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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-06-23 17:22 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 206 — 39 participants |
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Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-25 13:44 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:34 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 01:03 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-25 14:44 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-26 18:27 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-26 08:56 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-27 05:32 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:40 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 08:04 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-27 09:48 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:52 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:02 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:11 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 09:22 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:01 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 11:48 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:45 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 13:06 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 09:37 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:17 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:12 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 05:47 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 07:47 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:15 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 13:11 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-29 09:24 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:28 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 00:16 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-27 18:01 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 12:32 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-27 20:06 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:07 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:26 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:49 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-29 04:01 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 09:16 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 05:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 09:51 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 10:59 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 15:15 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:05 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:28 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:50 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 18:37 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-28 01:05 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 09:25 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:13 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-29 11:18 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 17:04 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 23:24 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 19:20 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 01:43 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 10:21 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:57 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:18 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-30 15:02 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 14:19 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-30 13:21 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 18:15 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 23:17 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-01 00:05 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 15:33 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-01 19:00 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 20:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 00:28 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 03:37 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:07 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 14:53 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 11:46 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-30 11:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:48 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 11:10 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 11:18 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-02 18:21 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-05-02 12:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 07:45 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:16 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-02 19:54 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 03:24 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-03 18:22 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:16 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-03 14:47 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 09:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-03 15:17 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 14:52 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-05-04 08:42 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:09 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-03 20:49 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:05 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:25 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-04 22:06 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-04 06:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:39 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-04 15:21 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 18:56 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-05-05 16:01 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-05 02:55 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-05 10:14 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-05 11:46 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-05 19:10 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-06 19:17 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 22:39 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-01 13:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:32 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-02 13:49 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 14:44 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:13 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:05 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:06 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:45 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-01 19:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-01 19:50 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:05 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-04-28 22:14 +0200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 12:39 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 07:19 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:38 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-28 10:40 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-29 06:19 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:08 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-30 06:30 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 15:00 -0700
Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:28 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:35 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 10:27 -0400
Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 14:03 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:00 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 23:39 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 02:59 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:07 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2018-05-29 07:10 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-29 14:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:11 -0700
Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:46 -0400
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-01 20:07 +0000
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:17 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:38 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 01:58 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 05:10 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:01 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:06 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:59 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:54 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:41 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-03 19:36 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:00 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-04 07:32 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-06-04 09:13 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:08 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:37 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-05 07:25 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 13:39 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 20:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:59 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 06:20 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:09 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:09 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:00 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:24 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:50 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:54 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 18:16 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-06 06:21 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:14 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:08 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-07 16:42 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 12:26 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:16 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:13 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:12 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-04 15:40 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:11 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-03 10:29 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 09:25 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:21 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 18:19 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:15 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:44 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-17 09:30 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-17 16:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 16:59 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-17 19:29 -0600
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:01 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-19 06:58 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-21 16:34 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-22 07:30 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:05 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-23 17:22 -0400
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 18:21 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pcbldf$jva$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491464 |
On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: > On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >> >>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>> >>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>> >>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>> understand >>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>> >>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>> chemicals >>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>> >>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>> >>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >> >> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >> > I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching > about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only > looking for life like us. It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault.
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| From | Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpejaqc.hcs.alan@video.sabir.com> |
| In reply to | #491501 |
On 2018-05-02, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: > >> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>> >>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>> understand >>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>> >>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>> chemicals >>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>> >>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>> >>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>> >>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>> >> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >> looking for life like us. > > It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that > they lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. But the fact that you ignorantly accuse them of being lazy is your fault. Chris
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 07:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pcciub$lj3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491501 |
On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: > >> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>> >>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>> understand >>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>> >>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>> chemicals >>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>> >>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>> >>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>> >>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>> >> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >> looking for life like us. > > It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they > lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. > And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for other life with the technology and knowledge we have. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 19:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <llhked196bmhum2vjgcsj7u9j4ptaqt00l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #491512 |
On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >> >>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>>> chemicals >>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>>> >>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>>> >>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>>> >>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >>> looking for life like us. >> >> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they >> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >> >And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >other life with the technology and knowledge we have. He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to do is trivially easy.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 19:54 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fkv8g7F6l4aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #491569 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler ><dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > >>On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they >>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >>> >>And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >>other life with the technology and knowledge we have. > >He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to >do is trivially easy. Doesn't that mean he's ready to be elected president? -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 03:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D6CFA33F525taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491583 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
news:fkv8g7F6l4aU1@mid.individual.net:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>><dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>
>>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The
>>>> fact that they lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault.
>>>>
>>>And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to
>>>look for other life with the technology and knowledge we have.
>>
>>He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know
>>how to do is trivially easy.
>
> Doesn't that mean he's ready to be elected president?
It worked for Obama, but not Hillary. So historical data is mixed.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 18:22 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pce9qp$v18$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491569 |
On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said: > On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler > <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > >> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >>> >>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>>>> chemicals >>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>>>> >>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>>> >>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >>>> looking for life like us. >>> >>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they >>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >> >> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >> other life with the technology and knowledge we have. > > He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to > do is trivially easy. It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading comprehension issues. :-\ I never ever said that it was "easy". I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid to come up with such ideas, the scientists in that specific area are. Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY where water is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water is, or believing all life in the universe is the same chemistry / structure / requirements / etc. as life on Earth is stupidly blinkered.
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 06:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <96d3b9c2-8956-4af0-8e57-e7f27c927a6e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491594 |
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said: > > > On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler > > <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > > > >> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: > >>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: > >>> > >>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: > >>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in > >>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke > >>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko > >>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer > >>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [snip] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type > >>>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. > >>>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest > >>>>>>>>> what we should look for? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We already know about that one. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us > >>>>>>>> understand > >>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one > >>>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have > >>>>>>>> chemicals > >>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon > >>>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no > >>>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals > >>>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. > >>>>> > >>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. > >>>> > >>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching > >>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only > >>>> looking for life like us. > >>> > >>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they > >>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. > >> > >> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for > >> other life with the technology and knowledge we have. > > > > He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to > > do is trivially easy. > > It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading comprehension > issues. :-\ > > I never ever said that it was "easy". > > I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid to come up > with such ideas, the scientists in that specific area are. > > Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY where water > is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water is, or believing all > life in the universe is the same chemistry / structure / requirements / > etc. as life on Earth is stupidly blinkered. Again, its a practical matter. We *know* that life can exist in an environment with liquid water. We have some idea of what might be the signature of life in such an environment and such environments aren't that rare. We don't even know what to look for in other, non-aqueous environments; the best we can come up with is 'that atmosphere is chemically unbalanced, and should not persist over long periods'. Given limited resources for searching, its rational to concentrate on places we *know* could support life, rather than look at places where we might not even recognize something as alive. The goal at the moment is to find any life at all. If you feel otherwise, give arguments, taking into account that our resources to search *are* limited. What proportion of funding should be moved from studying places we *know* could support life to (for example) looking for sentient quartz crystals? pt
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 14:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180503b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #491594 |
In rec.arts.sf.written Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
<snip>
> It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading comprehension
> issues. :-\
Half of the problem is with writers who have issues putting their own
thoughts into words. Although authors probably know what their own words
mean there's also a fair chance that no one else knows what the author's
words mean.
English can be a slippery language. That's why politicians love it.
It takes considerable skill to put your own thoughts into precise,
unambiguous, easily understood language. Alice Sheldon thought it was a
miracle that people can communicate at all.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 09:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pcfdej$kn5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491594 |
On 5/2/2018 11:22 PM, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said: > >> On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler >> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >> >>> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >>>> >>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>>>>> chemicals >>>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>>>> >>>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >>>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >>>>> looking for life like us. >>>> >>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that >>>> they >>>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >>> >>> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >>> other life with the technology and knowledge we have. >> >> He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to >> do is trivially easy. > > It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading comprehension > issues. :-\ > > I never ever said that it was "easy". > > I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid to come up > with such ideas, the scientists in that specific area are. > > Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY where water > is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water is, or believing all > life in the universe is the same chemistry / structure / requirements / > etc. as life on Earth is stupidly blinkered. > What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for life think only water-based life is possible? Or that they wouldn't look for other types of life if they could? -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-04 09:03 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pcfter$1on2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491622 |
On 2018-05-03 16:30:14 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: > On 5/2/2018 11:22 PM, Your Name wrote: >> On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said: >>> On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler >>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>>> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >>>>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>>>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>>>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>>>>>> chemicals >>>>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been bitching >>>>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they only >>>>>> looking for life like us. >>>>> >>>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact that they >>>>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >>>> >>>> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >>>> other life with the technology and knowledge we have. >>> >>> He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to >>> do is trivially easy. >> >> It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading comprehension >> issues. :-\ >> >> I never ever said that it was "easy". >> >> I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid to come up >> with such ideas, the scientists in that specific area are. >> >> Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY where water >> is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water is, or believing all >> life in the universe is the same chemistry / structure / requirements / >> etc. as life on Earth is stupidly blinkered. > > What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for life > think only water-based life is possible? Or that they wouldn't look > for other types of life if they could? Why do we look for water when searching for extraterrestrial life? <https://io9.gizmodo.com/5728932/why-do-we-look-for-water-when-searching-for-extraterrestrial-life> Why do scientists look for things like water and oxygen when they talk about life on a different planet? <https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-look-for-things-like-water-and-oxygen-when-they-talk-about-life-on-a-different-planet> Jupiter's Icy Moon Europa: Best Bet for Alien Life? https://www.space.com/26905-jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life.html Why is water vital to life? https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/water-vital-to-life.htm The list is near endless. It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, oxygen, a "Goldilocks" planet in just the "right" position from the system's star, etc., etc., etc. Life in the universe is going to be spectacularly varied in type and requirements (as well as thinly spread), just as life within Earth's boundaries is. Numerous times the blinkered scientists have said that life can't exist somewhere on Earth, only to discover that something living does exist there when someone has the intelligence to actually look.
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-03 15:17 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pcfu9l$1pvi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491630 |
On 2018-05-03 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-05-03 16:30:14 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >> On 5/2/2018 11:22 PM, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said: >>>> On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler >>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said: >>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: >>>>>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke >>>>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko >>>>>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer >>>>>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type >>>>>>>>>>>> of environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest >>>>>>>>>>>> what we should look for? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We already know about that one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us >>>>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language helps one >>>>>>>>>>> understand one's own language better.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have >>>>>>>>>>> chemicals >>>>>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen - carbon >>>>>>>>>>> dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This is, of course, no >>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of life, but it is a start. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals >>>>>>>>>> are converting back and forth" at interstellar distances? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has been >>>>>>> bitching >>>>>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why are they >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> looking for life like us. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The fact >>>>>> that they >>>>>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault. >>>>> >>>>> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how to look for >>>>> other life with the technology and knowledge we have. >>>> >>>> He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't know how to >>>> do is trivially easy. >>> >>> It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading >>> comprehension issues. :-\ >>> >>> I never ever said that it was "easy". >>> >>> I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid to come >>> up with such ideas, the scientists in that specific area are. >>> >>> Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY where >>> water is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water is, or >>> believing all life in the universe is the same chemistry / structure >>> / requirements / etc. as life on Earth is stupidly blinkered. >> >> What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for life >> think only water-based life is possible? Or that they wouldn't look >> for other types of life if they could? > > > Why do we look for water when searching for extraterrestrial life? > <https://io9.gizmodo.com/5728932/why-do-we-look-for-water-when-searching-for-extraterrestrial-life> > > > > Why do scientists look for things like water and oxygen when they talk > about life on a different planet? > <https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-look-for-things-like-water-and-oxygen-when-they-talk-about-life-on-a-different-planet> > > > > Jupiter's Icy Moon Europa: Best Bet for Alien Life? > https://www.space.com/26905-jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life.html > > > Why is water vital to life? > https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/water-vital-to-life.htm > > > > The list is near endless. Too bad it's not a list of articles in which the possibility of non-water life actually is ruled out. Did you actually read more than the first paragraph of any of them?
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-03 14:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D7975645570taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491631 |
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:pcfu9l$1pvi$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> On 2018-05-03 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-05-03 16:30:14 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
>>> On 5/2/2018 11:22 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke
>>>>>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
>>>>>>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>>>>>>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one type of environment where life can arise, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its not a rare one. Can you present an argument for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking elsewhere, and suggest what we should look
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We already know about that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help
>>>>>>>>>>>> us understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language
>>>>>>>>>>>> helps one understand one's own language better.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have
>>>>>>>>>>>> chemicals
>>>>>>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen -
>>>>>>>>>>>> carbon dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is, of course, no guarantee of life, but it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that
>>>>>>>>>>> "chemicals are converting back and forth" at
>>>>>>>>>>> interstellar distances?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has
>>>>>>>> been bitching
>>>>>>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why
>>>>>>>> are they only
>>>>>>>> looking for life like us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The
>>>>>>> fact that they
>>>>>>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how
>>>>>> to look for other life with the technology and knowledge we
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't
>>>>> know how to do is trivially easy.
>>>>
>>>> It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading
>>>> comprehension issues. :-\
>>>>
>>>> I never ever said that it was "easy".
>>>>
>>>> I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid
>>>> to come up with such ideas, the scientists in that specific
>>>> area are.
>>>>
>>>> Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY
>>>> where water is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water
>>>> is, or believing all life in the universe is the same
>>>> chemistry / structure / requirements / etc. as life on Earth
>>>> is stupidly blinkered.
>>>
>>> What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for
>>> life think only water-based life is possible? Or that they
>>> wouldn't look for other types of life if they could?
>>
>>
>> Why do we look for water when searching for extraterrestrial
>> life?
>> <https://io9.gizmodo.com/5728932/why-do-we-look-for-water-when-s
>> earching-for-extraterrestrial-life>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do scientists look for things like water and oxygen when
>> they talk about life on a different planet?
>> <https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-look-for-things-like-wa
>> ter-and-oxygen-when-they-talk-about-life-on-a-different-planet>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jupiter's Icy Moon Europa: Best Bet for Alien Life?
>> https://www.space.com/26905-jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life.html
>>
>>
>> Why is water vital to life?
>> https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics
>> /water-vital-to-life.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> The list is near endless.
>
> Too bad it's not a list of articles in which the possibility of
> non-water life actually is ruled out. Did you actually read
> more than the first paragraph of any of them?
>
Not ruled out, but - if you read the entire article - do explain
why water based is far, far more likely to the best of our
knowledge (which is to say, the knowledge of people who actually
know what they're talking about).
We *know* life is possible based on water. And we have some idea
what to look for to detect it.
We have no idea if life is possible based on anything else, and if
it is, we have even less idea what to look for to detect it.
And resources for the search are pretty limited. It'd be idiotic to
expend them looking for something we have no idea how to detect,
instead of something something we *do* know how to detect.
(And we're far more likely to detect the technolgoical signs, like
radio waves, than the chemical side effects of life on a distant
planet, anyway.)
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-04 08:42 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpen41v.mug.newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
| In reply to | #491633 |
On Thu, 03 May 2018 14:52:37 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
| David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
| news:pcfu9l$1pvi$1@gioia.aioe.org:
|> On 2018-05-03 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:
|>>> What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for
|>>> life think only water-based life is possible? Or that they
|>>> wouldn't look for other types of life if they could?
|>>
|>>
|>> Why do we look for water when searching for extraterrestrial
|>> life?
|>> <https://io9.gizmodo.com/5728932/why-do-we-look-for-water-when-s
|>> earching-for-extraterrestrial-life>
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>> Why do scientists look for things like water and oxygen when
|>> they talk about life on a different planet?
|>> <https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-look-for-things-like-wa
|>> ter-and-oxygen-when-they-talk-about-life-on-a-different-planet>
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>> Jupiter's Icy Moon Europa: Best Bet for Alien Life?
|>> https://www.space.com/26905-jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life.html
|>>
|>>
|>> Why is water vital to life?
|>> https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics
|>> /water-vital-to-life.htm
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>> The list is near endless.
|>
|> Too bad it's not a list of articles in which the possibility of
|> non-water life actually is ruled out. Did you actually read
|> more than the first paragraph of any of them?
|>
| Not ruled out, but - if you read the entire article - do explain
| why water based is far, far more likely to the best of our
| knowledge (which is to say, the knowledge of people who actually
| know what they're talking about).
|
| We *know* life is possible based on water. And we have some idea
| what to look for to detect it.
|
| We have no idea if life is possible based on anything else, and if
| it is, we have even less idea what to look for to detect it.
|
| And resources for the search are pretty limited. It'd be idiotic to
| expend them looking for something we have no idea how to detect,
| instead of something something we *do* know how to detect.
And besides, the actual observations (i.e. record the spectrum of light
from a planet) don't just throw away the non-water signals. The focus on
water-based stuff happens during the data analysis, and once we get a
clear idea of what to look for, all the old data can be re-analysed to
see if it has the new signatures in it.
| (And we're far more likely to detect the technolgoical signs, like
| radio waves, than the chemical side effects of life on a distant
| planet, anyway.)
|
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-03 21:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ddednT6ctdNsXXbHnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491630 |
On 2018-05-03, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that > life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, ... you DO know what the first three components of all three newsgroups you continue to crosspost this thread to without ever snipping anything out of your replies ARE, don't you? And that people with actual science DEGREES, who have some familiarity with how science and scientists actually work and what types of research grant might be available, read and post here? Because I think YOU think you're posting to folks who don't know anything about science or scientists and therefore won't call you on your bald and incorrect assertions, unsupported, of how scientists are handling the search for alien life. Hint: you're not. You're talking with people who can actually read through what's at the links you're posting and understand them; you might give it a try. Dave, another hint: the populations "scientists" and "sf readers" are NOT disjoint, and never have been ps: the above also contains examples of how to be informative while still being condescending. you need some work on that, too. -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-03 20:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rulned13r9og5qr7p74bcn7gfk6gndg8q3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #491655 |
On Thu, 03 May 2018 21:09:53 -0500, David DeLaney
<daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On 2018-05-03, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that
>> life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water,
>
>... you DO know what the first three components of all three newsgroups you
>continue to crosspost this thread to without ever snipping anything out of your
>replies ARE, don't you? And that people with actual science DEGREES, who have
>some familiarity with how science and scientists actually work and what types
>of research grant might be available, read and post here?
>
>Because I think YOU think you're posting to folks who don't know anything about
>science or scientists and therefore won't call you on your bald and incorrect
>assertions, unsupported, of how scientists are handling the search for alien
>life. Hint: you're not.
>
>You're talking with people who can actually read through what's at the links
>you're posting and understand them; you might give it a try.
>
>Dave, another hint: the populations "scientists" and "sf readers" are NOT
> disjoint, and never have been
AIUI, it had to do with how U.S Robotics (the real world company)
got its name.
>ps: the above also contains examples of how to be informative while still being
> condescending. you need some work on that, too.
Nice swat, Mr. DeLaney.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-04 18:05 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pcgt7b$12o9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491655 |
On 2018-05-04 02:09:53 +0000, David DeLaney said: > On 2018-05-03, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >> It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that >> life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, > > ... you DO know what the first three components of all three newsgroups you > continue to crosspost this thread to without ever snipping anything out of your > replies ARE, don't you? And that people with actual science DEGREES, who have > some familiarity with how science and scientists actually work and what types > of research grant might be available, read and post here? > > Because I think YOU think you're posting to folks who don't know anything about > science or scientists and therefore won't call you on your bald and incorrect > assertions, unsupported, of how scientists are handling the search for alien > life. Hint: you're not. > > You're talking with people who can actually read through what's at the links > you're posting and understand them; you might give it a try. > > Dave, another hint: the populations "scientists" and "sf readers" are NOT > disjoint, and never have been > > ps: the above also contains examples of how to be informative while still being > condescending. you need some work on that, too. None of that garbage you spouted remotely changes the FACT that I posted - looking for life only where there is water *is* blinkered. Of course, actually reading what I had posted would be difficult since almost nobody on the internet has reading comprehension skills. :-\
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| From | Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-04 06:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <042f7384-32bc-41a0-88c6-dbc24a881f91@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491680 |
On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 2:05:35 AM UTC-4, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-05-04 02:09:53 +0000, David DeLaney said: > > On 2018-05-03, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> > >> It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that > >> life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, > > > > ... you DO know what the first three components of all three newsgroups you > > continue to crosspost this thread to without ever snipping anything out of your > > replies ARE, don't you? And that people with actual science DEGREES, who have > > some familiarity with how science and scientists actually work and what types > > of research grant might be available, read and post here? > > > > Because I think YOU think you're posting to folks who don't know anything about > > science or scientists and therefore won't call you on your bald and incorrect > > assertions, unsupported, of how scientists are handling the search for alien > > life. Hint: you're not. > > > > You're talking with people who can actually read through what's at the links > > you're posting and understand them; you might give it a try. > > > > Dave, another hint: the populations "scientists" and "sf readers" are NOT > > disjoint, and never have been > > > > ps: the above also contains examples of how to be informative while still being > > condescending. you need some work on that, too. > > None of that garbage you spouted remotely changes the FACT that I > posted - looking for life only where there is water *is* blinkered. Of > course, actually reading what I had posted would be difficult since > almost nobody on the internet has reading comprehension skills. :-\ People have explained to you, repeatedly, why with limited resources its best to look in the most likely places. That doesn't say that there can't be life in non-aqueous environments, but with a very limited budget, water is the place to look, since we *know* it possible there. Your arguments haven't been misinterpreted. They've been heard, and rejected, and the reasons explained. pt
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-05-04 22:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ldWdnctd7IktgnDHnZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491680 |
On 2018-05-04, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2018-05-04 02:09:53 +0000, David DeLaney said: >> On 2018-05-03, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that >>> life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, >> >> ... you DO know what the first three components of all three newsgroups you >> continue to crosspost this thread to without ever snipping anything out of your >> replies ARE, don't you? And that people with actual science DEGREES, who have >> some familiarity with how science and scientists actually work and what types >> of research grant might be available, read and post here? >> >> Because I think YOU think you're posting to folks who don't know anything about >> science or scientists and therefore won't call you on your bald and incorrect >> assertions, unsupported, of how scientists are handling the search for alien >> life. Hint: you're not. >> >> You're talking with people who can actually read through what's at the links >> you're posting and understand them; you might give it a try. >> >> Dave, another hint: the populations "scientists" and "sf readers" are NOT >> disjoint, and never have been >> >> ps: the above also contains examples of how to be informative while still being >> condescending. you need some work on that, too. > > None of that garbage you spouted ... so you did not read it for comprehension, got it. Only for "does it agree with me?". That's not scientific, that's conspiracy-theory. > remotely changes the FACT that I > posted - looking for life only where there is water *is* blinkered. That is most certainly a fact. I wholeheartedly agree with it. So do most here. Trying to connect this particular fact with real-world practices of actual scientists, though? Your attempts have proved remarkably fact-free, and dependent mostly on repeated assertion that this must be what's happening, with very little supporting evidence at the links you've posted. Do you see the vast difference here? Dave, not snipping because apparently you need the entire history of the conversation IN THE SAME POST or else it falls out of your memory buffer -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2018-05-04 06:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pcgte0$rt0$1@newsreader5.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #491630 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: > > It's not just water of course, they're stuck on the blinkered idea that > life elsewhere must be like life on Earth, so to them that means water, So, again: What alternate solvent do you propose? Please note it should be thermodynamically stable, available (under reasonable conditions) in large quantities and sufficient purity. Of course, it should also permit the sort of hydrophilic/hydrophobic interactions (or, for a non-polar solvent, lipophilic/lipophobic) that make water such a good candidate for life. Please show that you have at least a miniscule fraciton of a clue what you are actually talking about when accusing scientists of being lazy.
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