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Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests

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Davoud:
>  > In fact, there are is a very narrow set of circumstances in which the
> > government may seek a court order permitting the reading of your
> > communications. If the government can show evidence that one or more of
> > those circumstances applies to you, then they will likely get the
> > order. But those circumstances don't apply to you, and the Intelligence
> > Community does not know that you exist. You aren't the 'droid they're
> > looking for, so relax.

Wes Groleau:
> Restating the law will rarely reassure those who claim that the law has 
> been violated.

People who weren't aware of the NSA a short while ago are suddenly
experts. Bipartisan groups in Congress have issued preliminary findings
that the "revelations" merely depict NSA fulfilling its statutory
mission. Anyone in Congress, at least on the intelligence committees,
who says s/he is shocked by what NSA is doing is being disingenuous.
Legislation has been introduced to reaffirm, not change, the NSA's
mission. People discussing this subject (to the extent that they can be
said to be "discussing" something they do not understand in the least)
seem to think that NSA chooses its mission. "Hey! Didn't we go after
narcos yesterday? What'll we do today? The Taliban? Terrorist cells in
Spain? Indian frontier guards? PLA ground forces?" It isn't that way.
NSA is tasked by the civil and military leadership of the USA and then
it determines the best way to fulfill the requirements it is handed.

The American people, instead of talking about little tasking details
that they don't understand, need to be addressing the big picture: do
they want to do away with the SIGINT service, or tie its hands
(equivalent to doing away with it, but without the $ savings). In my
view that would be a grave mistake. It is a tremendous complement to
HUMINT, and it goes where agents cannot. A well placed agent, however
valuable, will tell you what he wants you to know; he has an agenda.
After you have debriefed him he will get on the phone and talk about
the stuff he doesn't want you to know. And having both what he wants
you to know and what he doesn't want you to know is a coup of
surpassing beauty.

I have not seen a report of so much as one instance of loss of privacy
or other harm, tangible or intangible, by even a single person, due to
NSA collection. The fine print: Anxiety due to paranoia is
self-inflicted. The death of a terrorist by drone strike is considered
to be a freely accepted occupational hazard. The Intelligence Community
will not be held liable for damages in such instances.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 08:40 -0700
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-06 11:05 -0600
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 10:50 -0700
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:59 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 11:23 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:29 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 18:33 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 12:13 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 14:20 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 13:35 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:31 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 23:52 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests billy@MIX.COM - 2013-11-06 22:16 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 19:00 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:22 -0500
              Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 23:30 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 15:41 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 07:55 -0700
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 03:08 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-07 08:51 -0800
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-07 18:42 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 12:21 +1100
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-07 17:23 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:31 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-07 11:08 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-08 08:58 +1300
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:12 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-08 11:36 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:34 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:29 +0000
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:28 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 12:54 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:24 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 09:13 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-07 18:21 -0500
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-08 05:07 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:32 -0500
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500

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