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| From | Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | de.alt.folklore.computer |
| Subject | Re: What's left of Usenet is here |
| Date | 2025-10-11 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7t68ea838ei35093bn3e8%sfroehli@Froehlich.Priv.at> (permalink) |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 11:49:26 Michael Kraemer wrote: > On 10.10.2025 20:12, Sebastian Barthel wrote: >> Vom Lesch gibt es ein sehr schönes Video (YT), warum >> interstellares Reisen auch später nicht gehen wird. Aber ... mal >> Abwarten, wer weiß was geht in 500 Jahren ... > Ebend. Mit solchen Vorhersagen sollte man vorsichtig sein. Als > der TV-Prof noch Heinz Haber hiess tätigte er die Aussage, dass > man Exoplaneten nie wird nachweisen können, weil der Zentralstern > sie überstrahlt. Inzwischen werden sie routinemässig entdeckt und > sogar ihre Eigenschaften vermessen. Bessere Messmethoden sind - im Rahmen der absoluten Grenzen, die die Physik setzt - immer im Bereich des Möglichen. Für interestellare Reisen bräuchten wir aber nicht bessere Messmethoden oder neue Techniken, sondern eine neue, grundlegende Theorie. Das ist eine andere Größenordnung. Erinnert mich an die Leute, die im Modem-Zeitalter postulierten, dass die Shannon-Grenze binnen weniger Jahre fallen wäre, weil sich die Technik ja immer weiterentwickelt hätte. Ja, eh. Die Theorie war hier nicht zu ändern, sehr wohl aber die Bandbreite der Leitungen. Interestellare Raumfahrt mit Menschen, die eine Lebenserwartung von einigen Jahrtausenden haben? Das wäre denkbar, wiewohl ich es momentan für wahrscheinlicher halte, dass die Lebenserwartung unserer Zivilisation keine Jahrtausende mehr beträgt. Machen wir uns über Raumfahrt doch am besten wieder Gedanken, wenn wir die irdischen Probleme gelöst haben... Servus, Stefan -- http://kontaktinser.at/ - die kostenlose Kontaktboerse fuer Oesterreich Offizieller Erstbesucher(TM) von mmeike Stefan - deiner ruht pazifistischer geschweige denn pampischer. (Sloganizer)
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-04 16:34 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-04 17:20 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 03:55 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Başar Alabay <alabay@gmx.net> - 2025-10-05 15:01 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-06 13:59 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:31 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2025-10-06 18:41 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:50 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-06 17:03 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:45 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-10-07 09:40 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-07 08:36 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:44 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-07 10:16 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-09 09:54 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-07 21:03 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:11 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-07 09:26 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-19 19:46 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-20 10:22 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-20 09:35 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:22 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-15 11:49 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2026-06-15 14:44 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2026-06-15 20:27 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-16 08:07 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2026-06-16 18:48 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:21 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 21:08 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-13 18:44 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 20:49 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-11-13 13:26 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-05 11:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-06 19:37 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-07 21:09 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:13 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 07:50 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-08 14:30 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-08 18:56 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-08 19:26 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:53 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-11-01 13:20 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-11-01 14:53 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0100
Re: sf (was: What's left of Usenet is here ) Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:16 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-09 05:25 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-09 13:42 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-09 20:02 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 07:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Harold Winter <SJJADEWRWQAX@spammotel.com> - 2025-10-10 09:15 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 13:08 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-10 19:27 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:20 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 09:41 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:27 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 12:04 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:29 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:38 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:50 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:52 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:53 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-11 15:08 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:21 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:27 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:42 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2025-10-12 18:15 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-13 12:19 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 13:38 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:12 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:49 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-11 14:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 14:14 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 16:23 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 17:24 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 18:13 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 15:06 +0000
Nukleare Salzwasserraketen und Generationenschiffe (was: What's left of Usenet is here) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-12 16:21 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 18:26 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:05 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 20:37 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Frank Nitzschner <nospam@nitzschner.de> - 2025-10-13 07:20 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-13 14:29 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:33 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:47 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 19:13 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-13 17:42 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 18:11 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 20:17 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 19:47 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:09 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-10 08:34 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 06:40 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:45 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:37 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-05 11:39 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:02 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 12:15 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-05 21:29 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-06 04:54 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-06 05:08 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 12:20 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 12:53 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:10 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:25 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:30 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-09 07:21 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-09 10:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-04 18:57 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Bernd Laengerich <Bernd.Laengerich@web.de> - 2025-10-13 18:52 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-14 10:20 +0200
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