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/dev/tcp

Started byEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
First post2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
Last post2026-08-29 18:15 +0100
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  /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:53 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:42 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 00:59 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 03:59 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 10:10 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:15 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 23:30 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 01:18 +0100
              Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 09:52 +0200
                Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 08:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 11:16 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:57 +0000
                      Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-22 06:17 +0200
                        Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-30 17:56 +0100
                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 21:50 -0400
                Re: /dev/tcp Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-08-24 17:42 +0300
                  Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 23:53 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:27 -0400
              Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 00:56 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-23 04:01 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 03:37 -0400
                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:50 +0200
                      Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 22:28 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:35 +0200
                          Overwriting with random data (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:10 +0100
                            Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:34 +0200
                              Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:57 +0100
                                Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 22:26 +0200
                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:39 -0400
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 08:45 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:39 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-26 18:08 +0000
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:49 +0000
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:59 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:19 +0100
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:36 +0200
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:19 +0100
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:34 +0000
                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:52 -0400
                                                Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:11 +0100
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 08:32 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 11:37 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:44 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:25 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:30 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:59 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 01:57 -0400
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:11 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 05:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:12 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:56 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:43 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 20:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-28 21:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:25 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 11:19 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-02 19:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-02 20:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 22:22 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-03 02:53 +0000
                                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:28 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:51 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:09 -0400
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:52 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 15:10 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-30 08:58 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:47 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:56 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 14:17 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 16:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 21:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 13:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-20 15:54 +0200
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:58 +0000
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:53 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:12 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:09 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:52 +0100
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:02 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:48 +0000
                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:37 -0400
                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:31 -0400
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:45 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:52 +0100
                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:50 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 13:50 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 13:02 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:26 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:48 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:44 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-29 23:05 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-30 00:58 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-30 04:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-30 09:25 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 11:00 +0100
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:54 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:34 +0100
                      Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:08 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 10:25 +0100
                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 19:19 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-05 22:38 +0000
                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:40 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:16 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:38 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:19 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-06 18:54 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-06 23:27 -0400
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:54 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-07 03:52 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 00:12 -0400
                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 12:00 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:34 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:23 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:45 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-07 22:24 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:48 +0000
                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:52 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:46 +0100
                                                [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 10:28 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:32 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-08 20:38 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/economy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:48 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:41 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:52 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:34 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:28 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:26 +0100
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:22 +0000
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:37 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:46 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:19 -0400
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:25 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:25 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:36 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:05 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:49 -0400
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:59 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 04:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:49 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:33 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:43 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:05 +0200
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:37 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:31 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:38 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:26 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:10 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 01:00 -0400
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:55 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:32 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:44 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 21:05 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 03:47 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:18 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:22 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:44 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:13 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:26 +0100
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:07 +0200
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:35 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:24 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:36 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:01 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:52 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:23 +0100
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:22 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 20:58 +0200
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:32 +0200
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 12:03 +0200
                                                                          [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 00:43 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:45 +0100
                                                                                [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:37 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 19:33 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-09-13 17:30 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 22:05 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 03:19 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 23:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 02:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:09 +0200
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:13 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:05 +0000
                                                                  [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:11 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-13 14:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:48 -0400
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:59 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:27 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 00:22 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 07:51 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 09:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:21 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:02 -0400
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 08:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:51 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:39 +0000
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 19:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:54 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:20 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 11:06 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:56 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:01 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:42 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:26 +0200
                                                                                              [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:18 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:51 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:25 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:13 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:26 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:24 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:32 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:17 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:35 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:59 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:16 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 17:50 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 19:55 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 01:10 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 23:19 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:54 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:14 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 08:29 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 10:53 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 13:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:29 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 22:01 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 23:41 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 04:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:13 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:22 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:05 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:11 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:16 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 07:16 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:43 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:32 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:51 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:06 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:24 -0400
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:55 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 22:19 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:57 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:02 +0000
                                                                                                        [OT] Washington Treaty of 1949 (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:58 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:02 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:21 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:53 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:34 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-16 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:05 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 01:52 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:48 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 00:37 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                    [OT] /dev/middle-east (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/middle-east The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:45 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 23:25 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 21:03 -0400
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 23:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 02:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 02:14 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 20:59 -0400
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:56 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:48 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:56 +0000
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:28 +0200
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:04 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:33 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:23 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:01 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:29 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:03 +0200
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
                                                                                            [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:35 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:09 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:53 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:31 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:42 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:33 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:30 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:47 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:54 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:03 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:07 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:06 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:29 +0100
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:20 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:26 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:29 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 00:58 -0400
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:19 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:27 +0100
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-09 04:25 +0000
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:43 -0400
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:31 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:12 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:32 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:31 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 22:20 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:05 +0000
                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:51 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:34 +0100
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:59 +0100
                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:18 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:35 -0400
                  Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:06 +0100
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:54 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:57 -0400
            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-22 21:47 +0200
              The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-22 23:50 +0000
                Re: The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 04:28 -0400
                Re: The hammer is best Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 10:14 +0100
                  Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:55 +0200
                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:16 +0100
                      Re: The hammer is best Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-23 21:20 +0200
                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:26 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:06 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:18 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:51 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best Joed Oakes <lost@noway.home.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:42 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:56 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:25 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:14 +0000
                        Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:50 +0200
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:56 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:53 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 06:42 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 23:34 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:08 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:29 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:52 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:19 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:29 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:03 +0000
                                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:31 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 22:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:28 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:07 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:39 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:23 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:05 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:43 +0200
                                      Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 23:14 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:08 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:38 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:22 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:26 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 00:00 -0400
                                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:44 -0400
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:49 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:20 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:23 -0400
                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 22:16 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:41 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:58 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:28 -0400
            ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-24 13:56 +0100
              Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh (was: /dev/tcp)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 14:57 +0000
                Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 13:26 +0100
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:49 +0000
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:35 -0400
              Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 21:08 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 21:28 +0000
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:29 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:41 +0000
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:43 +0100
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 01:11 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-25 13:25 +0100
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:58 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-26 13:34 +0100
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:40 -0400
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:40 -0400
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:40 +0000
              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:25 -0400
                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:52 +0000
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:03 +0000
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:04 -0400
                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:00 +0000
                          Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:17 -0400
                            Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 15:22 +0000
                              Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 17:55 +0100
                                Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:14 -0400
                                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:48 +0100
                              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:43 -0400
                                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:17 +0000
                                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:18 -0400
                                    Re: ksh Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 15:54 +0000
                                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:40 +0000
                                      Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:14 +0100
                                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:12 +0000
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:35 -0400
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:17 +0000
                Re: ksh Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-08-25 09:56 +0200
                  Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:24 +0200
                    Re: ksh Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-25 20:36 +0200
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:04 +0200
                          Re: ksh Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:03 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:50 -0400
                    Re: ksh Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:38 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0000
                      Re: ksh "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:26 +0200
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:43 -0400
                  Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:01 +0000
                    Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 01:32 +0200
                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:46 -0400
                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:25 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:22 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:57 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-23 06:37 -0700
      Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 14:49 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:13 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:31 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:08 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 00:52 +0100
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:14 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 19:06 +0100
            [OT] Weather Underground (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 08:58 +0100
              Re: [OT] Weather Underground David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 18:15 +0100

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#91182

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-08 09:31 +0100
Message-ID<117oh5f$jrq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91167
On 07/09/2026 22:24, Pancho wrote:
> Externally it appears there is little difference between Republican and 
> Democrat. Money controls important policy. The main party differences 
> are social issues. They let the little people argue about woke, 
> abortion, immigration, but the important economic stuff is locked down, 
> the same for both parties.
> 
> Is that fair, or are their real differences?

Pretty fair.


-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#91170

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-07 22:20 -0400
Message-ID<ztGcnfAgCLBk7QL3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91159
On 9/7/26 07:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/09/2026 05:12, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/6/26 23:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-06, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/09/2026 02:38, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/26 14:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/09/2026 10:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People believe in all sorts of things, doesn’t make them true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does in the New Left Mind, sadly
>>>>>
>>>>>     And you SHALL believe what they say - or off to
>>>>>     the re-education camp, if you're that lucky.
>>>>
>>>> Both sides will shoot you for speaking out.
>>>> Recently that seems to be more the Left than the Right. Anne 
>>>> Widdecombe.
>>>> Charlie Kirk.
>>>>
>>>> Long time since Andreas Breivik...
>>>
>>> On the other hand, consider the Minneapolis killings.
>>
>>    Which ONES ???
>>
>>    'Blue' states are kinda anarchy.
>>
>>    Of course, once the anarchy has done its
>>    damage, the commies will step in hard to
>>    "save" everyone ......
>>
> According to the Youtube video I watched there aren't really any 'red 
> states' left.

   Yes, a lot.

> Trumps approval rating is at an all time low


   Reading lefty 'news' I see :-)

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#91175

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-08 05:05 +0000
Message-ID<ng9jdbFkdeqU20@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91170
On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 22:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>> Trumps approval rating is at an all time low
> 
> 
>    Reading lefty 'news' I see

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/warning-signs-abound-trumps-
republicans-midterm-campaign-begins-final-sprint-2026-09-07/

Reuters is dead center. 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/09/rumblings-fox-news-fired-maria-
bartiromo-after-they/

There are many rumors about why she was canned including that Faux News is 
distancing itself from Trump.

Opening the door for cheap beef imports from Argentina didn't do much for 
him in this state. The Reps up for election are bobbing and weaving. 
Expensive gas and diesel doesn't help either. Well, expensive everything. 
Inflation is out of control and he wants the Fed to lower the rates?

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#91179

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-08 01:51 -0400
Message-ID<0qCcnSAVfYmgPwL3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91175
On 9/8/26 01:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 22:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>> Trumps approval rating is at an all time low
>>
>>
>>     Reading lefty 'news' I see
> 
> https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/warning-signs-abound-trumps-
> republicans-midterm-campaign-begins-final-sprint-2026-09-07/
> 
> Reuters is dead center.


   Um ... not even close anymore.


> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/09/rumblings-fox-news-fired-maria-
> bartiromo-after-they/
> 
> There are many rumors about why she was canned including that Faux News is
> distancing itself from Trump.
> 
> Opening the door for cheap beef imports from Argentina didn't do much for
> him in this state. The Reps up for election are bobbing and weaving.
> Expensive gas and diesel doesn't help either. Well, expensive everything.
> Inflation is out of control and he wants the Fed to lower the rates?

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#91184

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-08 09:34 +0100
Message-ID<117ohb1$jrq$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91170
On 08/09/2026 03:20, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/7/26 07:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/09/2026 05:12, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/6/26 23:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-06, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/09/2026 02:38, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/5/26 14:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/09/2026 10:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People believe in all sorts of things, doesn’t make them true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does in the New Left Mind, sadly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And you SHALL believe what they say - or off to
>>>>>>     the re-education camp, if you're that lucky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both sides will shoot you for speaking out.
>>>>> Recently that seems to be more the Left than the Right. Anne 
>>>>> Widdecombe.
>>>>> Charlie Kirk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long time since Andreas Breivik...
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, consider the Minneapolis killings.
>>>
>>>    Which ONES ???
>>>
>>>    'Blue' states are kinda anarchy.
>>>
>>>    Of course, once the anarchy has done its
>>>    damage, the commies will step in hard to
>>>    "save" everyone ......
>>>
>> According to the Youtube video I watched there aren't really any 'red 
>> states' left.
> 
>    Yes, a lot.
> 
>> Trumps approval rating is at an all time low
> 
> 
>    Reading lefty 'news' I see :-)
> 
Not really. I am if anything fairly right wing.

But Trump is not a conservative.

-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#91158

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-07 11:59 +0100
Message-ID<117m5dr$35vc1$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91150
On 07/09/2026 04:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-06, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 06/09/2026 02:38, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/5/26 14:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2026 10:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> People believe in all sorts of things, doesn’t make them true.
>>>>
>>>> It does in the New Left Mind, sadly
>>>
>>>     And you SHALL believe what they say - or off to
>>>     the re-education camp, if you're that lucky.
>>
>> Both sides will shoot you for speaking out.
>> Recently that seems to be more the Left than the Right. Anne Widdecombe.
>> Charlie Kirk.
>>
>> Long time since Andreas Breivik...
> 
> On the other hand, consider the Minneapolis killings.
> 
That wasn't really targeted political assassination by individuals or 
anti-government agencies so much as a bunch of dumb thugs employed by 
the government cocking things up beyond belief.


-- 
     “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the 
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most 
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of 
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which 
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by 
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

     ― Leo Tolstoy

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#91164

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-07 19:18 +0000
Message-ID<ng8gvvFkdeqU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91158
On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 11:59:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> That wasn't really targeted political assassination by individuals or
> anti-government agencies so much as a bunch of dumb thugs employed by
> the government cocking things up beyond belief.

The thugs and the screeching lesbians that drove for hours to get one 
killed deserved each other.

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#91133

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-05 21:35 -0400
Message-ID<i52cnZ0STbHuXgH3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91120
On 9/5/26 05:08, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 31-08-2026, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
>>>
>>> I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
>>> everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
>>> after that.
>>
>> status=progress is not that option.
> 
> Before using that option, I used no option, and when dd finished I had
> to "grep Dirty /proc/meminfo" to try to guess when I was able to remove
> my usb stick. Then one day I saw someone using that option. And now, I'm
> using it myself, so dd takes more time to finish and I never had any
> issue removing my usb stick once it finished.
> 
> Maybe I'm the luckiest guy on earth, or there is a side effect which
> makes it work, one day it won't work as expected. But right now, having
> created dozens of usb sticks with that option, it never failed me.

   'dd' is perfectly good - but you DO have to be careful.
   There's a reason it earned the nickname "Disk Destroyer" :-)

   "status=progress" is the best way to get a good bead on
   when it's REALLY done. Alas the bigger the buffer/block
   the easier it is to THINK it's done before it's really
   done. S=P is a big help - but I always gave it an extra
   minute or two even when progress SAID it was done. No
   probs.

   The biggest prob with 'dd' to copy disks is in that it
   wants to copy an ENTIRE one, even if it's 95% blank space.
   Utils that can do 'sparse' easily are MUCH better.


>>> I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
>>> option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't
>>> terminate before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I
>>> can remove it.
>>
>> status=progress does not guarantee that data is on the USB stick before
>> dd terminates. I have no idea why you would think it does.
> 
> Because it works. That helps believing in it. Before adding that option,
> dd finished well faster, with that option, it takes more time to finish
> and I never had any issue with usb sticks created in that way. So, that
> helps believing there is a relation between the option and the expected
> result.

   A "little slower", but SURE, is always better.


>> dd only turns
>> on synchronization options, or adds synchronization syscalls, if you
>> explicitly tell it to do so, and status=progress is not one of the
>> options that does that.
> 
> Maybe, but it's a really good imitation.
> 

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#90897

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-30 13:06 +0100
Message-ID<wwvecffyfqo.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#90873
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> writes:
> Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
>> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
>> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
>> catch that case, too.
>
> From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it appears
> that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.

AFAICS Linux’s sync(2) flushes block devices as well (it calls
sync_bdevs a couple of times).

I can’t speak for other platforms.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#90281

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-21 13:54 +0100
Message-ID<1169hp9$9sqa$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90219
On 20/08/2026 18:02, c186282 wrote:
> Other odd Linux tricks - how many know you can
>    read/write to a disk drive that has no file
>    system ?
Of course. Done all the time with floppies

Just write to the raw device.

After all, at some level some part of Linux has to do that anyway even 
if it is writing to a file.


-- 
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out 
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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#90314

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-21 22:57 -0400
Message-ID<36ucnepaq_p9khT3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90281
On 8/21/26 08:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 18:02, c186282 wrote:
>> Other odd Linux tricks - how many know you can
>>    read/write to a disk drive that has no file
>>    system ?
> Of course. Done all the time with floppies
> 
> Just write to the raw device.
> 
> After all, at some level some part of Linux has to do that anyway even 
> if it is writing to a file.

   It used to be popular for holding the max amount
   of binary data - no space wasted with the file
   system setup.

   A few years back I leveraged it for a disk-wipe
   program. Problem was that disks have become SO
   huge ... had to use M$ 128/256-bit var classes to
   access the whole thing.

   E-Disks ... can't REALLY wipe 'em alas. There
   are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
   gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
   way - HAMMER  :-)

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#90353

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-22 21:47 +0200
Message-ID<fvaplmx3co.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#90314
On 2026-08-22 04:57, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/21/26 08:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/08/2026 18:02, c186282 wrote:
>>> Other odd Linux tricks - how many know you can
>>>    read/write to a disk drive that has no file
>>>    system ?
>> Of course. Done all the time with floppies
>>
>> Just write to the raw device.
>>
>> After all, at some level some part of Linux has to do that anyway even 
>> if it is writing to a file.
> 
>    It used to be popular for holding the max amount
>    of binary data - no space wasted with the file
>    system setup.
> 
>    A few years back I leveraged it for a disk-wipe
>    program. Problem was that disks have become SO
>    huge ... had to use M$ 128/256-bit var classes to
>    access the whole thing.
> 
>    E-Disks ... can't REALLY wipe 'em alas. There
>    are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>    gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>    way - HAMMER  :-)

Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#90363 — The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp)

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2026-08-22 23:50 +0000
SubjectThe hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp)
Message-ID<116dcl1$3hva0$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#90353
In article <fvaplmx3co.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>,
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
...
>>   are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>>   gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>>   way - HAMMER :-)
>
>Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.

Hammer is better, because encryption can be worked around by holding a gun
to the head of the person who knows the encryption key.

But a hammer is forever.

-- 
Trump has normalized hate.

The media has normalized Trump.

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#90378 — Re: The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-23 04:28 -0400
SubjectRe: The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp)
Message-ID<j72cnbBzwudjMxf3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90363
On 8/22/26 19:50, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <fvaplmx3co.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>,
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> ...
>>>    are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>>>    gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>>>    way - HAMMER :-)
>>
>> Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.
> 
> Hammer is better, because encryption can be worked around by holding a gun
> to the head of the person who knows the encryption key.

   Usually they'll write it on a Post-It and stick
   it to their monitor :-)

   Also, encryption is only really great if someone
   physically STEALS yer disk - pretty rare. If yer
   system is up and the drives unlocked then they
   can spy and steal from those far more easily.

> But a hammer is forever.

   Yep !

   When I retired I had like 25 old mag drives -
   a VERY heavy box full.

   First ran a wipe app I'd writ on them.

   Then ...

   Took 'em to The Shop, drill press ... put a
   half-inch hole through the top and platters.

   More than Good Enough.

   DID hate wasting all those neo magnets though ...
   and HAD removed them from many drives. But, it was
   bail-out time, so Rude & Crude ........

   A "cold chisel" and a big hammer works too.

   Still have a few 'mobiles' of HDD platters  :-)

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#90379 — Re: The hammer is best

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-23 10:14 +0100
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<wwvmrudkxkf.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#90363
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> ...
>>>   are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>>>   gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>>>   way - HAMMER :-)
>>
>> Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.
>
> Hammer is better, because encryption can be worked around by holding a
> gun to the head of the person who knows the encryption key.

My backup drives are encrypted. In principle they could be stolen from
here, from an offsite location or in transit and if that happens I won’t
have the opportunity to destroy it.

The chances that someone would threaten my life or liberty over it are
negligible, but if they did, they wouldn’t need to wait for a device to
be disposed of, they’d just turn up at my door with a weapon, RIPA
notice or other leverage.

Physical destruction is not really relevant for most of the lifetime of
confidential data, and encryption does actually achieve something useful
in realistic use cases.

High value data is protected by keys that no human knows.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#90389 — Re: The hammer is best

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-23 13:55 +0200
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<gm3rlmxqg4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#90379
On 2026-08-23 11:14, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> ...
>>>>    are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>>>>    gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>>>>    way - HAMMER :-)
>>>
>>> Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.
>>
>> Hammer is better, because encryption can be worked around by holding a
>> gun to the head of the person who knows the encryption key.
> 
> My backup drives are encrypted. In principle they could be stolen from
> here, from an offsite location or in transit and if that happens I won’t
> have the opportunity to destroy it.

Exactly.

And in the typical business case, hammering of disks is not often done. 
Hard disks are simply repurposed, recycled, sold... usually zeroing them 
first. Encryption protects the case when zeroing is forgotten, or the 
disk breaks before that. Encryption protects against such accidents.


> 
> The chances that someone would threaten my life or liberty over it are
> negligible, but if they did, they wouldn’t need to wait for a device to
> be disposed of, they’d just turn up at my door with a weapon, RIPA
> notice or other leverage.
> 
> Physical destruction is not really relevant for most of the lifetime of
> confidential data, and encryption does actually achieve something useful
> in realistic use cases.
> 
> High value data is protected by keys that no human knows.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#90392 — Re: The hammer is best

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-23 13:16 +0100
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<116eoal$1sako$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90389
On 23/08/2026 12:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-23 11:14, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>    are hidden buffers plus the wear-leveling scheme
>>>>>    gets in the way. You wipe 'em the Hillary Clinton
>>>>>    way - HAMMER :-)
>>>>
>>>> Instead, use encryption, on the device or the partitions.
>>>
>>> Hammer is better, because encryption can be worked around by holding a
>>> gun to the head of the person who knows the encryption key.
>>
>> My backup drives are encrypted. In principle they could be stolen from
>> here, from an offsite location or in transit and if that happens I won’t
>> have the opportunity to destroy it.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> And in the typical business case, hammering of disks is not often done. 

It is UNIVERSALLY done in the UK.
Insurance will be voided, contracts lost  and people will get fired if 
it is not.

The big sources of usable hardware are BIG corporates - banks, insurance 
companies, travel agencies... they dump a thousand machines a year to 
recycling companies who sign in blood that the disk will be CRUSHED.

> Hard disks are simply repurposed, recycled, sold... usually zeroing them 
> first. Encryption protects the case when zeroing is forgotten, or the 
> disk breaks before that. Encryption protects against such accidents.
> 
No, they are not. Not by corporations. Some Mickey Mouse companies with 
nothing worth stealing might...


-- 
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

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#90410 — Re: The hammer is best

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us>
Date2026-08-23 21:20 +0200
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<116fh62$kokl$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#90392
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 23/08/2026 12:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Hard disks are simply repurposed, recycled, sold... usually zeroing them 
>> first. Encryption protects the case when zeroing is forgotten, or the 
>> disk breaks before that. Encryption protects against such accidents.
>> 
>No, they are not. Not by corporations. Some Mickey Mouse companies with 
>nothing worth stealing might...

Corporations still act on the customs of the 2000 years because using
their brains costs money that doesn't land in budgets where the money
to destroy disks is already booked.

Greetings
Marc
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#90434 — Re: The hammer is best

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-24 02:18 -0400
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<l9icnfXKBY35fxb3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90410
On 8/23/26 15:20, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 23/08/2026 12:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Hard disks are simply repurposed, recycled, sold... usually zeroing them
>>> first. Encryption protects the case when zeroing is forgotten, or the
>>> disk breaks before that. Encryption protects against such accidents.
>>>
>> No, they are not. Not by corporations. Some Mickey Mouse companies with
>> nothing worth stealing might...
> 
> Corporations still act on the customs of the 2000 years because using
> their brains costs money that doesn't land in budgets where the money
> to destroy disks is already booked.

   Ummmm ???

   Anyway, unless yer the CIA, ONE good whack with
   a ball-peen WILL ruin those HDDs. Quick and cheap.

   "Bang Bang Hillry's silver hammer cam down upon
   those phones" :-)

   SSDs ? Maybe TWO whacks. A "stun gun" applied
   to the pins will surely do it too. Sparky Sparky,
   no more chips.

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#90450 — Re: The hammer is best

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-24 11:26 +0100
SubjectRe: The hammer is best
Message-ID<116h683$2o5cd$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90410
On 23/08/2026 20:20, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 23/08/2026 12:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Hard disks are simply repurposed, recycled, sold... usually zeroing them
>>> first. Encryption protects the case when zeroing is forgotten, or the
>>> disk breaks before that. Encryption protects against such accidents.
>>>
>> No, they are not. Not by corporations. Some Mickey Mouse companies with
>> nothing worth stealing might...
> 
> Corporations still act on the customs of the 2000 years because using
> their brains costs money that doesn't land in budgets where the money
> to destroy disks is already booked.
> 
No., They have the wisdom of age.
Crushing a disk loses maybe $20. Having a disks data stolen could cots 
them $billions
There is no way to be assured other than by doing $10,000 worth of 
testing that a disks data has completely been destroyed beyond foresnic 
recovery, but if the disk is crushed there is certainty.

Likewise the audit trails to determine whether or not the disk held any 
sensitive data or not are expensive to maintain and even more to trace.


$20 is a small price to pay for certainty


> Greetings
> Marc

-- 
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all 
private property.

Karl Marx

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