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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-19 20:27 -0500 |
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"On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:27 -0500
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 19:24 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 02:51 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 04:52 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-19 22:39 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:17 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 16:07 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:15 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-19 23:49 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 16:13 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 18:35 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:34 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 12:25 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:22 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 06:34 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:37 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 18:22 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:46 -0500
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 19:26 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 13:36 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:05 -0500
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 15:03 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 15:05 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 15:52 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 23:55 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 23:57 -0400
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-23 05:51 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 11:08 -0400
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 11:17 -0400
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 13:43 +0300
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 11:14 -0600
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 15:51 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-22 15:53 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 17:23 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 17:28 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 23:56 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 17:26 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 11:30 -0600
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-24 20:10 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-24 14:13 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 14:29 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-24 15:49 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-24 16:33 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-25 00:01 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 00:51 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-25 03:01 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 05:56 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 23:08 -0600
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-25 16:58 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-26 04:02 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-28 18:43 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-29 03:03 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-28 21:04 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-28 21:29 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-29 05:14 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-29 05:56 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-29 05:55 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-29 04:29 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 23:07 -0600
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-28 18:41 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-29 08:13 -0600
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-29 14:36 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 00:48 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 12:43 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 12:52 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-25 22:05 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 16:30 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 23:54 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:24 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 16:43 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:49 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-22 23:52 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:20 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-22 23:31 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:47 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-19 23:51 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-19 23:54 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 00:26 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 00:27 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:59 +0300
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-20 13:30 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:25 -0500
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-21 14:40 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-21 16:36 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 23:27 -0400
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:25 +0300
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 08:51 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 08:49 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-20 10:56 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:41 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-20 15:26 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:02 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 18:44 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-21 13:44 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:55 -0700
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:29 +0300
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-21 18:38 +0000
Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:22 -0400
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 14:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494161 |
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, > > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > >> > >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... > > > > Ouch. > > > IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health > issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a > bit at that point. I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an improvement. There was a funny, on target, and very unauthorized X-rated ‘Cherry Poptart’ takeoff on it called ‘Cave of the Bare Clan’. Pt
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 15:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pgp76a$f7j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #494162 |
On 6/24/2018 2:29 PM, Peter Trei wrote: > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >>> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... >>> >>> Ouch. >>> >> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health >> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a >> bit at that point. > > I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an improvement. > Fem porn but ya. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 16:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e9d23cc0-d7cc-4a5f-82f4-f3bd54082671@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494162 |
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 7:29:32 AM UTC+10, Peter Trei wrote: > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > > On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, > > > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... > > > > > > Ouch. > > > > > IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health > > issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a > > bit at that point. > > I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being soft core erotica later on Sort of. There were more graphically described sex scenes in later volumes but IMHO they weren't frequent enough to get an 'erotica' tag. Not just sex scenes, but *bad* sex scenes where you read on in fascination to see whether or not Jonadalar would find Ayla's nodule, which he inexplicably kept losing. >, which may or may not have been an improvement. Not. The first was easily the best of the bunch, at least of the four that I read. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 00:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pAuqqt.1yCG@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494162 |
In article <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... >> > >> > Ouch. >> > >> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health >> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a >> bit at that point. > >I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being >soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an >improvement. "Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as volume two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had some sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE ENTIRE BOOK. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 00:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA90BB5A4E5F53taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #494165 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:pAuqqt.1yCG@kithrup.com:
> In article
> <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, Peter
> Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional
>>Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book
>>> >> series ...
>>> >
>>> > Ouch.
>>> >
>>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of
>>> author health issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of
>>> the series changed a bit at that point.
>>
>>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards
>>being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been
>>an improvement.
>
> "Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as
> volume two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had
> some sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for
> THE ENTIRE BOOK.
>
If it was typical of such hack writing, if it hadn't, there
wouldn't have *been* a book. At most, perhaps, a short story, and a
boring one at that.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 03:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pAuz2C.9oo@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494168 |
In article <XnsA90BB5A4E5F53taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>, Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in >news:pAuqqt.1yCG@kithrup.com: > >> In article >> <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, Peter >> Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >>>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional >>>Traveler wrote: >>>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book >>>> >> series ... >>>> > >>>> > Ouch. >>>> > >>>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of >>>> author health issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of >>>> the series changed a bit at that point. >>> >>>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards >>>being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been >>>an improvement. >> >> "Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as >> volume two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had >> some sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for >> THE ENTIRE BOOK. >> >If it was typical of such hack writing, if it hadn't, there >wouldn't have *been* a book. At most, perhaps, a short story, and a >boring one at that. Category romance is as capable of turning into A Much Too Long Volume as any other genre. ObSF: Robert Jordan. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 05:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA90BE953D749Dtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #494170 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:pAuz2C.9oo@kithrup.com:
> In article <XnsA90BB5A4E5F53taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:pAuqqt.1yCG@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, Peter
>>> Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional
>>>>Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book
>>>>> >> series ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ouch.
>>>>> >
>>>>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of
>>>>> author health issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone
>>>>> of the series changed a bit at that point.
>>>>
>>>>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved
>>>>towards being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not
>>>>have been an improvement.
>>>
>>> "Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as
>>> volume two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover
>>> had some sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them
>>> apart for THE ENTIRE BOOK.
>>>
>>If it was typical of such hack writing, if it hadn't, there
>>wouldn't have *been* a book. At most, perhaps, a short story,
>>and a boring one at that.
>
> Category romance is as capable of turning into A Much Too Long
> Volume as any other genre.
Indeed. But not by having trivial misunderstandings *be* trivial.
Which is what I actually said.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 23:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fpbbm7Fe7c3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494165 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, >Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... >>> > >>> > Ouch. >>> > >>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health >>> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a >>> bit at that point. >> >>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being >>soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an >>improvement. > >"Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as volume >two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had some >sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE >ENTIRE BOOK. Well, geography kept them apart for more than half of it. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 16:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d1191d6b-e1bc-460e-93a7-ef6936e78918@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494172 |
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:08:27 PM UTC+10, Greg Goss wrote: > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: > > >In article <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, > >Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > >>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, > >>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... > >>> > > >>> > Ouch. > >>> > > >>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health > >>> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a > >>> bit at that point. > >> > >>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being > >>soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an > >>improvement. > > > >"Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as volume > >two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had some > >sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE > >ENTIRE BOOK. > > Well, geography kept them apart for more than half of it. I think Dorothy meant book 3, that was the one where the idiotic misunderstanding led to our heroes being tragically kept apart for most of the book and the heroine nearly marrying someone else. Fortunately they figured it out and had bad caveman sex to make up, leaving the third party tragically jilted at the altar (ok, it was probably more of a rock). As you say, in book 2 they didn't even meet up until about halfway through. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-26 04:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pAwwKr.Ar3@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494202 |
In article <d1191d6b-e1bc-460e-93a7-ef6936e78918@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:08:27 PM UTC+10, Greg Goss wrote: >> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >> >> >In article <85cb4244-331b-4321-a22d-4452b09d815a@googlegroups.com>, >> >Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> >>> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >>> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >>> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... >> >>> > >> >>> > Ouch. >> >>> > >> >>> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health >> >>> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a >> >>> bit at that point. >> >> >> >>I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being >> >>soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an >> >>improvement. >> > >> >"Category romance" would be more like it. I got as far as volume >> >two, IIRC, during which the protagonist and her lover had some >> >sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE >> >ENTIRE BOOK. >> >> Well, geography kept them apart for more than half of it. > >I think Dorothy meant book 3, that was the one where the idiotic >misunderstanding led to our heroes being tragically kept apart for most >of the book and the heroine nearly marrying someone else. Fortunately >they figured it out and had bad caveman sex to make up, leaving the >third party tragically jilted at the altar (ok, it was probably more of >a rock). > >As you say, in book 2 they didn't even meet up until about halfway through. Okay, I bet you're right and it was book 3. It's been a LONG time and I would go to the gallows before reading it again. What sticks with me, now more than anything else, is the statemeent that _don_ is Cro-Magnon for "mother." It's Indo-European (many, many millennia later) for "river." -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 18:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494165 |
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > during which the protagonist and her lover had some > sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE > ENTIRE BOOK. I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a book about primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct approach to life. John Savard
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-29 03:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pB2DuI.Fnz@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494306 |
In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE >> ENTIRE BOOK. > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a >book about >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct >approach to >life. In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow in August) are frequently used. I did read a romance once in which H&H were separated by the New Madrid earthquake, when the river ran backwards, and the misunderstanding consisted of each thinking the other was dead. Unfortunately, the earthquake was over in the first chapter, and the rest of it was deadly dull. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 21:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f00e8dd0-a285-464c-a19b-398b9ecd9a98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494310 |
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
> >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
> >> ENTIRE BOOK.
> >
> >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
> >book about
> >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
> >approach to
> >life.
>
> In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
> was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
> keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
> till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
> speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
> in August) are frequently used.
Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other synonyms.
-Moriarty
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 21:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494311 |
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
> > >
> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
> > >book about
> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
> > >approach to
> > >life.
> >
> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
> > in August) are frequently used.
>
> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other synonyms.
And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are banging on about:
"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it. What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid, retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring, distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way (if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals", this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a paragraph...I draw the line!"
...
"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book (and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR UP!!"
-Moriarty
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-06-29 05:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fpltijFeob3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494312 |
In article <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
>> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>> > >
>> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>> > >book about
>> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>> > >approach to
>> > >life.
>> >
>> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>> > in August) are frequently used.
>>
>> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>synonyms.
>
>And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing
>so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
>
>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
>
>It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has
>written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
>
>This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are
>banging on about:
>
>"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing
>that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it.
>What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of
>the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid,
>retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
>
>I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring,
>distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the
>characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way
>(if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals",
>this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters
>act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should
>have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a
>paragraph...I draw the line!"
>
>...
>
>"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could
>understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole
>TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
>
>THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
>
>All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book
>(and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts
>and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR
>UP!!"
>
>-Moriarty
Maybe an update of the old Upton Sinclair quote:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
"It is diffult to get protagonists to understand something when
the plot depends upon their not understanding it."
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-29 05:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pB2LuD.uz2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494314 |
In article <fpltijFeob3U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com>,
>Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>>> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>>> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>>> > >
>>> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>>> > >book about
>>> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>>> > >approach to
>>> > >life.
>>> >
>>> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>>> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>>> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>>> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>>> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>>> > in August) are frequently used.
>>>
>>> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>>synonyms.
>>
>>And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing
>>so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
>>
>>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
>>
>>It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has
>>written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
>>
>>This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are
>>banging on about:
>>
>>"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing
>>that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it.
>>What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of
>>the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid,
>>retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
>>
>>I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring,
>>distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the
>>characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way
>>(if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals",
>>this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters
>>act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should
>>have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a
>>paragraph...I draw the line!"
>>
>>...
>>
>>"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could
>>understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole
>>TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
>>
>>THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
>>
>>All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book
>>(and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts
>>and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR
>>UP!!"
>>
>>-Moriarty
>
>Maybe an update of the old Upton Sinclair quote:
>
> "It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
> when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
>
>"It is diffult to get protagonists to understand something when
>the plot depends upon their not understanding it."
By George, he's got it.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-29 05:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pB2Lt8.uvw@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494312 |
In article <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
>> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>> > >
>> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>> > >book about
>> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>> > >approach to
>> > >life.
>> >
>> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>> > in August) are frequently used.
>>
>> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>synonyms.
>
>And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing
>so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
>
>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
Okay. Yeah. That about covers it.
>It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has
>written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
>
>This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are
>banging on about:
>
>"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing
>that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it.
>What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of
>the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid,
>retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
>
>I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring,
>distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the
>characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way
>(if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals",
>this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters
>act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should
>have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a
>paragraph...I draw the line!"
>
>...
>
>"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could
>understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole
>TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
>
>THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
>
>All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book
>(and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts
>and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR
>UP!!"
Ayup.
Category romance cubed.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-29 04:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pB2HsI.Mwp@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #494311 |
In article <f00e8dd0-a285-464c-a19b-398b9ecd9a98@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>> >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>> >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>> >
>> >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>> >book about
>> >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>> >approach to
>> >life.
>>
>> In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>> was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>> keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>> till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>> speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>> in August) are frequently used.
>
>Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>synonyms.
Heh. Keep in mind, I recall very few details of that book.
However, it is not unlikely that the forthright tribesmen thought
H&H were entirely wrong for each other, and if only everybody
kept quiet, they'd eventually find somebody more suitable.
And they may have had something there.
In Real Life (tm) one frequently finds people (usually,
middle-aged to elderly women) who *know* what's good for the
young lovers, who are too young and foolish to realize it.
Sometimes they're right; sometimes they're wrong.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 23:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fpbbklFe7c3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #494162 |
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:13:00 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> On 6/24/2018 1:10 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, >> > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> ... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... >> > >> > Ouch. >> > >> IIRC there was a long gap between books 4 and 5 because of author health >> issues (a stroke I seem to recall). The tone of the series changed a >> bit at that point. > >I think I only read the first book. I’m told it moved towards being soft core erotica later on, which may or may not have been an improvement. The second book had maybe five or six explicit sex scenes, which would be, what, 2 to 5% of the book? I actually read the second book first, then went back and read the first. I read the third in hardcover (I hate hate hate heavy books, but wasn't willing to wait the extra year.) and each of the other in the five-book set as they were available. I didn't find book six till I was replacing the set in epub. >There was a funny, on target, and very unauthorized X-rated ‘Cherry Poptart’ takeoff on it called ‘Cave of the Bare Clan’. > >Pt -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-06-28 18:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cc96668a-f2d9-43d9-adc4-b7118e07545f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #494159 |
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 2:30:05 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <fpa2qkF779rU1@mid.individual.net>, > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > >... book six of the "Clan of the Cave Bear" five book series ... > Ouch. Wasn't there a fourth and a fifth book of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy? So it's happened before. John Savard
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