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Re: Triumph of the Nerds

From Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups de.alt.folklore.computer
Subject Re: Triumph of the Nerds
Date 2024-05-09 12:18 +0200
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poc@pocnet.net, 2024-05-06 23:01:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
[...]
>> jedenfalls keine, die nicht erhblich viel mehr Aufwand gemacht hätte. Heute
>> ist ODBC aber vielfach schlicht nicht mehr notwendig, weil die
>> Client-Bibliotheken für Datenbanken in etlichen Programmiersprachen mit
>> geringem Aufwand nutzbar sind.
> 
> Mir ist keine Bibiothek unter Linux bekannt, die nativ mit DB2/UDB (IBM i)
> über's Netzwerk spricht. Möglich dass es Bibliotheken unter Linux für MS SQL

Wenn es die nicht gibt, dann gibt es auch kein ODBC dafür. Denn ODBC
spricht nicht selbst mit DB2 sondern nur mit der dafür vorgesehenen
Bibliothek.

Siehe hier ab Seite 11, da wird die Installation der Client-Bibliotheken
beschrieben, wo die Nutzung mit ODBC nur eine von mehreren Optionen ist:

<https://public.dhe.ibm.com/ps/products/db2/info/vr105/pdf/en_US/DB2InstallingClients-db2ite1051.pdf>

> gibt. ODBC ist für mich eine passende Lösung, weil genau dafür definiert: Eine
> lokale API zum "genormten" (im Rahmen der SQL-Dialekte) Ansprechen von
> verschiedenen Datenbanken, lokal oder über's Netzwerk, wobei das Protokoll
> über's Netzwerk wiederum datenbankabhängig ist und nicht Bestandteil der
> ODBC-Definition. Das ist das Einzige was mich an ODBC ein kleines bisschen
> stört.

Das Protokoll über's Netzwerk ist bei jeder Datenbank anders. Daran
ändert auch ODBC nichts.

Die Struktur ist immer so:

Anwendunge ---> ODBC ---> DB-Client ---> Netzwerk ---> Datenbank

Und "DB-Client" ist immer vorhanden, egal, ob die Anwendung ODBC nutzt,
um mit dem DB-Client zu reden oder nicht.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-06 09:37 +0200
  Re: Triumph of the Nerds Michael Pachta <mipani@gmx.de> - 2024-04-06 10:06 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-06 11:37 +0200
  Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-04-06 11:14 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-06 11:39 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-04-08 12:27 +0200
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-08 13:33 +0200
  Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-17 17:33 +0000
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2024-04-18 08:46 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-04-18 19:41 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-04-19 18:44 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-04-20 22:34 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-21 17:18 +0200
  Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-04-24 07:41 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-04-24 08:49 +0000
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-04-24 11:38 +0200
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2024-04-24 16:28 +0200
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-04-24 18:55 +0000
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-24 20:53 +0000
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-04-30 13:33 +0200
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:11 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:15 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-05-02 18:49 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-02 21:14 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-02 21:16 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-03 07:46 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-03 20:21 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-03 22:03 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-04 07:14 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2024-05-04 09:37 +0200
                C (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-04 11:23 +0200
                Re: C Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-04 13:17 +0200
                Re: C Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2024-05-04 14:47 +0200
                Re: C Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:43 +0200
                Re: C Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-06 09:41 +0200
                Re: C "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 02:08 +0200
                Re: C Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:41 +0200
                Re: C Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-05-05 16:02 +0000
                Re: C Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-05-05 23:47 +0000
                Re: C "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 19:55 +0200
                Re: C Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-06 09:50 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 11:26 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-04 10:01 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-04 12:19 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:47 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-04 13:20 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-04 09:09 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 11:23 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-05 10:16 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:18 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-06 18:41 +0200
                Pascal (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-06 19:55 +0200
                Re: Pascal Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 06:40 +0200
                Re: Pascal "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-07 07:48 +0200
                Re: Pascal Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 08:26 +0200
                Re: Pascal Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 13:04 +0200
                Re: Pascal Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 14:57 +0200
                Re: Pascal Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 13:11 +0000
                Re: Pascal Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 13:55 +0000
                Re: Pascal "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-08 21:33 +0200
                Re: Pascal Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 07:42 +0000
                Re: Pascal Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 12:09 +0200
                Re: Pascal Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 12:37 +0200
                Re: Pascal Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 12:42 +0200
                Re: Pascal Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2024-05-12 11:36 +0200
                Re: Pascal Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-12 13:42 +0000
                Re: Pascal Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2024-05-12 19:19 +0200
                Re: Pascal Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> - 2024-05-12 21:39 +0000
                Re: Pascal "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-09 16:09 +0200
                Re: Pascal Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 17:49 +0200
                Re: Pascal Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-12 20:56 +0200
                Re: Pascal Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-12 19:46 +0000
                Re: Pascal Peter Müller <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 22:00 +0200
                Re: Pascal Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-07 18:16 +0200
                Re: Pascal "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-08 20:20 +0200
                Re: Pascal Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-12 21:13 +0200
                Re: Pascal Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-13 10:39 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 09:20 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-07 18:03 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-08 04:13 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 12:01 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-05-13 01:54 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-13 10:51 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-13 13:45 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-13 14:04 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-13 17:23 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-05 11:22 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 15:57 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-05 18:30 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 21:54 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 13:04 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-06 11:45 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-06 20:53 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 08:42 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 21:56 +0000
                Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-08 21:06 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen (was: Triumph of the Nerds) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 07:31 +0000
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 10:12 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 13:03 +0000
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 16:03 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-09 16:57 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 17:36 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 18:52 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-10 03:49 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-09 19:22 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-10 04:07 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 17:00 +0000
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-09 20:25 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 20:55 +0000
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-09 23:53 +0200
                Re: Accidental Complexity von Programmiersprachen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-10 04:26 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-08 20:53 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-08 20:09 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 12:50 +0200
                Yoda expressions (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-06 19:39 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-06 14:16 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-06 19:04 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:28 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-05 18:33 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 13:09 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-06 21:01 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-08 20:01 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-08 20:15 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 12:18 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-09 16:36 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 16:37 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 19:51 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2024-05-06 07:41 +0000
                C (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-06 19:13 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-06 09:58 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 10:34 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-06 14:00 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-05 19:57 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-06 12:06 +0000
                C (was: Triumph of the Nerds) "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-06 19:29 +0200
                Re: C Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 06:49 +0200
                Re: C Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 06:30 +0000
                Re: C Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 09:42 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-06 18:55 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-06 21:03 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 06:32 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 09:44 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 08:26 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-07 18:13 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Klix <wotokl@web.de> - 2024-05-07 21:50 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 21:49 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 22:16 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 22:10 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-08 08:40 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-08 14:19 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-08 15:14 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 18:16 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-08 17:30 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 12:20 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 12:19 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-09 17:52 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-09 16:43 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-09 16:48 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-09 16:40 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-09 14:26 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-09 16:38 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2024-05-12 21:09 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-02 19:46 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-05-02 18:44 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-03 22:09 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2024-05-06 12:58 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-06 15:07 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-06 21:06 +0000
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-04-30 17:40 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-01 07:17 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-01 09:10 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:40 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-01 12:18 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 20:44 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-02 07:31 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 05:54 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-03 09:25 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-03 08:35 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-03 11:20 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-03 22:13 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-03 21:14 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-06 07:48 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-03 22:12 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-05-06 07:49 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Markus Elsken <markus.elsken@ewetel.net> - 2024-05-06 23:53 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-07 06:34 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Markus Elsken <markus.elsken@ewetel.net> - 2024-05-07 22:48 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-05-08 06:35 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Markus Elsken <markus.elsken@ewetel.net> - 2024-05-09 15:37 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-05-09 22:53 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Markus Elsken <markus.elsken@ewetel.net> - 2024-05-10 01:05 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 16:09 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-02 19:31 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:07 +0000
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-24 09:08 +0000
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds "F. W." <me@home.invalid> - 2024-04-24 11:40 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-24 17:31 +0200
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-24 20:57 +0000
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-25 10:04 +0200
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-25 08:59 +0000
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-04-25 11:52 +0000
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds Gerald E¡scher <Spamer@fahr-zur-Hoelle.org> - 2024-04-25 14:47 +0000
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-25 18:59 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-26 15:38 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-07 07:13 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Gerald E¡scher <Spamer@fahr-zur-Hoelle.org> - 2024-04-26 13:04 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-05-15 19:45 +0200
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-27 10:42 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 13:18 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:25 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 14:40 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-05-02 19:01 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 20:18 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-05-03 22:46 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 02:02 +0000
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-04-28 01:40 +0200
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-29 06:26 +0200
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-29 16:11 +0000
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-30 11:32 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-04-30 11:13 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:33 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Klix <wotokl@web.de> - 2024-04-30 16:30 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Klix <wotokl@web.de> - 2024-04-30 16:46 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-05-02 19:16 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2024-05-06 13:07 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-06 16:03 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2024-05-06 18:10 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Klix <wotokl@web.de> - 2024-05-06 21:53 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-06 21:08 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2024-05-07 06:59 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 08:28 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 16:10 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-07 22:15 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2024-05-08 08:42 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2024-05-07 16:51 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-07 17:42 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2024-04-30 15:10 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-04-30 19:08 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-01 08:15 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:49 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:46 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:34 +0000
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-04-30 18:34 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds poc@pocnet.net - 2024-05-01 11:50 +0000
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-04-24 16:59 +0200
    Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Chr. Maercker" <Zweistein@gmx-topmail.de> - 2024-04-28 19:35 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2024-04-28 20:24 +0000
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Chr. Maercker" <Zweistein@gmx-topmail.de> - 2024-04-28 23:26 +0200
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:43 +0000
            Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Chr. Maercker" <Zweistein@gmx-topmail.de> - 2024-05-02 20:07 +0200
              Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-02 20:48 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Chr. Maercker" <Zweistein@gmx-topmail.de> - 2024-05-03 23:15 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2024-05-04 10:00 +0200
                Re: Triumph of the Nerds "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2024-05-04 11:33 +0200
          Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-05-15 15:14 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-04-29 13:21 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-04-30 07:33 +0200
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-04-30 17:55 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2024-04-30 13:54 +0000
        Re: Triumph of the Nerds Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-04-30 22:57 +0200
      Re: Triumph of the Nerds Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2024-05-15 15:32 +0200

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