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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo |
| Date | 2018-06-29 05:14 +0000 |
| Organization | loft |
| Message-ID | <fpltijFeob3U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <pgcain$rv1$1@dont-email.me> <pB2DuI.Fnz@kithrup.com> <f00e8dd0-a285-464c-a19b-398b9ecd9a98@googlegroups.com> <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com> |
In article <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com>,
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
>> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>> > >
>> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>> > >book about
>> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>> > >approach to
>> > >life.
>> >
>> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>> > in August) are frequently used.
>>
>> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>synonyms.
>
>And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing
>so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
>
>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
>
>It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has
>written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
>
>This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are
>banging on about:
>
>"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing
>that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it.
>What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of
>the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid,
>retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
>
>I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring,
>distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the
>characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way
>(if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals",
>this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters
>act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should
>have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a
>paragraph...I draw the line!"
>
>...
>
>"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could
>understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole
>TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
>
>THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
>
>All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book
>(and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts
>and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR
>UP!!"
>
>-Moriarty
Maybe an update of the old Upton Sinclair quote:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
"It is diffult to get protagonists to understand something when
the plot depends upon their not understanding it."
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