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  Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-17 00:19 +0000
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-17 15:20 +1300
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 18:41 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 13:04 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-16 23:12 -0400
    Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-16 20:26 -0700
      Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-20 12:42 +0200
        Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-25 12:43 -0700
          Re: Mac magazines jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 11:57 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 18:30 +1300
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2013-10-17 07:44 +0100
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-18 09:24 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 15:42 +1300
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-18 19:12 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:48 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-18 19:05 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-18 03:09 -0400
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-18 11:47 -0400
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 19:58 +0000
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-19 10:04 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:50 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:52 -0400
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 20:56 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-18 12:49 -0500

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#3189 — Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?

[crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
Follow-ups to csmm.]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
Cohen) wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> 
> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> of a Mac magazine.

Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

-- 
John Varela

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#3190

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
> Follow-ups to csmm.]
> 
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
> Cohen) wrote:
> 
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > 
> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > of a Mac magazine.
> 
> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

Last I subscribed to was MacAddict, and that was some... eight years
ago? I can't really see the point nowadays. I've bought the odd copy of
Australian and UK MacWorld editions more recently, but the news and
reviews were always way out of date by the time they hit the newsstands.
Some articles were decent though, but not worth the price unless I was
travelling and had no internet access. Magazines have become something I
buy in airports.

Maybe it's also because I'm not a Mac addict any more. The kool aid no
longer affects me - hasn't for years. Now they're just another OS and
hardware company, with a history full of long past nostalgia.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#3196

In article <1law4uk.1f926zjxlceluN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
> > Follow-ups to csmm.]
> > 
> > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
> > Cohen) wrote:
> > 
> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > > 
> > > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > > of a Mac magazine.
> > 
> > Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
> > They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
> > lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> 
> Last I subscribed to was MacAddict, and that was some... eight years
> ago? I can't really see the point nowadays. I've bought the odd copy of
> Australian and UK MacWorld editions more recently, but the news and
> reviews were always way out of date by the time they hit the newsstands.

I'm not a subscriber (partly because the postman will riun the
magazines trying to stuff them in the letterbox!), but I do have a copy
of the UK MacFormat magazine put aside at the locval magazine shop
every month ... BUT they come to New Zealand from England via sea
(unless you want to pay twice the price for airmail copies), so by the
time I read the magazine it's well out of date. I've just collected the
"August 2013" issue, which due to crazy dating systems means it was
sold in shops in mid-July, and therefore printed in early July and so
it was written in June, and I'm reading it in October.



> Some articles were decent though, but not worth the price unless I was
> travelling and had no internet access. Magazines have become something I
> buy in airports.

Many magazines these days come as eZines to read on your computer or
tablet, which helps lessen the time delay for the reviews, etc. Some
alos do daily or weekly updates, although you can also get those to
some degree for free via their website.

Of course, if you've got a fast internet connection and no data cap
worries, then you can just read various websites. I do visit websites
like MacRumors.com regularly, but don't have the time to fully read
everything in complete detail (especially stuff I'm no hugely
interested in), so the magazine comes in handy to fill in some of that.

In the old days of course, the magazines were a great way of getting
free software via the cover disks and CDs. I'm still using a
Photoshop-clone application (under the Classic environment) which I got
for free from a magazine cover floppy disk.  :-)

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#3241

In article <171020131841267075%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1law4uk.1f926zjxlceluN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> 
> > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
> > > Follow-ups to csmm.]
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
> > > Cohen) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > > > 
> > > > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > > > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > > > of a Mac magazine.
> > > 
> > > Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
> > > They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
> > > lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> > 
> > Last I subscribed to was MacAddict, and that was some... eight years
> > ago? I can't really see the point nowadays. I've bought the odd copy of
> > Australian and UK MacWorld editions more recently, but the news and
> > reviews were always way out of date by the time they hit the newsstands.
> 
> I'm not a subscriber (partly because the postman will riun the
> magazines trying to stuff them in the letterbox!), but I do have a copy
> of the UK MacFormat magazine put aside at the locval magazine shop
> every month ... BUT they come to New Zealand from England via sea
> (unless you want to pay twice the price for airmail copies), so by the
> time I read the magazine it's well out of date. I've just collected the
> "August 2013" issue, which due to crazy dating systems means it was
> sold in shops in mid-July, and therefore printed in early July and so
> it was written in June, and I'm reading it in October.

Wow!! *BIG* breaking news!!

My latest issue of MacFormat has just informed me that Apple has "just"
announced at their WWDC a new, redesigned Mac Pro and iOS7 will be
coming "later this year".   ;-)

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#3191

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

who reads paper magazines anymore? they've become thinner and thinner,
more expensive and with more ads.

there are plenty of websites that have little to no ios, and without
having to wait for the magazine to be published. those sites will have
articles about mavericks and the new mac pro next tuesday *afternoon*.

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#3192 — Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?)

On 2013-10-17 00:19:49 +0000, John Varela said:
> 
> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

Does it have to be paper?

I pull RSS feeds from MacNN, 9to5Mac.com, MacRumors.  Actually, between 
the three, there's a lot of duplication and since 9to5 shows up first 
in my reader, I often read things there and then skip over basically 
the same info elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, MacOSXHints, too.

Add in Ars Technica, MacSparky (just found this one), and maybe Pogue's 
blog at NYT, perhaps also toss in Daring Fireball, too.

I dunno why certain folks think RSS is dead.  No way I'd go to all 
those websites every day to see what was going on.  Given a decent 
reader it's trivial to browse through them and pick out the bits and 
pieces I want to read.

Not that Apple ever made a decent reader.  Having RSS feeds into Safari 
was pitiful.  NetNewsWire and Reeder (waiting for the latter to come 
out with another update, btw) both put Apple to shame, as did 
Reader.Google.com.  A pox on Google for killing that off, too.

Happy to hear other recommendations, btw.

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#3225 — Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?)

In article <l3nldq$kb7$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-17 00:19:49 +0000, John Varela said:
> > 
> > Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> > They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> > lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> 
> Does it have to be paper?
> 
> I pull RSS feeds from MacNN, 9to5Mac.com, MacRumors.  Actually, between 
> the three, there's a lot of duplication and since 9to5 shows up first 
> in my reader, I often read things there and then skip over basically 
> the same info elsewhere.
> 
> Oh, yeah, MacOSXHints, too.
> 
> Add in Ars Technica, MacSparky (just found this one), and maybe Pogue's 
> blog at NYT, perhaps also toss in Daring Fireball, too.
> 
> I dunno why certain folks think RSS is dead.  No way I'd go to all 
> those websites every day to see what was going on.  Given a decent 
> reader it's trivial to browse through them and pick out the bits and 
> pieces I want to read.
> 
> Not that Apple ever made a decent reader.  Having RSS feeds into Safari 
> was pitiful.  NetNewsWire and Reeder (waiting for the latter to come 
> out with another update, btw) both put Apple to shame, as did 
> Reader.Google.com.  A pox on Google for killing that off, too.
> 
> Happy to hear other recommendations, btw.

Have you tried Vienna?

<http://www.vienna-rss.org/>

-- 
Paul Sture

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#3239 — Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?)

On 2013-10-20 10:42:36 +0000, Paul Sture said:

> In article <l3nldq$kb7$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>  Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Not that Apple ever made a decent reader.  Having RSS feeds into Safari
>> was pitiful.  NetNewsWire and Reeder (waiting for the latter to come
>> out with another update, btw) both put Apple to shame, as did
>> Reader.Google.com.  A pox on Google for killing that off, too.
>> 
>> Happy to hear other recommendations, btw.
> 
> Have you tried Vienna?
> 
> <http://www.vienna-rss.org/>

Thanks.

I tried it a couple of years ago.

At this point, I only want one that can sync.  With Google Reader gone, I am
using Feedly and Reeder 2 (iOS) works with that.  The Reeder guy is supposedly
getting ready to release a new OS X one. Until then, I'm making do with the
Feedly website which, actually, really isn't bad at all.

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#3240 — Re: Mac magazines

Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-20 10:42:36 +0000, Paul Sture said:
> 
> > In article <l3nldq$kb7$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >  Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Not that Apple ever made a decent reader.  Having RSS feeds into Safari
> >> was pitiful.  NetNewsWire and Reeder (waiting for the latter to come
> >> out with another update, btw) both put Apple to shame, as did
> >> Reader.Google.com.  A pox on Google for killing that off, too.
> >> 
> >> Happy to hear other recommendations, btw.
> > 
> > Have you tried Vienna?
> > 
> > <http://www.vienna-rss.org/>
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I tried it a couple of years ago.
> 
> At this point, I only want one that can sync.  With Google Reader gone, I am
> using Feedly and Reeder 2 (iOS) works with that.  The Reeder guy is supposedly
> getting ready to release a new OS X one. Until then, I'm making do with the
> Feedly website which, actually, really isn't bad at all.

You could always keep Vienna's App Support folder synced acoss multiple
Macs via Dropbox using symbolic links. But yeah - there are better apps
if you want to sync your RSS feeds from device to device, and RSS app to
app cross-platform.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#3195

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
> Follow-ups to csmm.]
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
> Cohen) wrote:
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > 
> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > of a Mac magazine.
> 
> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

I've always found MacWorld (US and Australian versions) to be rather
dismal and boring, with far too many adverts and low-quality paper and
style.

The UK magazine MacFormat is probably the best Mac magazine.
http://macformat.com

It does include some iOS reviews and news to some degree, but they
spun-off a separate magazine called Tap! to be their fully iOS
magazine.

The magazine is available as a hard copy or as an eZine readable on
your Mac (via Zinio.com) or iPad (via the AppStore). It might be
difficult to find in American magazine shops, but you can subscribe.
Subscribers also get access to their PDF archive (although it only goes
back as far as issue 200 and they up to about issue 265).

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#3198

On 2013-10-17 05:30:56 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
>> Follow-ups to csmm.]
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
>> Cohen) wrote:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
>>>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
>>>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
>>>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
>>> 
>>> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
>>> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
>>> of a Mac magazine.
>> 
>> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
>> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
>> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> 
> I've always found MacWorld (US and Australian versions) to be rather
> dismal and boring, with far too many adverts and low-quality paper and
> style.

The UK version mostly just repeats articles from the US version, even 
when they are quite US-centric. They tend to update the prices but that 
is about it.

I'm still a subscriber, but I doubt for much longer.

> 
> The UK magazine MacFormat is probably the best Mac magazine.
> http://macformat.com
> 
> It does include some iOS reviews and news to some degree, but they
> spun-off a separate magazine called Tap! to be their fully iOS
> magazine.

Tap! closed down recently. I never did see the reason why, but it 
seemed very expensive.

-- 
Chris

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#3206

In article <l3o10l$im$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com>
wrote:

> On 2013-10-17 05:30:56 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
> > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
> > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
> >> Follow-ups to csmm.]
> >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
> >> Cohen) wrote:
> >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> >>>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> >>>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> >>>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> >>> 
> >>> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> >>> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> >>> of a Mac magazine.
> >> 
> >> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> >> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> >> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> > 
> > I've always found MacWorld (US and Australian versions) to be rather
> > dismal and boring, with far too many adverts and low-quality paper and
> > style.
> 
> The UK version mostly just repeats articles from the US version, even 
> when they are quite US-centric. They tend to update the prices but that 
> is about it.

So does the Australian version.

Mind you that's better than the JB Hi-Fi stores' free magazine - the
New Zealand version copies parts of the Australian one, and the
introduction often talks about bits they've cut out or left for a later
issue or repeated bits from previous issues (although it does seem to
have been better recently).   :-\

I think part of MacWorld's problem is that it takes itself far too
seriously and is trying (and failing) to be a high-brow, intellectual
magazine. MacFormat on the other hand has a sense of humour and fun
about it (as did the Amiga Format magazine by the same publishing
company - I still have a box load of those in the cupboard).




> I'm still a subscriber, but I doubt for much longer.
> 
> 
> > The UK magazine MacFormat is probably the best Mac magazine.
> > http://macformat.com
> > 
> > It does include some iOS reviews and news to some degree, but they
> > spun-off a separate magazine called Tap! to be their fully iOS
> > magazine.
> 
> Tap! closed down recently. I never did see the reason why, but it 
> seemed very expensive.

Thanks, I hadn't heard that yet. I don't think I've ever seen it in
shops here and I've never read it, just the ocassional mention or the
free (extract?) early copy in MacFormat.

The price depends on exchange rates where you are and whether it's air
freighted or sea shipped. My copy of MacFormat at one point was costing
NZ$28 per month, but has now dropped down to only NZ$15.

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#3212

Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-17 05:30:56 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
> > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
> > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
> >> Follow-ups to csmm.]
> >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
> >> Cohen) wrote:
> >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> >>>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> >>>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> >>>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> >>> 
> >>> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> >>> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> >>> of a Mac magazine.
> >> 
> >> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> >> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> >> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> > 
> > I've always found MacWorld (US and Australian versions) to be rather
> > dismal and boring, with far too many adverts and low-quality paper and
> > style.
> 
> The UK version mostly just repeats articles from the US version, even
> when they are quite US-centric. They tend to update the prices but that
> is about it.
> 
> I'm still a subscriber, but I doubt for much longer.
> 
> > 
> > The UK magazine MacFormat is probably the best Mac magazine.
> > http://macformat.com
> > 
> > It does include some iOS reviews and news to some degree, but they
> > spun-off a separate magazine called Tap! to be their fully iOS
> > magazine.
> 
> Tap! closed down recently. I never did see the reason why, but it 
> seemed very expensive.

I forgot about MacFormat - used to sub back in the 90's - was a quality
magazine. Better than MacWorld IMO.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#3214

In article <1lay0rd.18o3dmg1yoz5e7N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2013-10-17 05:30:56 +0000, Your Name said:
> > 
> > > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kFRHQzitbMjq@localhost>, John Varela
> > > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
> > >> Follow-ups to csmm.]
> > >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
> > >> Cohen) wrote:
> > >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > >>>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > >>>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > >>>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > >>> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > >>> of a Mac magazine.
> > >> 
> > >> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> > >> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> > >> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> > > 
> > > I've always found MacWorld (US and Australian versions) to be rather
> > > dismal and boring, with far too many adverts and low-quality paper and
> > > style.
> > 
> > The UK version mostly just repeats articles from the US version, even
> > when they are quite US-centric. They tend to update the prices but that
> > is about it.
> > 
> > I'm still a subscriber, but I doubt for much longer.
> > 
> > > 
> > > The UK magazine MacFormat is probably the best Mac magazine.
> > > http://macformat.com
> > > 
> > > It does include some iOS reviews and news to some degree, but they
> > > spun-off a separate magazine called Tap! to be their fully iOS
> > > magazine.
> > 
> > Tap! closed down recently. I never did see the reason why, but it 
> > seemed very expensive.
> 
> I forgot about MacFormat - used to sub back in the 90's - was a quality
> magazine. Better than MacWorld IMO.

The quality of the tech-answer pages went down a bit for a while when
they brought in a new guy. He was a typical dimbulb Windows user who
thought he was being funny and clever, and often didn't even answer the
actual question. Thankfully he has gotten better, but still manages to
miss the blatantly obvious from time to time.

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#3207

On 2013.10.16 20:19 , John Varela wrote:
> [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
> Follow-ups to csmm.]
>
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
> Cohen) wrote:
>
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
>>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
>>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
>>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
>>
>> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
>> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
>> of a Mac magazine.
>
> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

The WWW.

When I bought my first iMac I got a few months of MacWorld for free.  I 
thought it nice and then subscribed for a year.  But the useful unknown 
tips per issue ratio fell to a point where it wasn't worth opening them 
anymore so I didn't renew.

Between 9to5Mac, Macrumours, Macworld's own site and many more I'm more 
up to date (or can find something needed) much quicker than wading 
through a magazine that is mainly dedicated to selling add space.

Not to mention of course the avoidance of paper waste and the fossil 
fuel emissions and energy in printing the magazine and shipping it.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#3213

In article <YcydnfZJIYmwxv3PnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.16 20:19 , John Varela wrote:
> > [crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system.
> > Follow-ups to csmm.]
> > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel
> > Cohen) wrote:
> >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> >>> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> >>> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> >>> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> >>
> >> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> >> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> >> of a Mac magazine.
> >
> > Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> > They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> > lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?
> 
> The WWW.
> 
> When I bought my first iMac I got a few months of MacWorld for free.  I 
> thought it nice and then subscribed for a year.  But the useful unknown 
> tips per issue ratio fell to a point where it wasn't worth opening them 
> anymore so I didn't renew.
> 
> Between 9to5Mac, Macrumours, Macworld's own site and many more I'm more 
> up to date (or can find something needed) much quicker than wading 
> through a magazine that is mainly dedicated to selling add space.
> 
> Not to mention of course the avoidance of paper waste and the fossil 
> fuel emissions and energy in printing the magazine and shipping it.

Paper waste?? What paper waste? 

I keep all my magazines - I've got a boxload of old Amiga Format
magazines and almost every issue of MacFormat monthly magazine from
about issue 2 through to the current issue (in New Zealand) number 263.
I've also got all the cover disks and CDs for them. Plus all the other
one-off magazines I've ever bought.

An electronic magazine / website probably creates more waste and
environmentally damage than a paper one due to manufacture of the
storage space, generating the electricity to keep it accessible, etc.

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#3215

In article <181020131905310157%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> An electronic magazine / website probably creates more waste and
> environmentally damage than a paper one due to manufacture of the
> storage space, generating the electricity to keep it accessible, etc.

you are delusional.

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#3216

In article <181020131905310157%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> An electronic magazine / website probably creates more waste and
> environmentally damage than a paper one due to manufacture of the
> storage space, generating the electricity to keep it accessible, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but do you have any references to 
back this up?

It seems similar to the debate over electric cars. A provocative article 
from the IEEE claims they are worse than gasoline for overall pollutions:

Unclean At Any Speed
<http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/unclean-at-any-speed>

-- 
Merely corroborative detail intended to lend artistic verisimilitude to 
an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
     --Gilbert and Sullivan, The Mikado

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#3218

In message <fmoore-73C9F7.11475918102013@mx05.eternal-september.org> 
  Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> In article <181020131905310157%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> An electronic magazine / website probably creates more waste and
>> environmentally damage than a paper one due to manufacture of the
>> storage space, generating the electricity to keep it accessible, etc.

> I don't necessarily disagree with you,

I do. It's absurd on its face.

>but do you have any references to back this up?

Of course not.

-- 
Generalizations are always inaccurate.

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#3219

In article <fmoore-73C9F7.11475918102013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> In article <181020131905310157%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > An electronic magazine / website probably creates more waste and
> > environmentally damage than a paper one due to manufacture of the
> > storage space, generating the electricity to keep it accessible, etc.
> 
> I don't necessarily disagree with you, but do you have any references to 
> back this up?
> 
> It seems similar to the debate over electric cars. A provocative article 
> from the IEEE claims they are worse than gasoline for overall pollutions:
> 
> Unclean At Any Speed
> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/unclean-at-any-speed>

Despite what hardened, blinkered "Greenies" like to fool themselves
into believing, most ways of mass producing electricity are inherently
"unclean" and environmentally damaging. That includes nuclear power
which has toxic waste products that sit around for thousands of years
and hydro schemes which block rivers and flood large areas of land.

Even many of the "clean" methods (if you ignore making the devices,
installing the wires, etc.) at the very least create a visual mess, for
example "wind farms" with lots of ugly massive fans or "solar farms"
with acres of ugly solar panels both cluttering the landscape.

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