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Re: What's left of Usenet is here

From	Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de>
Newsgroups	de.alt.folklore.computer
Subject	Re: What's left of Usenet is here
Date	2025-10-09 20:02 +0000
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Am Thu, 09 Oct 2025 13:42:16 +0200 schrieb Michael Kraemer:

> On 08.10.2025 16:30, Sebastian Barthel wrote:
> 
>> Och. Da liest Du nur die falschen Sachen. Was ich eher schlimm finde,
>> daß es immer (oft) so schwarz-düster daherkommt. Das macht dann keine
>> Freude aufs Kommende und reduziert letztlich auch die Leserschaft.
> 
> Das ist wohl wahr.
> Wer Nachrichten hört/schaut, der braucht eigentlich keine Dystopien
> mehr.
> 
>> Die Hochzeit der SciFi dürfte aber eher so ab Mitte der 1920er und dann
>> nochmal so 1960 bis 1980 gewesen sein.
> 
> Lass es 1950 bis 1970 sein.
> Das war die Zeit, in der Raumfahrt und Nuklearwissenschaft hip waren.

OK. Gern auch so.

SF muß ja nicht nur "Weltraum" sein. Da kommt schon auch später noch 
bißchen was dazu, aber das war wohl nicht so massiv viel.

> Danach bröselte der Optimus weg.

Das(!) ist irgendwie wirklich was Eigenartiges. Und wird durch Drachen 
und Prinzessinnen und Wintergeschichten nicht wirklich besser.

Passend dazu gab es gerade heute auch einen Literaturnobelpreis für einen 
kompletten Schwarzseher.

> Noch in den 1980ern zB gab es Regalmeter von Heyne-TB,
> übersetzter US-SF aus den 60ern.
> Alles weg, statt dessen nur noch Fantasy-Schrott.

Jep, "Winter is Coming" und "Eragon" und "Die Bücher der dreifaltigen 
Stille" (oder wie die heißen) und ...

In der kleinen Buchhandlung in der ich immer mal bin (allerdings 
mittlerweile auch eine Thalia) sind das ca 5 Regale Belletristik und dazu 
2 Regale Krimis / Thrillers und 3 Regale Drachen-Fantasy.

> Sagas wie Star Wars sind auch keine SF (viel Fiction, keine Science,
> dafür "Prinzessinnen" :-)
> sondern eher Fantasy.

Na ja, StarWars war anfangs wohl eher als so eine Art Witz gedacht - und 
die Leute haben diesen Film halt geliebt. Ist dann ein Selbstläufer 
geworden und mittlerweile zum Mediengigantismus verkommen.

> Kann auch sein, dass typische SF-Themen einfach auserzählt sind.

Das glaub ich nicht ! Und es gibt sie ja auch noch. Aber die laufen schon 
eine Weile nicht mehr im "Mainstream" ab.

Vielleicht haben die Leser es auch einfach nur satt, Geschichten über 
eine zusammenfantasierte potentielle Zukunft zu hören. Und wenden sich 
jetzt halt der zusammenfantasierten potentiellen Vergangenheit zu. 
(Drachen, Ritter, Edelfräuleins ... garniert mit Schneemonstern, Vikingern 
und Untoten ; und das immer gleich in allen Darreichungsformen (Buch, 
Film, Serie, Game))

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Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-04 16:34 +0200
  Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-04 17:20 +0000
    Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 03:55 +0000
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here Başar Alabay <alabay@gmx.net> - 2025-10-05 15:01 +0000
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-06 13:59 +0200
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:31 +0200
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2025-10-06 18:41 +0200
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:50 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-06 17:03 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:45 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-10-07 09:40 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-07 08:36 +0000
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:44 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-07 10:16 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-09 09:54 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-07 21:03 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:11 +0200
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-19 19:46 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-20 10:22 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-20 09:35 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:22 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-15 11:49 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2026-06-15 14:44 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2026-06-15 20:27 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-16 08:07 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2026-06-16 18:48 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:21 +0100
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 21:08 +0100
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-13 18:44 +0100
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 20:49 +0100
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-11-13 13:26 +0100
    Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-05 11:00 +0200
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-06 19:37 +0000
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-07 21:09 +0200
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:13 +0200
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 07:50 +0200
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-08 14:30 +0000
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-08 18:56 +0000
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-08 19:26 +0000
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:53 +0200
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-11-01 13:20 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-11-01 14:53 +0100
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0100
            Re: sf (was: What's left of Usenet is here ) Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:51 +0200
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:16 +0200
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-09 05:25 +0200
            Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-09 13:42 +0200
              Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-09 20:02 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 07:51 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Harold Winter <SJJADEWRWQAX@spammotel.com> - 2025-10-10 09:15 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 13:08 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-10 19:27 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:20 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 09:41 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:27 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 12:04 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:29 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:38 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:50 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:51 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:52 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:53 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-11 15:08 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:21 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:27 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:42 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2025-10-12 18:15 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-13 12:19 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 13:38 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:12 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:49 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-11 14:00 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 14:14 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 16:23 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 17:24 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 18:13 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 15:06 +0000
                Nukleare Salzwasserraketen und Generationenschiffe (was: What's left of Usenet is here) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-12 16:21 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 18:26 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:05 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 20:37 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Frank Nitzschner <nospam@nitzschner.de> - 2025-10-13 07:20 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-13 14:29 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:33 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:47 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 19:13 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-13 17:42 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 18:11 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 19:47 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:09 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-10 08:34 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 06:40 +0000
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:45 +0200
                Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:37 +0200
    Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-05 11:39 +0200
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:02 +0000
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 12:15 +0200
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-05 21:29 +0000
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-06 04:54 +0000
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-06 05:08 +0000
    Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 12:20 +0200
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 12:53 +0000
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:10 +0200
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:25 +0200
      Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:51 +0200
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
          Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:30 +0200
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-09 07:21 +0000
        Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-09 10:00 +0200
  Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-04 18:57 +0000
  Re: What's left of Usenet is here Bernd Laengerich <Bernd.Laengerich@web.de> - 2025-10-13 18:52 +0200
    Re: What's left of Usenet is here Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-14 10:20 +0200

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