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Re: Apple High End DSLR?

From Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Apple High End DSLR?
Date 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
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Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2012-08-20 19:00 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> >
> >> On 2012-08-20 18:37 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think a good, reasonably priced point-and-shoot that would geotag
> >>> pictures and directly load them to Photostream or some social
> >>> networking sites might be a winning product idea,
> >>
> >> That's what it will be if it is to be.
> >>
> >>> though it is hard to
> >>> imagine it capturing the market share Apple is used to.
> >>
> >> I think it could catch on like wild fire.
> >
> > Well, I would think seriously about it.   But I have trouble
> > imagining it reaching iPhone levels of dominance.
> >
> > The market size and the replacement time for digitial cameras is (I
> > think) smaller and longer (respectively) than that for phones.  Also,
> > there are a lot of cheap cameras on the market (many of them are not
> > very good).  Apple, if true to form, would make a high quality product
> > at a competitive price for that quality level.  But I'm not sure how
> > many discriminating consumers there are in the point-and-shoot market
> > (certainly there are some, but judging from the success of cheap
> > mediocre camers, there aren't that many).
> 
> See below.
> 
> >
> >> One of the problems right now is the massive choice in P&S cameras.
> >> Go to dpreview.com to get a feel for it.
> >
> > Yeah - I think this is why it will be difficult for Apple to grab much
> > of the market.
> 
> I think you misunderstand my point.  If you go look at dpreview the
> choices are overwhelming.  People trying to figure out what to get
> have so many choices that it's frustrating and hard to get it right
> for someone who doesn't understand the specs.
> 
> But if Apple comes along (and in their true marketing whiz-bang way)
> makes a product that doesn't need to be understood per se, it's
> Apple. Period.  And of course it will be an ace at P&S photography and
> do most things more than well enough for most people.
> 
> People will chuck trying to decide what to buy on dpreview and take
> the simple choice.  Apple iSnap.

No, I understand your point, I'm just not sure if it is right.

I think Apple's success in the phone/mp3 player/tablet market has been
a combination of three things:

1) a good product.
2) good marketing.
3) price competiveness  [it has proven hard to undercut these products
at similar feature levels].

It is this third thing that I question in the camera business; partly
because the feature levels are not something people judge very well in
cameras (megapixels rule,  optics quality not so much).  

Apple will (if they do this) probably make a good camera with
excellent optics for the money and great ease of use features.  But if
someone is selling a camera with more megapixels and shabbier optics
(or with worse noise-reduction software, or with a smaller sensor) for
$100 less, I think consumers aren't going to discriminate on the
optics, noise reduction or sensor size but will discriminate on price.

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Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:47 -0700
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:28 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:23 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:49 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:53 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:26 -0500
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:05 +0200
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 16:10 +1200
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:50 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 01:10 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 01:49 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:40 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 19:01 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:20 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:09 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:26 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-22 10:25 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:06 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 15:15 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:35 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-24 07:57 +1000
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 16:53 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 14:01 -0700
                iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 15:13 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:27 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 19:08 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple   High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:30 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:17 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:47 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:55 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:08 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 11:44 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 15:31 -0400
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:46 -0700
                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 19:23 -0400
                Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 19:53 -0700
                Re: Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-28 19:49 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-23 21:10 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:42 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 14:39 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:32 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:49 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-24 16:46 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-24 17:16 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:13 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 09:41 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:00 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 10:47 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 11:16 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:51 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-25 16:56 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:13 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:12 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:17 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-26 18:20 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:48 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 17:09 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 18:14 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 22:23 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 19:53 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 12:58 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 20:28 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:47 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 13:20 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 13:33 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:05 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:19 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:37 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-25 23:18 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 09:57 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 13:27 +0100
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:33 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:53 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 17:48 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:23 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-25 20:23 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:48 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:31 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 21:59 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-22 16:03 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-23 01:50 +0000
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 15:37 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:48 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:00 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:38 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:58 -0400
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 17:13 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-20 18:52 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:42 -0400
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:34 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:44 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:15 +0200
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-21 07:54 -0600
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:08 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:30 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-22 13:09 +1200
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:04 -0500
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> - 2012-08-20 19:19 -0500
  Re: Apple High End DSLR? "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 15:54 +0100
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 13:59 -0400

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