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| From | Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> |
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| Newsgroups | de.alt.folklore.computer |
| Subject | Re: What's left of Usenet is here |
| Date | 2025-10-12 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cgril$ugvt$2@solani.org> (permalink) |
| References | (12 earlier) <1rk05pb.16sb8sy1kmhzy5N@ID-7682.user.dfncis.de> <mkuodsF8btdU1@mid.individual.net> <Geschlechter-20251011122156@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <10cdrt3$sb7p$1@solani.org> <Retina-20251011162022@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |
Am Sat, 11 Oct 2025 15:21:11 +0000 schrieb Stefan Ram: > Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> schrieb oder zitierte: >>In Tech-Stories weitergedacht, ist das Thema aber sowieso spannend. Ich >>bin mir auch ziemlich sicher, daß, wenn es erstmal die Augen mit dem >>verbesserten Sehen (Wellenlängen, Empfindlichkeit, Nachtsehen) gibt und >>v.a. (daran scheitert es ja bisher massiv) diese auch an den Nervus >>opticus adaptierbar sind und da "anwachsen", es auch - auf dieser weiten >>und leicht schrägen Welt, wie sie nunmal aktuell ist - Leute geben wird, >>die sich sowas einbauen lassen werden. > > Heise berichtete Anfang Dezember 2021: > > |Einem niederländisch-spanischen Forschungsteam ist es |gelungen, durch > gezielte Stimulierung des Gehirns visuelle |Wahrnehmungen konkreter > Muster wie Buchstaben auszulösen. > . . . > |Bei der von Pieter R. Roelfsema (Netherlands Institute for > |Neuroscience) geleiteten Studie, die in der aktuellen Ausgabe |des > Wissenschaftsmagazins Science vorgestellt wird, kam nun |erstmals ein > Chip mit 1024 Elektroden zum Einsatz, mit denen |eine Art Pixelmatrix > erzeugt werden kann. > > . Das war wohl eine Studien an nicht-menschlichen Tieren. > > Ich glaube, es gibt da jetzt auch etwas an Menschen, aber finde dazu > jetzt den Bericht nicht. > > Ah, hier ist etwas von 2012: > > |The chip was implanted in three patients, all of whom had |been born > sighted but had become almost completely blind due |to retinal > degeneration. In all three patients, the chip |restored some degree of > vision. > . . . > |Eberhart Zrenner, et al. (2010). Subretinal electronic chips |allow > blind patients to read letters and combine them to |words Proc. R. Soc. > B : 10.1098/rspb.2010.1747 Genau sowas. Das ist aber noch kein "Vollersatz" sondern benutzt die noch intakten Nervenzellen bzw -enden im Auge mit. Es gibt aber so interessante Sachen, wo versucht wird, Neuronen an ICs zu "konnekten". Gibt es schon länger und immer mal was Neues dabei - so richtig funktionieren tut es scheinbar bisher nicht. Sehr interessant war auch der - das ist ja hier auch eine folklore.computer Gruppe - der mit einem HP Tintenstahler (noch dem eckigen Original 500er) eine Suspension aus Hautzellen verdrucken wollte und so Transplantate herstellen wollte. (so um 2000 herum, wenn Du suchen magst) VG.
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-04 16:34 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-04 17:20 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 03:55 +0000
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-06 13:59 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:31 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2025-10-06 18:41 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-06 18:50 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-06 17:03 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:45 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-10-07 09:40 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-07 08:36 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-06 22:44 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-07 10:16 +0200
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:11 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-07 09:26 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-19 19:46 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-20 10:22 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-20 09:35 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:22 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-15 11:49 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2026-06-15 14:44 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2026-06-15 20:27 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-16 08:07 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2026-06-16 18:48 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-20 19:21 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 21:08 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-11-13 18:44 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Kay Martinen <usenet@martinen.de> - 2025-11-12 20:49 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2025-11-13 13:26 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-05 11:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-06 19:37 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-07 21:09 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:13 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 07:50 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-08 14:30 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-08 18:56 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-08 19:26 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:53 +0200
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-11-01 14:53 +0100
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0100
Re: sf (was: What's left of Usenet is here ) Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-08 21:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-10-08 22:16 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-09 05:25 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-09 13:42 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-09 20:02 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 07:51 +0200
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-10 19:27 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:20 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 09:41 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:27 +0200
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:51 +0200
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-11 16:53 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-11 15:08 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:21 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:27 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:42 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Guido Grohmann <guido.grohmann@gmx.de> - 2025-10-12 18:15 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-13 12:19 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-10 13:38 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-10 18:12 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:49 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-11 14:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 14:14 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 16:23 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-11 17:24 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-11 18:13 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 15:06 +0000
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 18:26 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Sebastian Barthel <naitsabes@freenet.de> - 2025-10-12 18:05 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-12 20:37 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Frank Nitzschner <nospam@nitzschner.de> - 2025-10-13 07:20 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-13 14:29 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-13 07:33 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 15:47 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 19:13 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-13 17:42 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 18:11 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2025-10-13 20:17 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2025-10-13 19:47 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:09 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-10 08:34 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-11 06:40 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-11 11:45 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-10-11 12:37 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Kraemer <m.kraemer@gsi.de> - 2025-10-05 11:39 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:02 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 12:15 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2025-10-05 21:29 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Michael Noe <michaelnoeusenet@mac.com> - 2025-10-06 04:54 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-06 05:08 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 12:20 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-05 10:22 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Dennis Grevenstein <dennis.grevenstein@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 12:53 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:10 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:25 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 16:51 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-05 17:12 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here michaelnoeusenet@mac.com (Michael Noe) - 2025-10-05 17:30 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-09 07:21 +0000
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-10-09 10:00 +0200
Re: What's left of Usenet is here Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-10-04 18:57 +0000
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Re: What's left of Usenet is here Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-14 10:20 +0200
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