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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
| Subject | Re: "On the subject of slander" by John Ringo |
| Message-ID | <pB2LuD.uz2@kithrup.com> (permalink) |
| Date | 2018-06-29 05:56 +0000 |
| References | <pgcain$rv1$1@dont-email.me> <f00e8dd0-a285-464c-a19b-398b9ecd9a98@googlegroups.com> <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com> <fpltijFeob3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| Organization | Kithrup Enterprises, Ld. |
In article <fpltijFeob3U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <85db95c6-ec26-458d-90da-430b28582a0a@googlegroups.com>,
>Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:04:30 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:30:04 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > In article <45b6b909-e59d-4a9b-80fc-e431d538612d@googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> > >On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > >> during which the protagonist and her lover had some
>>> > >> sort of trivial misunderstanding and it kept them apart for THE
>>> > >> ENTIRE BOOK.
>>> > >
>>> > >I could see that happening in a Victorian comedy of manners. But in a
>>> > >book about
>>> > >primitive cave people? One would think they would have a more direct
>>> > >approach to
>>> > >life.
>>> >
>>> > In life, they probably did. In the twentieth century, the author
>>> > was writing a category romance and had to figure out some way of
>>> > keeping hero and heroine (or H&H, as they say in the trade) apart
>>> > till Chapter Last. Misunderstandings that neither party dares to
>>> > speak about (because the misunderstanding would vanish like snow
>>> > in August) are frequently used.
>>>
>>> Yeah but in this particular case ("The Mammoth Hunters" by Jean M Auel
>>for those who came in late) the H&H are kept apart not only by them not
>>taking five minutes to compare notes, but also by every single other
>>person in tribe knowing precisely what was going on and NOT SAYING A
>>THING! The whole wretched trainwreck was made worse by the author
>>constantly describing the tribe as "forthright", "blunt" and other
>>synonyms.
>>
>>And for anyone who hasn't read the book and has no intention of doing
>>so, I recommend you read Crystal Starr Light's review on goodreads:
>>
>>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/271283632?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1
>>
>>It's also recommended for those who HAVE read it. In fact, she has
>>written a review of all six books in the series and they're all a hoot.
>>
>>This is how her review describes the misunderstanding Dorothy and I are
>>banging on about:
>>
>>"But none of those elements really compare to the most horrible thing
>>that nearly destroyed all the good things this book had going for it.
>>What did the most destruction to the goodness of this book was one of
>>the absolute stupidest, most inane, childish, disgusting, vapid,
>>retarded Big Misunderstandings in the world of Big Misunderstandings.
>>
>>I can live with the info-dumping (even if it is terribly boring,
>>distracting to the "plot", and way above the knowledge of the
>>characters). I can even enjoy the really bad sex scenes in a MST3K way
>>(if you enjoy reading about Jondalar's "manhood" and Ayla's "petals",
>>this is your book). But when an author resorts to having her characters
>>act like lobotomized chimpanzees in order to drive a plot that should
>>have been wrapped up in no more than a chapter and probably more like a
>>paragraph...I draw the line!"
>>
>>...
>>
>>"You know what's even worse? (Yes, I did say "worse".) I *MAYBE* could
>>understand this happening if they were in a vacuum. But there is a whole
>>TRIBE of people around them. And you know what?
>>
>>THEY DON'T FRAKKIN' BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS COUPLE!!
>>
>>All these supposedly "open" and "blunt" Mamutoi in the previous book
>>(and even earlier in this book) SUDDENLY really respect private thoughts
>>and REFUSE TO CLARIFY A SITUATION THAT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS TO CLEAR
>>UP!!"
>>
>>-Moriarty
>
>Maybe an update of the old Upton Sinclair quote:
>
> "It is difficult to get a man to understand something,
> when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
>
>"It is diffult to get protagonists to understand something when
>the plot depends upon their not understanding it."
By George, he's got it.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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