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Re: Debian sever ties with Google?

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Hi

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 01:46:57PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 1/31/25 03:59, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > Yet, Google has for a long time closely collaborated with the United
> > States Government, specifically with the Defense and Intellence arms.

They provide services to whoever wants to pay for it, like almost any
other organization.  Limited by the laws they have to abide to.

> > I am calling for those responsible for the Debian Partners Program to
> > immediately discontinue the partner relationship with Google and then
> > for those responsible for managing the various Google-integrated and
> > Google-hosted Debian services to being the process of divestiture.

What would that mean?  Please list, from your perspective, all the
different parts this affects.

But why stop with Google?

OSU, home of OSUOSL and with it Debian infrastructure?  Takes money from
the DoD.  Brown University, home of ftp-master.debian.org?  Takes money
from the DoD.  At least in the USA this is quite common for universities
to have ties with them.

> I largely agree that we should reduce our use of sponsored hosting space in
> general, and Google (non-free) cloud platform specifically.
> To do this, Debian would need to run its own cloud platform as a
> replacement. I've been advocating for it, and volunteered to maintain an
> OpenStack cloud deployment for Debian own use.

Could you please estimate the required funds to do that?  Aka hardware
and hosting paid full?  At SPI we had around 50kUSD per year of
donations over the last years.  I can't imagine this is even remotely
enough to do that all in a sustainable manner.

Also, please list the people that would be capable to running an
OpenStack of sufficient quality for our use.  You alone are far from
enough.

Bastian

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Debian sever ties with Google? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 04:10 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Andrew Pollock <apollock@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 06:30 +0100
    Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 15:20 +0100
    Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 21:30 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Iustin Pop <iustin@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 23:00 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2025-01-31 23:00 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 23:00 +0100
        Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-02-01 20:30 +0100
          Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 23:00 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? dovencio.doshorte@gmail.com - 2025-02-01 14:20 +0100
        Re: Debian sever ties with Google? "Jeffrey Anthony Serio" <hyperreal@moonshadow.dev> - 2025-02-01 17:50 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 23:00 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-01-31 15:40 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 20:30 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 20:30 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-02-02 14:10 +0100
  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2025-02-06 12:50 +0100
    Re: Debian sever ties with Google? thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-02-06 16:40 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Satvik Sinha <sinhasatvik214@gmail.com> - 2025-02-06 18:10 +0100
        Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-02-06 18:50 +0100
          Re: Debian sever ties with Google? "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 02:00 +0100
            Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-07 03:00 +0100
              Re: Debian sever ties with Google? "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 03:30 +0100
                Re: Debian sever ties with Google? dovencio.doshorte@gmail.com - 2025-02-07 08:50 +0100
                Re: Debian sever ties with Google? "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 12:00 +0100
                Re: Debian sever ties with Google? dovencio.doshorte@gmail.com - 2025-02-08 08:20 +0100
                Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-07 08:50 +0100
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