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  iTunes Ecosystem?? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-27 22:25 -0500
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-27 23:25 -0500
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 04:29 +0000
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 21:30 -0800
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-28 00:00 -0600
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 22:14 -0800
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-28 06:51 -0800
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-28 09:25 -0600
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 10:26 -0500
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-28 11:01 -0500
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 16:55 +0000
        Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-01-29 01:58 +0000
        Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-28 21:53 -0600
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-28 07:27 -0500
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? rcp27g@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 08:24 -0800
      Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-28 18:21 -0500
        Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:38 -0700
          Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 15:01 +0000
            Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-29 19:34 -0600
              Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-29 23:20 -0500
    Re: iTunes Ecosystem?? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-28 09:41 -0800

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#55500 — iTunes Ecosystem??

Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
physical environment."

To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
iniquitous.

Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#55502

On 14-01-27 22:25, Davoud wrote:
> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> physical environment."

> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.


But it is an ecosystem. Different part of what iTunes provides feed/help
each other.

The 3rd party applications, music, movies etc all build an ecosystem
that keeps the iPhone/iPad products thriving and succesful.

In fact, the ecosystem is what makes the iPhone succesful despite having
far lower sales than Android.

And in an iCloud world where iTunes takes a back seat, the ecosystem
remains in the from seat.

Itunes referes to the distribution mechanism. iTunes ecosystem refers to
the wealth of music, apps etc which are distributed via iTunes.

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#55504

On 2014-01-28, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> physical environment."
>
> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
> iniquitous.
>
> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

Meh. There are enough similarities that I don't have a problem with the
analogy.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55505

Davoud <star@sky.net> writes:

> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> physical environment."
> 
> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
> iniquitous.
> 
> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

We wont be using the phrase "iTunes ecosystem" in thus time frame.. At
least not going forward.

At the end of the day, it is the mass of cliches you assemble that
matters, not what you have to say. 

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#55506

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their 
> physical environment."
>
> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time 
> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
> iniquitous.
>
> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem" 
with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need 
to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters, 
brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among 
representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market 
populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement 
terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target 
date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple 
ecosystem.

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#55507

Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:

> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their 
> > physical environment."
> >
> > To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
> > inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
> > pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
> > with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time 
> > frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
> > iniquitous.
> >
> > Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
> 
> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem" 
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need 
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters, 
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among 
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market 
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement 
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target 
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple 
> ecosystem.

pwned.

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#55517

On 1/27/14   PDT, 10:00 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
>> physical environment."
>>
>> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
>> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
>> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
>> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
>> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
>> iniquitous.
>>
>> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
>
> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem"
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters,
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple
> ecosystem.

My focus group has delaminated this parameter delineation and concludes 
the ecosystem is ripe for targeted growth with minimal amounts of 
fertilizer.  It suggests the start-by date be re-targeted for the time 
frame of IIIQ 2016.

VTY

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#55519

In article <slrnleehr2.2q9c.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their 
> > physical environment."
> >
> > To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
> > inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
> > pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
> > with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time 
> > frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
> > iniquitous.
> >
> > Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
> 
> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem" 
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need 
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters, 
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among 
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market 
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement 
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target 
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple 
> ecosystem.

Thank you for letting us know about your future plans.

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#55520

On 1/28/14, 1:00 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
>> physical environment."
>>
>> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
>> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
>> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
>> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
>> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
>> iniquitous.
>>
>> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
>
> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem"
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters,
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple
> ecosystem.
>
Sounds a bit like Sir Humphrey Appleby (Yes, Minister).

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#55521

Davoud:
> > Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their 
> > physical environment."

> > To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
> > inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
> > pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
> > with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time 
> > frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
> > iniquitous.

> > Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

Tim McNamara:
> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem" 
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need 
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters, 
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among 
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market 
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement 
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target 
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple 
> ecosystem.

That is exactly what I wanted to say, but I lack your eloquent, yet
compendious, style.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#55524

In message <slrnleehr2.2q9c.timmcn@sugaree.local> 
  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their 
>> physical environment."
>>
>> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
>> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
>> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
>> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time 
>> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
>> iniquitous.
>>
>> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes ecosystem" 
> with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  We will need 
> to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new parameters, 
> brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which can tested among 
> representative samples of Apple's various overlapping target market 
> populations.  Once the the betas are finalized and the replacement 
> terminology is qualified we can push it out with a presumptive target 
> date of Q2 2017.  This could be a watershed moment for the Apple 
> ecosystem.

You forgot the paradigm shift.

-- 
We understand the importance of having the bondage between the parent and the child.

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#55538

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:55:52 UTC, Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> You forgot the paradigm shift.
 
That's what they say about paradigms: shift happens.

-- 
John Varela

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#55542

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:55:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <slrnleehr2.2q9c.timmcn@sugaree.local> 
>   Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:25:11 -0500, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and 
>>> their physical environment."
>>>
>>> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of 
>>> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and 
>>> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there 
>>> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March 
>>> time frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and 
>>> iniquitous.
>>>
>>> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
>
>> So, going forward under your updated parameters, we need to have in 
>> place a streamlined frame of reference to replace the "iTunes 
>> ecosystem" with a less organic yet more technically correct buzzword.  
>> We will need to identify a suitable process owner to enact the new 
>> parameters, brainstorming a set of alternative terminologies which 
>> can tested among representative samples of Apple's various 
>> overlapping target market populations.  Once the the betas are 
>> finalized and the replacement terminology is qualified we can push it 
>> out with a presumptive target date of Q2 2017.  This could be a 
>> watershed moment for the Apple ecosystem.
>
> You forgot the paradigm shift.

D'oh!!!!

Dang, that was fun.  I was more or less paraphrasing the style of an 
administrator I worked with for a while.  It was often exhausting work 
just interpreting what she was trying to say.  At least I think she was 
trying to say something- this sort of verbiage is the MBA version of the 
Rorschach test:  word blots instead of ink blots.

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#55513

On 1/27/14, 10:25 PM, Davoud wrote:
> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> physical environment."
>
> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
> iniquitous.
>
> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.
>
Arthur Tansley, who was married to a Chick, thought it up and asked 
Arthur Roy Chapman to coin the word, which Tansley published in his 1935 
book about the abuse of terms and concepts.

With his finely trained ear, DaVinci had demonstrated it in 1490, and 
the US Coast Guard had been using it since 1914.  Ecosystem is of course 
an acronym for "sound navigation and ranging," but when the British got 
hold of it, they called it ASDIC.  Go figure!

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#55523

On Tuesday, 28 January 2014 04:25:11 UTC+1, Davoud  wrote:
> Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> physical environment."
> 
> To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
> inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
> pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
> with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
> frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
> iniquitous.
> 
> Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

iTunes is a specific piece of software (or two pieces, one for the Mac and one for Windows).  The concept that is described by the phrase, "iTunes ecosystem" is the way in which the iPod, the Mac and the iTunes store, interacting through the medium of iTunes, make each element more useful than each one would be on its own.  To that mix has been added the iPhone, iPad and iOS app store.  Each element benefits from things that the others provide, and provides features that make the others more useful.

If we take your definition of ecosystem and replace biological terms with more neutral ones ones, we have "a community of interacting elements and their physical environment."  This is a good analogy to describe the kind of interplay between the elements of the unmentionable.  I an not think of a better analogy to use when describing this kind of interaction and the way in which the elements work together to produce a whole that is more useful than the sum of its parts.

Robin

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#55535

Davoud:
> > Ecosystem: "a biological community of interacting organisms and their
> > physical environment."
> > 
> > To my finely trained ear, describing an interconnected system of
> > inorganic machines and software as an "ecosystem" is as foul and
> > pompous a buzzword as I have ever encountered. It's right down there
> > with "time frame," as in "We expect to have it ready in the March time
> > frame." Reprehensible, despicable, repugnant, opprobrious, and
> > iniquitous.
> > 
> > Suggested replacement for the execrable "iTunes ecosystem:" iTunes.

Robin:
> iTunes is a specific piece of software (or two pieces, one for the Mac and
> one for Windows).

The former is quite enough for me, thank you.

> The concept that is described by the phrase, "iTunes
> ecosystem" is the way in which the iPod, the Mac and the iTunes store,
> interacting through the medium of iTunes, make each element more useful than
> each one would be on its own.  To that mix has been added the iPhone, iPad
> and iOS app store.  Each element benefits from things that the others
> provide, and provides features that make the others more useful.

Thank you for that profound explanation of iTunes. I had no idea what
iTunes, iPod, Mac, iTunes store, iPhone, iPad, iOS--goodness gracious,
is their more?--meant. Now that you have kindly explained to me what
these things are, I think that I shall call the way in which these
mysterious things interact, "iTunes" or, if I'm feeling particularly
wordy, the "iTunes system." This parallels the way I refer to my car as
"my car," and do not refer to the way that the engine, transmission,
steering, suspension, and what-not work together, as my "car
ecosystem."

> If we take your definition of ecosystem and replace biological terms with
> more neutral ones ones, we have "a community of interacting elements and
> their physical environment."  This is a good analogy to describe the kind of
> interplay between the elements of the unmentionable.  I an not think of a
> better analogy to use when describing this kind of interaction and the way in
> which the elements work together to produce a whole that is more useful than the sum of its parts.

O, so now it's holistic, to boot! The holistic iTunes ecosystem. My,
but that is a pompous exposition. You have also described my car, my
TV, and my camera and its accessories. But I still call them what they
are. It's not my Toyota ecosystem, my Sony ecosystem, or my Canon
ecosystem. Just car, TV, and camera. Ditto iTunes, computer, and file
server. I'll just have to make do with that.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#55540

In article <280120141821526624%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> Thank you for that profound explanation of iTunes. I had no idea what
> iTunes, iPod, Mac, iTunes store, iPhone, iPad, iOS--goodness gracious,
> is their more?--meant. Now that you have kindly explained to me what
> these things are, I think that I shall call the way in which these
> mysterious things interact, "iTunes" or, if I'm feeling particularly
> wordy, the "iTunes system." This parallels the way I refer to my car as
> "my car," and do not refer to the way that the engine, transmission,
> steering, suspension, and what-not work together, as my "car
> ecosystem."

Your car is one thing; your supercilious analogy is invalid. 
Furthermore, you are limiting yourself to only one definition when in
reality there are more than one; for instance the New Oxford American
Dictionary defines ecosystem thusly:

ecosystem |?ek??sist?m, ??k?-|
nounEcology
a biological community of interacting organisms and their physical
environment.
€ (in general use) a complex network or interconnected system: Silicon
Valley's entrepreneurial ecosystem | the entire ecosystem of movie and
video production will eventually go digital.

"iTunes ecosystem" certainly falls in that second definition.

How about taking your supercilious (I like that word) sarcastic
pedantry and shove it where the sun don't (er, doesn't) shine?

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#55546

On 2014-01-29, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <280120141821526624%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for that profound explanation of iTunes. I had no idea what
>> iTunes, iPod, Mac, iTunes store, iPhone, iPad, iOS--goodness gracious,
>> is their more?--meant. Now that you have kindly explained to me what
>> these things are, I think that I shall call the way in which these
>> mysterious things interact, "iTunes" or, if I'm feeling particularly
>> wordy, the "iTunes system." This parallels the way I refer to my car as
>> "my car," and do not refer to the way that the engine, transmission,
>> steering, suspension, and what-not work together, as my "car
>> ecosystem."
>
> Your car is one thing; your supercilious analogy is invalid. 
> Furthermore, you are limiting yourself to only one definition when in
> reality there are more than one; for instance the New Oxford American
> Dictionary defines ecosystem thusly:
>
> ecosystem |?ek??sist?m, ??k?-|
> nounEcology
> a biological community of interacting organisms and their physical
> environment.
> € (in general use) a complex network or interconnected system: Silicon
> Valley's entrepreneurial ecosystem | the entire ecosystem of movie and
> video production will eventually go digital.
>
> "iTunes ecosystem" certainly falls in that second definition.
>
> How about taking your supercilious (I like that word) sarcastic
> pedantry and shove it where the sun don't (er, doesn't) shine?

My thoughts exactly. Much ado about nothing...

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55584

Actually, I rather like "ecosystem" as a description of iTunes' 
oddly-assorted functions.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55594

On 1/29/14, 8:34 PM, erilar wrote:
> Actually, I rather like "ecosystem" as a description of iTunes'
> oddly-assorted functions.
>
The term first appeared in a 1935 article entitled, "The Use and Abuse 
of Vegetational Terms and Concepts."  Apple has done the author proud.

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