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| Subject | Re: Life on Europa in scifi? |
| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
| References | <pbucl6$2ar$1@newsreader5.netcologne.de> <pce9qp$v18$1@gioia.aioe.org> <pcfdej$kn5$3@dont-email.me> <pcfter$1on2$1@gioia.aioe.org> <pcfu9l$1pvi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D7975645570taustingmail@69.16.179.43> (permalink) |
| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2018-05-03 14:52 -0700 |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:pcfu9l$1pvi$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> On 2018-05-03 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-05-03 16:30:14 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
>>> On 5/2/2018 11:22 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-05-02 23:16:37 +0000, J. Clarke said:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 May 2018 07:45:32 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:21 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-05-01 22:30:24 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:18 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:88bhed578t3ec2ujs5ajnsgdk85tabsr48@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:48:49 -0400, J. Clarke
>>>>>>>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
>>>>>>>>>>> <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>>>>>>>>>>>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have limited resources for searching. We do know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one type of environment where life can arise, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its not a rare one. Can you present an argument for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking elsewhere, and suggest what we should look
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We already know about that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help
>>>>>>>>>>>> us understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> our case. (Just as knowing more than one language
>>>>>>>>>>>> helps one understand one's own language better.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One idea of mine is to look for systems that have
>>>>>>>>>>>> chemicals
>>>>>>>>>>>> converting back and forth. (As with the oxygen -
>>>>>>>>>>>> carbon dioxide cycle in Earth's biosphere.) This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is, of course, no guarantee of life, but it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know of a method that will let us tell that
>>>>>>>>>>> "chemicals are converting back and forth" at
>>>>>>>>>>> interstellar distances?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course not. I am no expert in the area.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet, you criticize those who are for doing it wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you are conflating Gene with 'Your Name' who has
>>>>>>>> been bitching
>>>>>>>> about scientists spending money on stupid things and why
>>>>>>>> are they only
>>>>>>>> looking for life like us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's what some scientists are paid to do ... I'm not. The
>>>>>>> fact that they
>>>>>>> lazily take the easiest route isn't my fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you still haven't made ANY kind of suggestion for how
>>>>>> to look for other life with the technology and knowledge we
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's one of those idiots to whom any job that they don't
>>>>> know how to do is trivially easy.
>>>>
>>>> It's amazing how many morons on the internet have reading
>>>> comprehension issues. :-\
>>>>
>>>> I never ever said that it was "easy".
>>>>
>>>> I never ever said I know how to do it ... I'm not being paid
>>>> to come up with such ideas, the scientists in that specific
>>>> area are.
>>>>
>>>> Simply a plain and simple *fact* that looking for life ONLY
>>>> where water is, or thinking life can ONLY exist where water
>>>> is, or believing all life in the universe is the same
>>>> chemistry / structure / requirements / etc. as life on Earth
>>>> is stupidly blinkered.
>>>
>>> What makes you think all scientists involved in the search for
>>> life think only water-based life is possible? Or that they
>>> wouldn't look for other types of life if they could?
>>
>>
>> Why do we look for water when searching for extraterrestrial
>> life?
>> <https://io9.gizmodo.com/5728932/why-do-we-look-for-water-when-s
>> earching-for-extraterrestrial-life>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do scientists look for things like water and oxygen when
>> they talk about life on a different planet?
>> <https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-look-for-things-like-wa
>> ter-and-oxygen-when-they-talk-about-life-on-a-different-planet>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jupiter's Icy Moon Europa: Best Bet for Alien Life?
>> https://www.space.com/26905-jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life.html
>>
>>
>> Why is water vital to life?
>> https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics
>> /water-vital-to-life.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> The list is near endless.
>
> Too bad it's not a list of articles in which the possibility of
> non-water life actually is ruled out. Did you actually read
> more than the first paragraph of any of them?
>
Not ruled out, but - if you read the entire article - do explain
why water based is far, far more likely to the best of our
knowledge (which is to say, the knowledge of people who actually
know what they're talking about).
We *know* life is possible based on water. And we have some idea
what to look for to detect it.
We have no idea if life is possible based on anything else, and if
it is, we have even less idea what to look for to detect it.
And resources for the search are pretty limited. It'd be idiotic to
expend them looking for something we have no idea how to detect,
instead of something something we *do* know how to detect.
(And we're far more likely to detect the technolgoical signs, like
radio waves, than the chemical side effects of life on a distant
planet, anyway.)
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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