Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!)

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On 2012-08-23 23:08:27 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2012-08-23 18:13 , Bread wrote:
>> On 2012-08-23 21:01:58 +0000, Doug Anderson said:
>> 
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The side effects of iCloud, including de-centralization of my data
>>>> from my computer to iCloud is the primary reason I don't want it.
>>> 
>>> I'm not saying you should use iCloud - I don't care what you do.
>>> 
>>> But I'm not quite sure what your objection is.  You can use iCloud and
>>> continue to have all your data on your computer.
> 
> The point is it loses the 'center' or rather the center moves away from 
> my main personal computer.

Maybe you didn't read what I wrote.  The "center" remains your main 
personal computer.  PhotoStream is simply a channel for getting the 
photos *to* that center.
> 
>> AFAIK, in particular with respect to iCloud and photos, the subsystem is
>> called PhotoStream and it works like this:
> 
> Ya know, the fact that you had to explain it over a couple of 
> paragraphs is probably the best reason why it's not suited to me for 
> photography of any kind!

I suppose.  It took me a little while to figure it out, too.  But now 
that I understand it, it looks to me like it will make my life easier 
than the current system which requires me to copy by hand after I 
return from a vacation or other period away from my main computer.
> 
> I take in excess of 200 photos per week (casually) and in excess of 200 
> / day when I'm on vacation, a trip or a project.  And with a camera 
> that is quite a bit better (ahem) than the iPhone.

I don't take quite that many on a daily/weekly basis, but on vacations 
and when there are family events, the number certainly gets close to 
what you're describing.  And of course, I'm talking about a better 
camera than my iPhone.
> 
> Only a small amount of that photography is web worthy in any way.  So I 
> use websites, dropbox and e-mail for those.

I have no idea what you think "web worthy" has to do with any of this.

Nor am I trying to convince you that you should use PhotoStream.  I 
just hope to see a little light go on to indicate that you at least 
have an idea what it really is.  Based on your comments, you really 
don't, I think.  Frankly, until I spent a little bit of time digging, 
neither did I.  I think Apple's done an absolutely lousy job of making 
it clear what this does and how it would integrate into anyone's 
workflow.

Thread

Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:47 -0700
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:28 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:23 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:49 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:53 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:26 -0500
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:05 +0200
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 16:10 +1200
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:50 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 01:10 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 01:49 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:40 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 19:01 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:20 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:09 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:26 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-22 10:25 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:06 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 15:15 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:35 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-24 07:57 +1000
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 16:53 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 14:01 -0700
                iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 15:13 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:27 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 19:08 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple   High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:30 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:17 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:47 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:55 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:08 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 11:44 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 15:31 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:46 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 19:23 -0400
                Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 19:53 -0700
                Re: Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-28 19:49 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-23 21:10 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:42 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 14:39 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:32 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:49 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-24 16:46 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-24 17:16 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:13 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 09:41 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:00 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 10:47 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 11:16 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-25 16:56 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:13 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:17 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-26 18:20 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:48 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 17:09 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 18:14 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 22:23 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 19:53 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 12:58 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 20:28 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:47 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 13:20 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 13:33 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:05 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:19 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:37 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-25 23:18 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 09:57 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 13:27 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:33 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:53 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 17:48 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:23 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-25 20:23 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:48 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:31 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 21:59 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-22 16:03 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-23 01:50 +0000
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 15:37 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:48 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:00 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:38 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:58 -0400
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 17:13 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-20 18:52 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:42 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:34 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:44 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:15 +0200
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-21 07:54 -0600
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:08 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:30 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-22 13:09 +1200
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:04 -0500
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> - 2012-08-20 19:19 -0500
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 15:54 +0100
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 13:59 -0400

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