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Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests

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"Davoud" <star@sky.net> wrote in message 
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> Davoud:
>>  > In fact, there are is a very narrow set of circumstances in which the
>> > government may seek a court order permitting the reading of your
>> > communications. If the government can show evidence that one or more of
>> > those circumstances applies to you, then they will likely get the
>> > order. But those circumstances don't apply to you, and the Intelligence
>> > Community does not know that you exist. You aren't the 'droid they're
>> > looking for, so relax.
>
> Wes Groleau:
>> Restating the law will rarely reassure those who claim that the law has
>> been violated.
>
> People who weren't aware of the NSA a short while ago are suddenly
> experts. Bipartisan groups in Congress have issued preliminary findings
> that the "revelations" merely depict NSA fulfilling its statutory
> mission. Anyone in Congress, at least on the intelligence committees,
> who says s/he is shocked by what NSA is doing is being disingenuous.
> Legislation has been introduced to reaffirm, not change, the NSA's
> mission. People discussing this subject (to the extent that they can be
> said to be "discussing" something they do not understand in the least)
> seem to think that NSA chooses its mission. "Hey! Didn't we go after
> narcos yesterday? What'll we do today? The Taliban? Terrorist cells in
> Spain? Indian frontier guards? PLA ground forces?" It isn't that way.
> NSA is tasked by the civil and military leadership of the USA and then
> it determines the best way to fulfill the requirements it is handed.
>
> The American people, instead of talking about little tasking details
> that they don't understand, need to be addressing the big picture: do
> they want to do away with the SIGINT service, or tie its hands
> (equivalent to doing away with it, but without the $ savings). In my
> view that would be a grave mistake. It is a tremendous complement to
> HUMINT, and it goes where agents cannot. A well placed agent, however
> valuable, will tell you what he wants you to know; he has an agenda.
> After you have debriefed him he will get on the phone and talk about
> the stuff he doesn't want you to know. And having both what he wants
> you to know and what he doesn't want you to know is a coup of
> surpassing beauty.
>
> I have not seen a report of so much as one instance of loss of privacy
> or other harm, tangible or intangible, by even a single person, due to
> NSA collection.

Then you need to get out more.

The fine print: Anxiety due to paranoia is
> self-inflicted.

And recognising that the NSA has access to most of
your private information isn't paranoia or anxiety either.

The death of a terrorist by drone strike is considered
> to be a freely accepted occupational hazard. The Intelligence Community
> will not be held liable for damages in such instances.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed.
 

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Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 08:40 -0700
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-06 11:05 -0600
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 10:50 -0700
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:59 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 11:23 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:29 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 18:33 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 12:13 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 14:20 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 13:35 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:31 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 23:52 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests billy@MIX.COM - 2013-11-06 22:16 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 19:00 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:22 -0500
              Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 23:30 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 15:41 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 07:55 -0700
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 03:08 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-07 08:51 -0800
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-07 18:42 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 12:21 +1100
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-07 17:23 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:31 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-07 11:08 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-08 08:58 +1300
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:12 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-08 11:36 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:34 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:29 +0000
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:28 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 12:54 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:24 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 09:13 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-07 18:21 -0500
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-08 05:07 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:32 -0500
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500

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