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  I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-20 00:35 +1200
    Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-19 09:07 -0400
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-19 10:22 -0400
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-20 03:37 +1200
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> - 2015-04-19 17:34 +0000
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 18:44 +0100
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-20 09:18 +1200
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-19 19:34 -0400
              Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-19 19:50 -0400
              Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 02:13 +0000
                Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-20 00:27 -0400
                  Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-20 18:11 +1200
                    Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2015-04-21 08:00 +0200
                      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-21 18:22 +1200
                        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-21 19:37 +1200
                  Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-20 08:00 -0400
                  Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 12:36 +0000
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> - 2015-04-20 01:01 +0000
              Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-20 13:17 +1200
              Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. rcp27g@gmail.com - 2015-04-20 08:00 -0700
                Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-21 03:51 +1200
                  Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. rcp27g@gmail.com - 2015-04-20 10:28 -0700
                Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> - 2015-04-20 16:06 +0000
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. billy@MIX.COM - 2015-04-19 17:25 +0000
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-19 19:35 -0400
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-19 19:50 -0400
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:24 -0500
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. rcp27g@gmail.com - 2015-04-20 10:31 -0700
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-20 15:00 -0400
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-21 09:22 +1200
    Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-19 10:38 -0500
    Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Bill F <anon@anonumost.org> - 2015-04-19 13:44 -0400
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 18:48 +0100
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-19 14:11 -0400
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-19 11:23 -0700
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-19 11:31 -0700
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-20 09:18 +1200
            Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 22:32 +0100
              Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 15:30 -0700
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-19 16:56 -0500
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-20 19:18 -0700
          Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-21 05:55 +0000
    Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-22 08:42 -0700
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-22 12:07 -0400
        Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-23 05:03 +1200
      Re: I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device. Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-23 09:24 +1200

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#73453 — I don't want a thinner Apple laptop or iOS device.

I'd be sold on a thicker... almost every Apple product (maybe see how
thin the Air models can get, but other than them - nup!), or at least no
thinner than now. Battery life>thinness for years now, IMO.
http://www.marco.org/2015/04/17/battery-outliers?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_
medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tidbits

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73458

On 2015-04-19 08:35, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> I'd be sold on a thicker... almost every Apple product (maybe see how
> thin the Air models can get, but other than them - nup!), or at least no
> thinner than now. Battery life>thinness for years now, IMO.
> http://www.marco.org/2015/04/17/battery-outliers?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_
> medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tidbits


Apple's drive for aesthetic perfection does not support sustainability. 
  My current iMac is fantastically beautiful.  But if I have to change 
the HD, it will take a couple hours.  (And a seal kit from iFixIt).

My SO's failed RAM on her 7 yr. old MBA is another example.  If the case 
were 3 mm thicker, the RAM could have been replaceable.  (The SSD is 
replaceable with some effort).

I'd rather Apple let their devices be a little fatter for the sake of 
maintainability.

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#73459

Alan Browne: 
> Apple's drive for aesthetic perfection does not support sustainability. 
>   My current iMac is fantastically beautiful.  But if I have to change 
> the HD, it will take a couple hours.  (And a seal kit from iFixIt).
> 
> My SO's failed RAM on her 7 yr. old MBA is another example.  If the case 
> were 3 mm thicker, the RAM could have been replaceable.  (The SSD is 
> replaceable with some effort).
> 
> I'd rather Apple let their devices be a little fatter for the sake of 
> maintainability.

It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?) and two
Thunderbolt ports, each of which is useless to me without a bulky and
annoying $30 adapter. With those adapters my 36 cm-wide laptop grows to
a width of 48 cm. I also lost my separate audio-in and audio-out ports.
I imagine my next MBP will be sleeker yet, consisting of a solid block
of beautifully machined aluminum with no seams, no hinges, no internal
components. Everything will be in a black plastic external box,
40x40x20 cm, with no connection to the inert MBP.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#73460

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Alan Browne: 
> > Apple's drive for aesthetic perfection does not support sustainability.
> >   My current iMac is fantastically beautiful.  But if I have to change
> > the HD, it will take a couple hours.  (And a seal kit from iFixIt).
> > 
> > My SO's failed RAM on her 7 yr. old MBA is another example.  If the case
> > were 3 mm thicker, the RAM could have been replaceable.  (The SSD is
> > replaceable with some effort).
> > 
> > I'd rather Apple let their devices be a little fatter for the sake of
> > maintainability.
> 
> It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
> FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
> machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
> sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
> ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
> connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?) and two
> Thunderbolt ports, each of which is useless to me without a bulky and
> annoying $30 adapter. With those adapters my 36 cm-wide laptop grows to
> a width of 48 cm. I also lost my separate audio-in and audio-out ports.
> I imagine my next MBP will be sleeker yet, consisting of a solid block
> of beautifully machined aluminum with no seams, no hinges, no internal
> components. Everything will be in a black plastic external box,
> 40x40x20 cm, with no connection to the inert MBP.

Even my iPod touch 5th gen. has no ambient light sensor to automatically
adjust the brightness of the screen as the 4th gen. had, because that
would require another whole mm! As a result the screen is unreadable in
bright sunlight after going outside. I have to cup my hands around the
screen just to be able to see the damn UI to turn the brightness up.

Not to mention the battery life has NEVER lasted all the way through a
day. And what do I get for it's ultra-thinness? A device I immediately
had to seal inside a bulky rubberised case just so I have something to
grip without it slipping out of my hand, and be broken by a short fall.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73464

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
> FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
> machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
> sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
> ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
> connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?) and two
> Thunderbolt ports, each of which is useless to me without a bulky and
> annoying $30 adapter. With those adapters my 36 cm-wide laptop grows to
> a width of 48 cm. I also lost my separate audio-in and audio-out ports.
> I imagine my next MBP will be sleeker yet, consisting of a solid block
> of beautifully machined aluminum with no seams, no hinges, no internal
> components. Everything will be in a black plastic external box,
> 40x40x20 cm, with no connection to the inert MBP.

I completely agree with most of this.  I just chose a MBP over an Air,
figuring I'd rather carry an extra 8 ounces and a marginally thicker
machine if it gave me a little more convenience.  Where I differ from you
is that one of the conveniences I felt I was getting was the HDMI port.
Rarely when I give presentations is there an Apple TV for me to connect to
but there's almost always an HDMI cable that's handed to me.  Of course, I
do frequently still need to get to  VGA. And for that, we're back to the
$30 adapter. (No, I do not think Apple should be taking up space with VGA
ports. I do look forward to that being retired everywhere.) I also bought
the equally annoying $30 adapter for Ethernet.  Yes, I'm wireless most of
the time, but when transferring massive files, a cable can make a huge
difference, and I wish the Ethernet port was still built in.

-- 
The fine art of folding air - airigami.com

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#73466

In article
<1778264312451157010.302095moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:

>Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
>> FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
>> machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
>> sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
>> ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
>> connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?)

What have TVs got to do with anything. On my Mini, I use the HDMI/DVI
to connect to a Dell screen. Both my Dell screens (six and more years
old) use DVI input.

-- 
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion,
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious 
and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."            -- James Nicoll, rasfw

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#73472

In article
<1778264312451157010.302095moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:

> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
> > FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
> > machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
> > sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
> > ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
> > connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?) and two
> > Thunderbolt ports, each of which is useless to me without a bulky and
> > annoying $30 adapter. With those adapters my 36 cm-wide laptop grows to
> > a width of 48 cm. I also lost my separate audio-in and audio-out ports.
> > I imagine my next MBP will be sleeker yet, consisting of a solid block
> > of beautifully machined aluminum with no seams, no hinges, no internal
> > components. Everything will be in a black plastic external box,
> > 40x40x20 cm, with no connection to the inert MBP.
> 
> I completely agree with most of this.  I just chose a MBP over an Air,
> figuring I'd rather carry an extra 8 ounces and a marginally thicker
> machine if it gave me a little more convenience.  Where I differ from you
> is that one of the conveniences I felt I was getting was the HDMI port.
> Rarely when I give presentations is there an Apple TV for me to connect to
> but there's almost always an HDMI cable that's handed to me.  Of course, I
> do frequently still need to get to  VGA. And for that, we're back to the
> $30 adapter. (No, I do not think Apple should be taking up space with VGA
> ports. I do look forward to that being retired everywhere.) I also bought
> the equally annoying $30 adapter for Ethernet.  Yes, I'm wireless most of
> the time, but when transferring massive files, a cable can make a huge
> difference, and I wish the Ethernet port was still built in.

Forget Ethernet. Where's the ADB port?? Where's the floppy disk drive??
Where's the CD/DVD drive?? Where's the numeric keypad?? Where's the
built-in trackball ... even the old Macintosh Portable had one of
those!  ;-)

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#73482

Davoud:
> > > It's that and more. Apple spent a lot of ad money convincing me that 
> > > FireWire and gigabit Ethernet were great. The 17" MBPro was *the*
> > > machine for the "Creative Pro." Now what do I get? A skinny--sorry,
> > > sleek--little 15" laptop with no FW, no Ethernet, a paltry two USB
> > > ports, an HDMI port (do so many people tie up their $3k laptops by
> > > connecting them to a TV when an Apple TV costs $69?) and two
> > > Thunderbolt ports, each of which is useless to me without a bulky and
> > > annoying $30 adapter. With those adapters my 36 cm-wide laptop grows to
> > > a width of 48 cm. I also lost my separate audio-in and audio-out ports.
> > > I imagine my next MBP will be sleeker yet, consisting of a solid block
> > > of beautifully machined aluminum with no seams, no hinges, no internal
> > > components. Everything will be in a black plastic external box,
> > > 40x40x20 cm, with no connection to the inert MBP.

"Your Name": 
> Forget Ethernet. Where's the ADB port?? Where's the floppy disk drive??
> Where's the CD/DVD drive?? Where's the numeric keypad?? Where's the
> built-in trackball ... even the old Macintosh Portable had one of
> those!  ;-)

This was a civil discourse (or, if you prefer, a civil whine) before
you jumped in with your typical inanity. Still, I'll take you on, point
by point, even though you are too cowardly to use your name on your
posts. 

* Forget Ethernet? Scientific instruments, including the research-grade
astronomical cameras that are of interest to me, have been problematic
for Mac users because many manufacturers did not write Mac drivers. Now
the makers are switching to Ethernet ports and the camera-control
software is built into the devices with a web interface. It requires
Ethernet. The laptop is the machine of choice in the observatory--but
Macs have no Ethernet ports.

* ADB ports and floppies? That's facetious. Instead, let's compare
FireWire and Thunderbolt. Visit OWC or the vendor and compare prices
and availability of portable, bus-powered, FW and Thunderbolt drives.

* CD/DVD drives? $ 79 in the Apple Store. Many people still use them. I
have an external Apple CD/DVD drive, though I rarely use it.

* The numeric keypad was never on my PowerBooks or MacBook Pros, but I
have them on the Apple-brand keyboards of all three of my iMacs, and I
make much use of them, as does everyone who performs extensive
numerical calculations.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#73484

In article <190420151934032405%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> * Forget Ethernet? Scientific instruments, including the research-grade
> astronomical cameras that are of interest to me, have been problematic
> for Mac users because many manufacturers did not write Mac drivers. Now
> the makers are switching to Ethernet ports and the camera-control
> software is built into the devices with a web interface. It requires
> Ethernet. The laptop is the machine of choice in the observatory--but
> Macs have no Ethernet ports.

get a cheap wifi router and bridge it. problem solved.

> * ADB ports and floppies? That's facetious. Instead, let's compare
> FireWire and Thunderbolt. Visit OWC or the vendor and compare prices
> and availability of portable, bus-powered, FW and Thunderbolt drives.

there are far more usb 3 peripherals, and for less money.

with usb c, this will become even more true.

> * CD/DVD drives? $ 79 in the Apple Store. Many people still use them. I
> have an external Apple CD/DVD drive, though I rarely use it.

not that many, including yourself. that's why it's not there anymore.

for the occasions it's needed, plug in a usb drive. there's no point in
taking up space for something that's rarely used.

> * The numeric keypad was never on my PowerBooks or MacBook Pros, but I
> have them on the Apple-brand keyboards of all three of my iMacs, and I
> make much use of them, as does everyone who performs extensive
> numerical calculations.

actually it was on both, but not in a useful form:
<https://support.apple.com/kb/TA25862?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US>

<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macbookpro/macbook_thirteen.png>

for those who do a lot of numeric entry, there are external keyboards
with numeric keypads as well as standalone numeric keypads, either
bluetooth or usb.

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#73497

In message <190420151934032405%star@sky.net> 
  Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> The laptop is the machine of choice in the observatory--but
> Macs have no Ethernet ports.

Of course they do. When you need Ethernet, you add Ethernet.

> * ADB ports and floppies? That's facetious. Instead, let's compare
> FireWire and Thunderbolt. Visit OWC or the vendor and compare prices
> and availability of portable, bus-powered, FW and Thunderbolt drives.

So? Add Firewire if you think you need it.

Frankly, for high speed disk access, thunderbolt is the way to go. If
you just need an external drive, USB3 is fine. HDs aren't a good reason
to have FireWire.

-- 
'Listen,' said Rincewind. 'It's all over, do you see? You can't put the
spells back in the book, you can't unsay what's been said, you can't-'
'You can try!' --The Light Fantastic

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#73573

On 15-04-19 22:13, Lewis wrote:

> Frankly, for high speed disk access, thunderbolt is the way to go.

Apple is pulling ouf of Thunderbolt. Going to USB-3 So I wouln't be
building any infrastructure based on a technology that Apple will liekly
stop putting on new machines.

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#73617

In article <5534802b$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-19 22:13, Lewis wrote:
> > 
> > Frankly, for high speed disk access, thunderbolt is the way to go.
> 
> Apple is pulling ouf of Thunderbolt. Going to USB-3 So I wouln't be
> building any infrastructure based on a technology that Apple will liekly
> stop putting on new machines.

True, Thunderbolt is nearly gone. Thunderbolt 2 on the other hand will
likely be a round for a few years yet, and Thunderbolt 3 is on the way.
It's a different port for different reasons than USB3 (and assuming you
really mean USB3 and not just the new mini-USB2 port as used in the new
MacBook).

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#73820

Salut Your

In article <200420151811196301%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> It's a different port for different reasons than USB3 (and assuming you
> really mean USB3 and not just the new mini-USB2 port as used in the new
> MacBook).

Pardon? What gives you the idea that te new MacBook has an USB2 port?
It's USB3.1!

<http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/>

Cheers
Andreas

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#73821

In article <andreas-77364E.08002221042015@news.individual.de>, Andreas
Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> In article <200420151811196301%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > It's a different port for different reasons than USB3 (and assuming you
> > really mean USB3 and not just the new mini-USB2 port as used in the new
> > MacBook).
> 
> Pardon? What gives you the idea that te new MacBook has an USB2 port?
> It's USB3.1!
> 
> <http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/>

Oops! Sorry. So it is. Somewhere along the line I missed seeing Apple
changing over to USB3.

Doesn't change the point though. USB is designed for different uses to
Thunderbolt, although there is also some cross-over as well. A
Thunderbolt mouse would be massive overkill.

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#73822

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <andreas-77364E.08002221042015@news.individual.de>, Andreas
> Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> > In article <200420151811196301%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> >  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > It's a different port for different reasons than USB3 (and assuming you
> > > really mean USB3 and not just the new mini-USB2 port as used in the new
> > > MacBook).
> > 
> > Pardon? What gives you the idea that te new MacBook has an USB2 port?
> > It's USB3.1!
> > 
> > <http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/>
> 
> Oops! Sorry. So it is. Somewhere along the line I missed seeing Apple
> changing over to USB3.

Just in case you thought this was a new development, that changeover was
almost three years ago, starting with the Mid 2012 MacBook Pro
(including the still "current" non-retina 13-inch Mid 2012 model) and
MacBook Air, followed by the Late 2012 iMac and Mac Mini. The Mac Pro
got USB 3.0 with the redesigned model in Late 2013.

The USB-C port on the new MacBook is advertised as USB 3.1, but it is
"USB 3.1 gen 1", which has the same maximum speed as USB 3.0. We will
probably get "USB 3.1 gen 2" ports on new Macs once Intel adds support
for it in their standard chipset, but current rumours say that won't be
happening with the new "Skylake" processors later this year (which will
be introducing Thunderbolt 3.0, if that doesn't happen earlier for
special cases like an updated Mac Pro).

Another upcoming change of note for those who need to work with old
displays or projectors: an article referenced by Wikipedia claims
Skylake is going to drop support for the VGA connector. Whether this
extends to dropping the ability to generate VGA via a simple DisplayPort
adapter is not clear.

> Doesn't change the point though. USB is designed for different uses to
> Thunderbolt, although there is also some cross-over as well.

There is now even more crossover, with USB-C being able to output native
DisplayPort (matching that capability of Thunderbolt).

> A Thunderbolt mouse would be massive overkill.

Even a single hard drive in a Thunderbolt enclosure is overkill (USB 3.0
is easily fast enough and can supply enough power).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#73706

In article <5534802b$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Apple is pulling ouf of Thunderbolt. 

no they aren't.

> Going to USB-3 

it's not an either/or. both can exist.

however, for the new retina macbook, there is no need or space for
thunderbolt so it's not there. it would have gone unused if it was.

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#73711

In message <5534802b$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-19 22:13, Lewis wrote:

>> Frankly, for high speed disk access, thunderbolt is the way to go.

> Apple is pulling ouf of Thunderbolt.

Stop lying.

-- 
This is to say: while it was true that they had just appeared in this
particular set of dimensions, it was also true that they had been living
in them all along. It is at this point that normal language gives up,
and goes and has a drink. --Colour of Magic

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#73489

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article
> <1778264312451157010.302095moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:

>> I also bought
>> the equally annoying $30 adapter for Ethernet.  Yes, I'm wireless most of
>> the time, but when transferring massive files, a cable can make a huge
>> difference, and I wish the Ethernet port was still built in.
> 
> Forget Ethernet. Where's the ADB port?? Where's the floppy disk drive??
> Where's the CD/DVD drive?? Where's the numeric keypad?? Where's the
> built-in trackball ... even the old Macintosh Portable had one of
> those!  ;-)

I stated a specific reason for wanting Ethernet and you listed a bunch of
irrelevant pieces of technology that have been replaced by other things. I
bought a pro machine to do pro work. I need Ethernet frequently because of
the speeds it offers. There was a solution and I bought it. Other people
need optical drives and numeric keypads. They can buy them. As Davoud said,
we just wanted to whine about our specific needs and, frankly, what in my
opinion was an odd choice. (The alternatives to disk drives have obvious
advantages. There is not a replacement for Ethernet in many situations.)
Not a huge deal, in the grand scheme of things. If you NEED an ADB port and
floppy and wish to whine with us for that reason, feel free. Otherwise ...

-- 
The fine art of folding air - airigami.com

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#73493

In article
<235705114451183366.987247moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1778264312451157010.302095moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I also bought
> >> the equally annoying $30 adapter for Ethernet.  Yes, I'm wireless most of
> >> the time, but when transferring massive files, a cable can make a huge
> >> difference, and I wish the Ethernet port was still built in.
> > 
> > Forget Ethernet. Where's the ADB port?? Where's the floppy disk drive??
> > Where's the CD/DVD drive?? Where's the numeric keypad?? Where's the
> > built-in trackball ... even the old Macintosh Portable had one of
> > those!  ;-)
> 
> I stated a specific reason for wanting Ethernet and you listed a bunch of
> irrelevant pieces of technology that have been replaced by other things. I
> bought a pro machine to do pro work. I need Ethernet frequently because of
> the speeds it offers. There was a solution and I bought it. Other people
> need optical drives and numeric keypads. They can buy them. As Davoud said,
> we just wanted to whine about our specific needs and, frankly, what in my
> opinion was an odd choice. (The alternatives to disk drives have obvious
> advantages. There is not a replacement for Ethernet in many situations.)
> Not a huge deal, in the grand scheme of things. If you NEED an ADB port and
> floppy and wish to whine with us for that reason, feel free. Otherwise ...

Hint: Winking smiley = JOKE!

Besides which, what exactly is the difference between you needing to
buy an Ethernet adaptor and someone else needing to buy an external DVD
drive?!? Absolutely none, other than your own inflated self-importance. 

Another monron joins the killfile.  :-\

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#73761

On Monday, 20 April 2015 03:02:59 UTC+2, Larry Moss  wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1778264312451157010.302095moss-airigami.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:
> 
> >> I also bought
> >> the equally annoying $30 adapter for Ethernet.  Yes, I'm wireless most of
> >> the time, but when transferring massive files, a cable can make a huge
> >> difference, and I wish the Ethernet port was still built in.
> > 
> > Forget Ethernet. Where's the ADB port?? Where's the floppy disk drive??
> > Where's the CD/DVD drive?? Where's the numeric keypad?? Where's the
> > built-in trackball ... even the old Macintosh Portable had one of
> > those!  ;-)
> 
> I stated a specific reason for wanting Ethernet and you listed a bunch of
> irrelevant pieces of technology that have been replaced by other things. I
> bought a pro machine to do pro work. I need Ethernet frequently because of
> the speeds it offers.

Is this still the case?  All current generation Macs (portables and desktops) support 802.11ac, which offers data speeds above 100 Mbit.  While some networks are equipped with gigabit ethernet, it is by no means ubiquitous, and even if present, it is likely that actual data rates achieved will be limited by some other bottleneck.

Robin

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