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Re: Debian sever ties with Google?

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 02:25:19PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
>    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 at 13:08, Roberto C. Sánchez <[1]roberto@debian.org>
>    wrote:
> 
>      Since we as a project have left Twitter/X (as recently announced by our
>      Publicity Team) on the basis of "We do not want to be present in a place
>      where we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse
>      happens without consequences" [0] [1], I would like start a discussion
>      about how we as a project can promptly sever ties with Google.
> 
>    Full disclosure: I am currently employed by Google, and do not speak for
>    the company.
>    DFSG #6 discusses not discriminating against fields of endeavour.
>    I can see the project wishing to cut ties with a social media platform
>    that is unable to ensure a minimum level of civil discourse. I'm not
>    seeing how this is even remotely equivalent to disengaging from a
>    corporate sponsor because of their commercial practices?
>    regards
>    Andrew
> 
The formula I am applying here is directly:

"We do not want to be present in a place where we cannot ensure that
users will be respected and where abuse happens without consequences."

"We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [on Twitter/X] where
we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse happens
[causing certain people to feel unsafe] without consequences
[moderation/banning]."

It seems quite natural, then, that this follows:

"We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [Google Cloud Platform
and other Google services] where we cannot ensure that users will be
respected and where abuse happens [directly assisting the US government
to prepare and execute missions that result in unconscionable civilian
casualties] without consequences [legal reprecussions]."

If the former results in leaving a social media platform, then the
latter should result in at least the same (leaving the platform and
services) and, I would argue, also calls for terminating the sponsor
relationship. To do otherwise would be to tacitly endorse things that
are objectively far worse than things we have *already* publicly stated
as a project we find reprehensible.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Andrew Pollock <apollock@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 06:30 +0100
    Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 15:20 +0100
    Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2025-01-31 21:30 +0100
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          Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 23:00 +0100
      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? dovencio.doshorte@gmail.com - 2025-02-01 14:20 +0100
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      Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@debian.org> - 2025-02-01 23:00 +0100
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  Re: Debian sever ties with Google? Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-02-02 14:10 +0100
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