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Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests

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David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote
> Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote
>> Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote
>>> Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote
>>>>  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote

>>>>> Quite interesting.  Apple is on the side of privacy.

>>>> Apple is on the side of Apple.  If they were truly on the side
>>>> of privacy, they wouldn't be trying to force iCloud on people.
>>>> Because, you know, the first step in protecting your customer's
>>>> private information is to not collect it in the first place.

>>> What makes you think that Apple is collecting private information on 
>>> people?

>> Other than precisely worded legalese, what makes you think they're
>> *not*?  Upon upgrading to 10.9, Mac users were greeted with the
>> inability to keep structured personal information (e.g., contacts,
>> calendars) in sync across their Apple devices without the use of iCloud.

> The easiest method is iCloud, but you can use a different service, such
> as Google, an Exchange server, or some other service which implements
> CalDAV and CardDAV.

> That can include a server you are running yourself on a computer on your
> own local network, which is not accessible to the Internet if you have
> your router set up correctly.

> Any location other than iCloud means that Apple doesn't have access to
> the server side copy of your data.

> Paranoia about Apple insisting on getting its hands on your personal
> data is not justified.

That's very arguable indeed given that Apple chose not to
allow local usb or wifi anymore.

>> I'm told Windows users are not similarly inconvenienced.

> True: iTunes local sync is still possible on Windows. I haven't
> looked into the technical details, but I expect this is because
> Windows is providing a standard facility which deals with syncing data
> with Outlook (or supported alternatives) from arbitrary sources.

> The reason that iTunes can't do local sync any more with OS X 10.9
> is that Apple removed the Sync Services framework in 10.9. Sync
> Services was responsible for merging data between applications like
> Contacts/Address Book or Calendar/iCal and other local sources like
> iTunes, Entourage/Outlook, BusyCal 1.6 or earlier, Missing Sync or
> earlier Palm-compatible plugins for the iSync application.

> Sync Services worked by holding a reference copy of the last synced
> state, and compared its data with the source that was doing a sync,
> pushing any resulting changes back to the source and out to the
> application which displays the data, such as Contacts or Calendar. If
> conflicts arose such as changes being made on two sources between
> syncs, it would pop up a message asking for the user to resolve the sync.

> Contacts and Calendar have their own local copy of the data, and if
> iCloud or another online service is used, that copy is synced with the
> online service (not using Sync Services).

> Apple had already classified Sync Services as being deprecated
> in Mountain Lion, and in Mavericks they dropped it. The iSync
> application was removed earlier, if I remember right.
 

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Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 08:40 -0700
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-06 11:05 -0600
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 10:50 -0700
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:59 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 11:23 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:29 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 18:33 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 12:13 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 14:20 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 13:35 -0700
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:31 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2013-11-06 23:52 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests billy@MIX.COM - 2013-11-06 22:16 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 19:00 -0500
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:22 -0500
              Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-06 23:30 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 15:41 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 07:55 -0700
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 03:08 +1100
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-07 08:51 -0800
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-07 18:42 -0500
                Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 12:21 +1100
            Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-07 17:23 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:31 +0000
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-07 11:08 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-08 08:58 +1300
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:12 +1100
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-08 11:36 -0600
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:34 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:29 +0000
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500
  Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 01:28 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-07 12:54 +1100
      Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-07 20:24 +0000
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests "Simon Antslinger" <sa1964@nospam.com> - 2013-11-08 09:13 +1100
        Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-07 18:21 -0500
          Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-08 05:07 +0000
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 21:32 -0500
    Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:40 -0500

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