major ISPs an excuse to shut down their NNTP servers 
> entirely back in the mid-aughts.

That did also have an impact.  But consider that had NNTP/Usenet 
service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP 
accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's would 
likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the NY AG.

The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for 
termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to shutter 
NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a convienent reason 
at the moment.  Had he not done so, they would have likely latched onto 
some other reason to turn it off.

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#50251

On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:
> In sci.crypt Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

...

> That did also have an impact.  But consider that had NNTP/Usenet 
> service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP 
> accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's would 
> likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the NY AG.
> 
> The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for 
> termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to shutter 
> NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a convienent reason 
> at the moment.  Had he not done so, they would have likely latched onto 
> some other reason to turn it off.
> 

Indeed.

My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new clients,
but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts. They also
closed our web pages.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50270

On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:
>
>> That did also have an impact.  But consider that had NNTP/Usenet 
>> service been seen as a major selling point for folks buying ISP 
>> accounts, or a major revenue center for the ISP, those same ISP's
>> would likely not have shut it down, even with the bluster of the
>> NY AG.
>> 
>> The ISP's had probably already targeted NNTP/Usenet service for 
>> termination and were likely simply looking for some reason to
>> shutter NNTP/Usenet service anyway, and the NY AG provided a
>> convienent reason at the moment.  Had he not done so, they
>> would have likely latched onto some other reason to turn it off.
>
> Indeed.
>
> My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new
> clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts.
> They also closed our web pages.

You're lucky.  My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river
to Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase).
Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through
third parties.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Life is perverse.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  It can be beautiful -
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  but it won't.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lily Tomlin

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#50276

On 01/10/2021 19.43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:

...

>> Indeed.
>>
>> My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new
>> clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts.
>> They also closed our web pages.
> 
> You're lucky.  My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river
> to Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase).
> Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through
> third parties.

I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
not google. I suffer hiccups.

Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
offer similar service to what my ISP offered.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50279

In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/10/2021 19.43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2021-09-30, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2021 21.26, Rich wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> My ISP, for instance, since years does not provide email to new 
>>> clients, but fortunately has not cancelled the existing accounts.  
>>> They also closed our web pages.
>> 
>> You're lucky.  My ISP sold all its e-mail accounts down the river to 
>> Google (and yes, I do know the provenance of that phrase).  
>> Fortunately I was already getting email and Usenet through third 
>> parties.
> 
> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, 
> certainly not google.  I suffer hiccups.
> 
> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, 
> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP.  Too many people know 
> my address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a 
> nuisance to change.  Back then, I did not imagine this.  Although I 
> think that back then independent mail providers were more expensive 
> or didn't offer similar service to what my ISP offered.

My first 'internet email' was with $job, and as I knew full well the 
monitoring/tracking possibilities of internet networking I used it only 
for $job.  When dialup ISP's suddenly popped onto the scene in my area, 
I signed up and got a username@isp-domain.com email address (in large 
part driven by $job actually starting to do some of those 
monitoring/tracking possibilities).  When 'broadband' (DSL) appeared 
later in my area, I realized the negative aspects of having my email 
address tied to "@isp-domain.com" and bought my own domain and setup my 
own email hosting.  That was circa 2000 now, and I've had the same 
email address through three different ISP's and four different "links".  
That was also generally in the time before the advent of 
google/yahoo/hotmail "webmail" service overall, so one's options were 
generally an "@isp-domain.com" including the negatives related to 
switching ISP's or "host it yourself".

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#50281

On 2021-10-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> generally an "@isp-domain.com" including the negatives related to 
> switching ISP's or "host it yourself".
Sure, that is why you scared to live you real email address :P

-- 

7-77-777
Evil Sinner!

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#50305

On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
> not google. I suffer hiccups.
> 
> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.

I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
future caretakers.

All youngsters and nascent hackers:

1. Register a domain name and never lose it.

2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
check yearly.

3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.

4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do
not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per
year for the VPS ... it's worth it.

5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better
for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical
servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck
even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff.

6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me.

This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and
backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your
presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely
get clobbered when you least expect it.

-- 
███████████████████████████████████
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█░░███████░░█░░████░░███░░████░░███        [chan] 711
█░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███        spooky mart
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        always open
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        stay spooky
██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█        https://bitmessage.org
██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█
██████░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░█
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#50311

On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

> Since this hierarchy is beginning to look like a retirement community

	We are sometimes known as the auld farts of computing - although
sadly several of the auldest farts are no longer with us and are much
missed, but we're not all retired some of us are still active in the biz.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#50313

On a sunny day (Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500) it happened 711 Spooky Mart
<711@spooky.mart> wrote in <sja0cc$1leb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

>On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
>> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>> 
>> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
>> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
>> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
>> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
>> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
>> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
>
>I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
>run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
>provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
>personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
>to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
>future caretakers.
>
>All youngsters and nascent hackers:
>
>1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
>
>2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
>check yearly.
>
>3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>
>4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do
>not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per
>year for the VPS ... it's worth it.
>
>5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better
>for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical
>servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck
>even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff.
>
>6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me.
>
>This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and
>backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your
>presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely
>get clobbered when you least expect it.

I have now my website and domain registered by godaddy.
Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there was an ever increasing number of attacks
from all over the world, many bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs
became a lot of not very interesting work, iptables has 4430 or so entries now... some whole IP ranges..
Now I also have unlimited email addresses with godaddy, popmail, so good old
fetchmail and good old pine work great.
But it cost money of course.

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#50316

On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there

	I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.

> was an ever increasing number of attacks from all over the world, many
> bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs

	The ssh attacks I ignore, sshd is set up to only accept keys and I
keep those safe, likewise the VPN.

	The incoming mail server does get attempts to use it as a relay but
it only accepts mail for delivery not relay so they don't get far.

	The web attacks I ignore (well occasionally I look at the logs and
giggle a bit) but then my web server serves only static pages from a
read-only mount and CGI support is turned off not that there are any
script to handle POST, PUT or DEL it's GET only.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#50329

On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
> Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there
> 
> 	I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
> separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.

I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is
appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can"
attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do."

-- 
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█░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░░███░░░░██░░███        spooky mart
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        always open
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        stay spooky
██████░░██░░█░░░░██░░░░█░░░░██░░░░█        https://bitmessage.org
██████░░██░░█░░██████░░█░░██████░░█
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