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/dev/tcp

Started byEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
First post2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
Last post2026-08-29 18:15 +0100
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  /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:53 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:42 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 00:59 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 03:59 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 10:10 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:15 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 23:30 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 01:18 +0100
              Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 09:52 +0200
                Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 08:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 11:16 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:57 +0000
                      Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-22 06:17 +0200
                        Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-30 17:56 +0100
                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 21:50 -0400
                Re: /dev/tcp Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-08-24 17:42 +0300
                  Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 23:53 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:27 -0400
              Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 00:56 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-23 04:01 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 03:37 -0400
                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:50 +0200
                      Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 22:28 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:35 +0200
                          Overwriting with random data (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:10 +0100
                            Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:34 +0200
                              Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:57 +0100
                                Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 22:26 +0200
                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:39 -0400
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 08:45 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:39 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-26 18:08 +0000
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:49 +0000
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:59 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:19 +0100
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:36 +0200
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:19 +0100
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:34 +0000
                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:52 -0400
                                                Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:11 +0100
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 08:32 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 11:37 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:44 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:25 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:30 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:59 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 01:57 -0400
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:11 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 05:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:12 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:56 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:43 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 20:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-28 21:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:25 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 11:19 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-02 19:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-02 20:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 22:22 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-03 02:53 +0000
                                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:28 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:51 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:09 -0400
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:52 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 15:10 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-30 08:58 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:47 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:56 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 14:17 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 16:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 21:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 13:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-20 15:54 +0200
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:58 +0000
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:53 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:12 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:09 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:52 +0100
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:02 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:48 +0000
                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:37 -0400
                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:31 -0400
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:45 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:52 +0100
                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:50 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 13:50 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 13:02 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:26 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:48 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:44 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-29 23:05 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-30 00:58 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-30 04:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-30 09:25 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 11:00 +0100
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:54 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:34 +0100
                      Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:08 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 10:25 +0100
                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 19:19 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-05 22:38 +0000
                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:40 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:16 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:38 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:19 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-06 18:54 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-06 23:27 -0400
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:54 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-07 03:52 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 00:12 -0400
                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 12:00 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:34 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:23 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:45 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-07 22:24 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:48 +0000
                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:52 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:46 +0100
                                                [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 10:28 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:32 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-08 20:38 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/economy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:48 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:41 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:52 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:34 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:28 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:26 +0100
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:22 +0000
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:37 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:46 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:19 -0400
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:25 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:25 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:36 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:05 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:49 -0400
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:59 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 04:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:49 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:33 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:43 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:05 +0200
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:37 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:31 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:38 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:26 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:10 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 01:00 -0400
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:55 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:32 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:44 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 21:05 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 03:47 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:18 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:22 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:44 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:13 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:26 +0100
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:07 +0200
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:35 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:24 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:36 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:01 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:52 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:23 +0100
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:22 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 20:58 +0200
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:32 +0200
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 12:03 +0200
                                                                          [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 00:43 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:45 +0100
                                                                                [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:37 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 19:33 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-09-13 17:30 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 22:05 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 03:19 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 23:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 02:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:09 +0200
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:13 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:05 +0000
                                                                  [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:11 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-13 14:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:48 -0400
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:59 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:27 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 00:22 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 07:51 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 09:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:21 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:02 -0400
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 08:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:51 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:39 +0000
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 19:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:54 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:20 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 11:06 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:56 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:01 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:42 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:26 +0200
                                                                                              [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:18 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:51 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:25 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:13 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:26 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:24 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:32 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:17 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:35 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:59 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:16 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 17:50 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 19:55 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 01:10 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 23:19 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:54 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:14 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 08:29 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 10:53 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 13:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:29 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 22:01 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 23:41 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 04:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:13 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:22 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:05 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:11 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:16 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 07:16 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:43 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:32 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:51 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:06 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:24 -0400
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:55 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 22:19 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:57 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:02 +0000
                                                                                                        [OT] Washington Treaty of 1949 (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:58 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:02 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:21 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:53 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:34 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-16 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:05 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 01:52 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:48 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 00:37 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                    [OT] /dev/middle-east (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/middle-east The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:45 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 23:25 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 21:03 -0400
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 23:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 02:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 02:14 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 20:59 -0400
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:56 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:48 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:56 +0000
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:28 +0200
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:04 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:33 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:23 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:01 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:29 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:03 +0200
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
                                                                                            [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:35 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:09 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:53 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:31 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:42 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:33 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:30 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:47 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:54 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:03 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:07 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:06 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:29 +0100
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:20 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:26 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:29 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 00:58 -0400
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:19 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:27 +0100
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-09 04:25 +0000
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:43 -0400
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:31 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:12 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:32 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:31 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 22:20 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:05 +0000
                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:51 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:34 +0100
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:59 +0100
                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:18 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:35 -0400
                  Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:06 +0100
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:54 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:57 -0400
            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-22 21:47 +0200
              The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-22 23:50 +0000
                Re: The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 04:28 -0400
                Re: The hammer is best Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 10:14 +0100
                  Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:55 +0200
                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:16 +0100
                      Re: The hammer is best Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-23 21:20 +0200
                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:26 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:06 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:18 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:51 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best Joed Oakes <lost@noway.home.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:42 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:56 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:25 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:14 +0000
                        Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:50 +0200
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:56 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:53 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 06:42 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 23:34 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:08 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:29 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:52 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:19 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:29 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:03 +0000
                                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:31 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 22:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:28 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:07 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:39 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:23 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:05 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:43 +0200
                                      Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 23:14 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:08 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:38 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:22 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:26 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 00:00 -0400
                                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:44 -0400
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:49 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:20 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:23 -0400
                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 22:16 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:41 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:58 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:28 -0400
            ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-24 13:56 +0100
              Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh (was: /dev/tcp)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 14:57 +0000
                Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 13:26 +0100
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:49 +0000
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:35 -0400
              Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 21:08 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 21:28 +0000
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:29 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:41 +0000
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:43 +0100
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 01:11 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-25 13:25 +0100
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:58 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-26 13:34 +0100
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:40 -0400
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:40 -0400
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:40 +0000
              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:25 -0400
                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:52 +0000
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:03 +0000
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:04 -0400
                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:00 +0000
                          Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:17 -0400
                            Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 15:22 +0000
                              Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 17:55 +0100
                                Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:14 -0400
                                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:48 +0100
                              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:43 -0400
                                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:17 +0000
                                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:18 -0400
                                    Re: ksh Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 15:54 +0000
                                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:40 +0000
                                      Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:14 +0100
                                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:12 +0000
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:35 -0400
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:17 +0000
                Re: ksh Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-08-25 09:56 +0200
                  Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:24 +0200
                    Re: ksh Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-25 20:36 +0200
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:04 +0200
                          Re: ksh Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:03 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:50 -0400
                    Re: ksh Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:38 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0000
                      Re: ksh "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:26 +0200
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:43 -0400
                  Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:01 +0000
                    Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 01:32 +0200
                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:46 -0400
                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:25 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:22 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:57 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-23 06:37 -0700
      Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 14:49 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:13 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:31 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:08 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 00:52 +0100
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:14 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 19:06 +0100
            [OT] Weather Underground (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 08:58 +0100
              Re: [OT] Weather Underground David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 18:15 +0100

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#90484

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-25 00:37 -0400
Message-ID<UaqcnZw5f_uEgRD3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90443
On 8/24/26 03:35, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-24 00:28, vallor wrote:
>> At Sun, 23 Aug 2026 13:50:30 +0200, "Carlos E.R." 
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-08-23 09:37, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 8/23/26 00:01, Rich wrote:
>>>>> vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>>>> At Thu, 20 Aug 2026 23:30:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 18:15:27 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 00:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This came up in the context of "how to test network on a system
>>>>>>>>>> with no root and no helpful utilities installed."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So a version of bash that supports /dev/tcp is somehow excluded
>>>>>>>>> from that “no helpful utilities installed” assumption?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The system being tested did not have bash installed. Busybox
>>>>>>>> provided /bin/sh there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought you said you were testing the *network*, not the *system*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can’t really do that (in general) without access to a proper
>>>>>>> suite of diagnostic tools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In such a situation, I would try one (or both) of two things:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Reboot the machine with a SystemRescue USB stick
>>>>>>>     <https://www.system-rescue.org/>. That way, I get unconstrained
>>>>>>>     access to an entire system custom-designed precisely for running
>>>>>>>     diagnostics.
>>>>>>> * Bring in my own machine, which already has my own custom setup on
>>>>>>>     it, and connect it to the network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both of these also have the advantage of ruling out screwups in the
>>>>>>> existing OS installation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if you’re saying the situation would not allow me to do 
>>>>>>> either of
>>>>>>> these things, then I would not have accepted the job in the first
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever agreed with someone?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's kind of the troll ethos, disagreeing brings on more chaos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     There are always a few ... being negative/disagreeable
>>>>     or, worse, All-Superior is Their Main Thing. They feel
>>>>     they "Gain Power" that way.
>>>>
>>>>     No, I'm not basing that on Freud or Jung - just long
>>>>     experience.
>>>>
>>>>     I pref the "Let's All Get Along" approach. Everything
>>>>     goes MUCH smoother and solutions, rather than conflict,
>>>>     is the usual result.
>>>>
>>>>     ANYway, /dev/tcp does have uses. It's worth exploring.
>>>>     Maybe YOU can find a use to suit YOUR needs/desires.
>>>>     I used it for a custom disk-scan/wipe app (had to
>>>>     use a 'C' module because huge track/cluster/byte numbers
>>>>     were needed for modern mag drives - the main app was
>>>>     in Lazarus for the pretty display and buttons).
>>>>
>>>>     Note Lazarus/FPC *says* it supports huge seek numbers
>>>>     but DOESN'T ... limited to maybe 4gb.
>>>
>>> I wrote a program that writes bytes on big partitions.
>>>
>>>
>>> excerpted:
>>>
>>> const
>>>        sourcefilename = './BigRandom';
>>>        rawdest: string = '';     // example: '/dev/sda11'
>>>
>>>        shuflecount = 1024;
>>>        arraysize = 1023;
>>>        ChunkSz=1048576;
>>> type
>>>        tCacho= array [1..ChunkSz] of byte;
>>>
>>> var
>>>      Fin, Fout: file of tCacho;
>>>      gotresult: Word;
>>>
>>>      BigData : array [1..shuflecount] of tCacho;
>>>      OutputIndex : Int64;    // counts MiB written.
>>>
>>>
>>> begin
>>>
>>> // writes one MiB
>>>         {$I-}write(Fout,BigData[RandomIndex]);{$I+}
>>>         gotresult:= ioresult;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The purpose of the program is to fast fill a partition or disk with
>>> nearly true random data. It is as fast as dd could be.
>>
>> SHRED(1)                 User Commands                 SHRED(1)
>>
>> NAME
>>         shred  -  overwrite  a  file  to  hide its contents, and
>>         optionally delete it
>>
>> SYNOPSIS
>>         shred [OPTION]... FILE...
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>>         Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order  to
>>         make  it harder for even very expensive hardware probing
>>         to recover the data.
> 
> Not the same thing.


   And NO good for SSDs.

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#90426

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-24 00:31 -0400
Message-ID<ViCdnRVVJp6KVBb3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90387
On 8/23/26 07:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-23 09:37, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/23/26 00:01, Rich wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>> At Thu, 20 Aug 2026 23:30:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro 
>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 18:15:27 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 00:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This came up in the context of "how to test network on a system
>>>>>>>> with no root and no helpful utilities installed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So a version of bash that supports /dev/tcp is somehow excluded
>>>>>>> from that “no helpful utilities installed” assumption?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The system being tested did not have bash installed. Busybox
>>>>>> provided /bin/sh there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you said you were testing the *network*, not the *system*.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can’t really do that (in general) without access to a proper
>>>>> suite of diagnostic tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> In such a situation, I would try one (or both) of two things:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Reboot the machine with a SystemRescue USB stick
>>>>>    <https://www.system-rescue.org/>. That way, I get unconstrained
>>>>>    access to an entire system custom-designed precisely for running
>>>>>    diagnostics.
>>>>> * Bring in my own machine, which already has my own custom setup on
>>>>>    it, and connect it to the network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both of these also have the advantage of ruling out screwups in the
>>>>> existing OS installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you’re saying the situation would not allow me to do either of
>>>>> these things, then I would not have accepted the job in the first
>>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever agreed with someone?
>>>
>>> It's kind of the troll ethos, disagreeing brings on more chaos.
>>
>>
>>    There are always a few ... being negative/disagreeable
>>    or, worse, All-Superior is Their Main Thing. They feel
>>    they "Gain Power" that way.
>>
>>    No, I'm not basing that on Freud or Jung - just long
>>    experience.
>>
>>    I pref the "Let's All Get Along" approach. Everything
>>    goes MUCH smoother and solutions, rather than conflict,
>>    is the usual result.
>>
>>    ANYway, /dev/tcp does have uses. It's worth exploring.
>>    Maybe YOU can find a use to suit YOUR needs/desires.
>>    I used it for a custom disk-scan/wipe app (had to
>>    use a 'C' module because huge track/cluster/byte numbers
>>    were needed for modern mag drives - the main app was
>>    in Lazarus for the pretty display and buttons).
>>
>>    Note Lazarus/FPC *says* it supports huge seek numbers
>>    but DOESN'T ... limited to maybe 4gb.
> 
> I wrote a program that writes bytes on big partitions.
> 
> 
> excerpted:
> 
> const
>       sourcefilename = './BigRandom';
>       rawdest: string = '';     // example: '/dev/sda11'
> 
>       shuflecount = 1024;
>       arraysize = 1023;
>       ChunkSz=1048576;
> type
>       tCacho= array [1..ChunkSz] of byte;
> 
> var
>     Fin, Fout: file of tCacho;
>     gotresult: Word;
> 
>     BigData : array [1..shuflecount] of tCacho;
>     OutputIndex : Int64;    // counts MiB written.
> 
> 
> begin
> 
> // writes one MiB
>        {$I-}write(Fout,BigData[RandomIndex]);{$I+}
>        gotresult:= ioresult;
> 
> 
> The purpose of the program is to fast fill a partition or disk with 
> nearly true random data. It is as fast as dd could be.

   Um ... how many GB could that cope with ?

   'Seek' counts can sometimes be supplimented
   by an 'offset' value - so basically you're
   getting the mult of two doubles. I didn't
   do it that way, and thus needed very large
   sector/track/cluster integers. An external 'C'
   pgm using really large integer types was needed.

   Anyway, it worked.

   My app could ALSO just LOOK at data, kinda put
   it into a "ghex"-looking sidebar (but with
   ASCII translation if possible). So you could
   just look, OR zap. Anyway, nothing TOO complex
   aside from the sheer size of modern mag disks.

   As useful utility. I encourage people to write
   their own.

   DID add one odd, maybe questionable, feature ...
   you could spec on the CL x-number of gigs to
   TOTALLY wipe at the beginning ... and then
   a couple numbers for "shotgun" blasting of
   later tracks. Most of the file-table/system
   stuff tends to be early on, and data with
   holes in it is "less useful". This made the
   "wipes" much faster.

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#90444

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-24 09:45 +0200
Message-ID<jd9tlmxhcg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#90426
On 2026-08-24 06:31, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/23/26 07:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-23 09:37, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/23/26 00:01, Rich wrote:
>>>> vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>>>>> At Thu, 20 Aug 2026 23:30:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro 
>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:


>>>    ANYway, /dev/tcp does have uses. It's worth exploring.
>>>    Maybe YOU can find a use to suit YOUR needs/desires.
>>>    I used it for a custom disk-scan/wipe app (had to
>>>    use a 'C' module because huge track/cluster/byte numbers
>>>    were needed for modern mag drives - the main app was
>>>    in Lazarus for the pretty display and buttons).
>>>
>>>    Note Lazarus/FPC *says* it supports huge seek numbers
>>>    but DOESN'T ... limited to maybe 4gb.
>>
>> I wrote a program that writes bytes on big partitions.
>>
>>
>> excerpted:
>>
>> const
>>       sourcefilename = './BigRandom';
>>       rawdest: string = '';     // example: '/dev/sda11'
>>
>>       shuflecount = 1024;
>>       arraysize = 1023;
>>       ChunkSz=1048576;
>> type
>>       tCacho= array [1..ChunkSz] of byte;
>>
>> var
>>     Fin, Fout: file of tCacho;
>>     gotresult: Word;
>>
>>     BigData : array [1..shuflecount] of tCacho;
>>     OutputIndex : Int64;    // counts MiB written.
>>
>>
>> begin
>>
>> // writes one MiB
>>        {$I-}write(Fout,BigData[RandomIndex]);{$I+}
>>        gotresult:= ioresult;
>>
>>
>> The purpose of the program is to fast fill a partition or disk with 
>> nearly true random data. It is as fast as dd could be.
> 
>    Um ... how many GB could that cope with ?

I have done entire disks sized terabytes. But I don't actually use "seek".

> 
>    'Seek' counts can sometimes be supplimented
>    by an 'offset' value - so basically you're
>    getting the mult of two doubles. I didn't
>    do it that way, and thus needed very large
>    sector/track/cluster integers. An external 'C'
>    pgm using really large integer types was needed.

Can you seek not a byte, but a record or array?

Seek(var F; N: Int64)

File can be a file of some variable that is not a byte. And

type Int64 = - 9223372036854775808..9223372036854775807;

(why signed?)

Why not QWord?

type QWord = 0..18446744073709551615;


>    Anyway, it worked.
> 
>    My app could ALSO just LOOK at data, kinda put
>    it into a "ghex"-looking sidebar (but with
>    ASCII translation if possible). So you could
>    just look, OR zap. Anyway, nothing TOO complex
>    aside from the sheer size of modern mag disks.
> 
>    As useful utility. I encourage people to write
>    their own.
> 
>    DID add one odd, maybe questionable, feature ...
>    you could spec on the CL x-number of gigs to
>    TOTALLY wipe at the beginning ... and then
>    a couple numbers for "shotgun" blasting of
>    later tracks. Most of the file-table/system
>    stuff tends to be early on, and data with
>    holes in it is "less useful". This made the
>    "wipes" much faster.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#90388

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-23 12:52 +0100
Message-ID<116emud$1sako$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90376
On 23/08/2026 08:37, c186282 wrote:
> There are always a few ... being negative/disagreeable
>    or, worse, All-Superior is Their Main Thing. They feel
>    they "Gain Power" that way.

I think they just get a kick out of being responded to. It's sort of an 
idle occupation, like swatting flies or doodling. Piss someone off on 
the Internet.

Imagine some guy on second line support who spends his life on front of 
a screen with nothing to do until shit happens

-- 
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll 
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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#90386

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-23 12:50 +0100
Message-ID<116emqf$1sako$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90370
On 23/08/2026 05:01, Rich wrote:
>> Have you ever agreed with someone?
> It's kind of the troll ethos, disagreeing brings on more chaos.

LOL...

-- 
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll 
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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#90207

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-08-20 13:50 +0000
Message-ID<11670nh$3hihn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90165
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> What system(s) have /dev/tcp/* natively?

What "systems"?  Only those with a /bin/bash compiled with this 
"special bash feature" compiled in.

>   $ man bash
>   [...]
>   REDIRECTION
>   [...]
>        Bash handles several filenames specially when they are used in
>        redirections,  as described  in the  following table.   If the
>        operating  system on  which  bash is  running  provides  these
>        special files, bash will use them;  other wise it will emulate
>        them internally with the behavior described below.
>   [...]
>               /dev/tcp/host/port
>                   If  host  is a valid  hostname or Internet address,
>                   and port is an integer port number or service name,
>                   bash attempts to open the corresponding TCP socket.
> 
> I don't see it on the various systems I have handy (Debian 13, Amazon
> Linux 2023, Mac OS 15.7.x, NetBSD 10.1, Android 14).

> is it a plan9 thing?

It's a Bash feature.  Note the man page quote you provided:

>  **Bash** handles several filenames specially when they are used in 
>  redirections

These are handled by Bash, they don't exist as part of the OS (system).

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#90219

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-20 13:02 -0400
Message-ID<jLednbRwA9SGrhr3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90207
On 8/20/26 09:50, Rich wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> What system(s) have /dev/tcp/* natively?
> 
> What "systems"?  Only those with a /bin/bash compiled with this
> "special bash feature" compiled in.
> 
>>    $ man bash
>>    [...]
>>    REDIRECTION
>>    [...]
>>         Bash handles several filenames specially when they are used in
>>         redirections,  as described  in the  following table.   If the
>>         operating  system on  which  bash is  running  provides  these
>>         special files, bash will use them;  other wise it will emulate
>>         them internally with the behavior described below.
>>    [...]
>>                /dev/tcp/host/port
>>                    If  host  is a valid  hostname or Internet address,
>>                    and port is an integer port number or service name,
>>                    bash attempts to open the corresponding TCP socket.
>>
>> I don't see it on the various systems I have handy (Debian 13, Amazon
>> Linux 2023, Mac OS 15.7.x, NetBSD 10.1, Android 14).
> 
>> is it a plan9 thing?
> 
> It's a Bash feature.  Note the man page quote you provided:
> 
>>   **Bash** handles several filenames specially when they are used in
>>   redirections
> 
> These are handled by Bash, they don't exist as part of the OS (system).

   Correct. I've used the /dev/tcp trick before to
   check ports. Seems to only work with Bash. Others
   might add it eventually, but not too likely.

   Other odd Linux tricks - how many know you can
   read/write to a disk drive that has no file
   system ? GParted does have an option that creates
   a "blank" drive. It's an old trick, squeeze in
   more raw data. To a degree, it can make that data
   a bit more "portable" because it's not tied to
   EXT?/NTFS/XFS/etc. You just need a system that
   can open the 'blank' as an I/O device.

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#90227

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-08-20 18:26 +0000
Message-ID<1167gt3$3neg1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90219
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>   Other odd Linux tricks - how many know you can
>   read/write to a disk drive that has no file
>   system ?

That is not a Linux trick, that's a Unix feature given that devices are 
mapped to files.

Just write your data to /dev/sda (whole disk, including boot sector) or 
/dev/sda5 (5th partition on disk).

That is where the 'dd' command is useful.  You can "clone" a disk on 
Unix (if you are root, or if the two disk device files have write 
permission for your current user) by just doing:

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 

Assuming the disks use 4096 byte sectors.  

No need for extra "disk cloning" machines to actually duplicate a disk.

You can also backup the same way (although it is a rather wasteful way, 
as you also backup all the empty "free space" too):

dd if=/dev/sda of=/tmp/disk-backup bs=4096

None of this is new to anyone who's used, and understood from an admin 
perspective, a Unix system for any short length of time.

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#90827

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2026-08-29 13:48 +0000
Message-ID<6a92e32c$0$28046$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#90227
Le 20-08-2026, Rich <rich@example.invalid> a écrit :
>
> That is where the 'dd' command is useful.  You can "clone" a disk on 
> Unix (if you are root, or if the two disk device files have write 
> permission for your current user) by just doing:
>
> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 

I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
remove my usb stick.

-- 
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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#90866

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-29 22:44 +0000
Message-ID<116vncf$3jcff$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90827
On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
> remove my usb stick.

Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
enough ...

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#90870

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-08-29 23:05 +0000
Message-ID<slrn1196pd1.bqu.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#90866
On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
>> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
>> remove my usb stick.
>
> Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
> enough ...

Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
catch that case, too.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#90873

Fromvallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Date2026-08-30 00:58 +0000
Message-ID<116vv86$3les3$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90870
At 29 Aug 2026 23:05:05 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:

> On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> > On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> >
> >> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
> >> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
> >> remove my usb stick.
> >
> > Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
> > enough ...
> 
> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
> catch that case, too.

 From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it
appears that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.

But there's ways to tell dd(1) to write data with various
syncronization options.  "oflag=sync" probably does what you
want it to do.  Kind of like:

$ time -p dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null oflag=sync count=10000 \
 bs=$[1024*1024]
10000+0 records in
10000+0 records out
10485760000 bytes (10 GB, 9.8 GiB) copied, 0.383306 s, 27.4 GB/s
real 0.38
user 0.00
sys 0.38

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
   OS: Linux 7.2.1 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
   NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.57.04)
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#90879

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-08-30 04:12 +0000
Message-ID<slrn1197bdj.rrn.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#90873
On 2026-08-30, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
> At 29 Aug 2026 23:05:05 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> > On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> >
>> >> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
>> >> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
>> >> remove my usb stick.
>> >
>> > Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
>> > enough ...
>> 
>> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
>> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
>> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
>> catch that case, too.
>
>  From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it
> appears that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.
>
> But there's ways to tell dd(1) to write data with various
> syncronization options.  "oflag=sync" probably does what you
> want it to do.  Kind of like:
>
> $ time -p dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null oflag=sync count=10000 \
>  bs=$[1024*1024]
> 10000+0 records in
> 10000+0 records out
> 10485760000 bytes (10 GB, 9.8 GiB) copied, 0.383306 s, 27.4 GB/s
> real 0.38
> user 0.00
> sys 0.38

Thanks for another perspective.

That's interesting about the man page calling out specifically
"filesystem data".  I would have thought /dev/sdl (my USB stick)
would qualify as "filesystem data" as a device node accessed via
the /dev filesystem, but maybe it's doing at a different level of
I/O stack.

I did an experiment doing dd from /dev/zero to /dev/sdl (a USB
stick), and in my case the "Dirty" line of /proc/meminfo never
did not show increasingly large number as it usually does when
writing to a regular file on a slower device.  The sync command
immediately after the dd command finished in essentially zero
time.  However, the lack of a build-up of queued writes would
indicate the dd command never let writes accumulate, independent
of whether sync would have waited for any that might have
accumulated.

I might ask a friend who has more kernel and internal I/O
expertise than me.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#90890

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2026-08-30 09:25 +0000
Message-ID<6a93f706$0$31866$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#90873
Le 30-08-2026, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> a écrit :
> At 29 Aug 2026 23:05:05 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> > On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> >
>> >> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
>> >> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
>> >> remove my usb stick.
>> >
>> > Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
>> > enough ...

No. You should try it by yourself.

>> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
>> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
>> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
>> catch that case, too.

I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
after that.

>  From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it
> appears that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.

I'm not that sure about that. It looks like you can chose what file to
synchronize.

> But there's ways to tell dd(1) to write data with various
> syncronization options.  "oflag=sync" probably does what you
> want it to do.  Kind of like:

I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't terminate
before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I can remove
it.

-- 
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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#90891

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-30 11:00 +0100
Message-ID<1170uv3$3u4us$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90890
On 2026-08-30, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Le 30-08-2026, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> a écrit :
>> At 29 Aug 2026 23:05:05 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> > On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
>>> >> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
>>> >> remove my usb stick.
>>> >
>>> > Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
>>> > enough ...
>
> No. You should try it by yourself.
>
>>> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
>>> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
>>> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
>>> catch that case, too.
>
> I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
> everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
> after that.
>
>>  From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it
>> appears that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.
>
> I'm not that sure about that. It looks like you can chose what file to
> synchronize.

Here, the online manual does not imply it's only filesystem data, it
merely says that *if a file is specified* it syncs the file or its
filesystem, but you don't have to specify a file, but...

(This for the GNU coreutils implementation.)

... now the pages for both Linux and POSIX sync() appear to be worded
such that it's only "filesystem data", and that's also what's on IEEE
1003.1?

<https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/functions/sync.html>

>> But there's ways to tell dd(1) to write data with various
>> syncronization options.  "oflag=sync" probably does what you
>> want it to do.  Kind of like:
>
> I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
> option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't terminate
> before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I can remove
> it.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#90931

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-30 23:54 +0000
Message-ID<1172fr3$fkiu$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90890
On 30 Aug 2026 09:25:26 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:44:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always
>>> add status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when
>>> I can remove my usb stick.
>>
>> Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
>> enough ...
>
> No. You should try it by yourself.

I do this frequently. That’s why I raised the point.

> I said that putting the option status=progress makes sure that the
> dd command doesn't terminate before everything is written on the USB
> stick, so I know I can remove it.

You’re thinking of OS-level caches, I think. That’s not the option for
controlling them; look at the “conv=” options with “sync” in their
name: “fdatasync” and “fsync”.

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#90950

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 09:34 +0100
Message-ID<wwvo6eid6xu.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#90890
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
> Le 30-08-2026, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> a écrit :
>> At 29 Aug 2026 23:05:05 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-08-29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> > On 29 Aug 2026 13:48:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I create a lot of USB sticks to boot Linux with dd. But I always add
>>> >> status=progress at the end of the line to be able to know when I can
>>> >> remove my usb stick.
>>> >
>>> > Surely when the dd command terminates, that should be indication
>>> > enough ...
>
> No. You should try it by yourself.
>
>>> Unless the dd command was run without an option to do synchronous
>>> I/O and the tail end of the data is still being flushed from the
>>> queue.  IIUC, doing a 'sync' afterward _should_ theoretically
>>> catch that case, too.
>
> I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
> everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
> after that.

status=progress is not that option.

>>  From inspecting the man pages for sync(1) (and sync(2)), it
>> appears that running "sync" will only write out filesystem data.
>
> I'm not that sure about that. It looks like you can chose what file to
> synchronize.
>
>> But there's ways to tell dd(1) to write data with various
>> syncronization options.  "oflag=sync" probably does what you
>> want it to do.  Kind of like:
>
> I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
> option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't
> terminate before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I
> can remove it.

status=progress does not guarantee that data is on the USB stick before
dd terminates. I have no idea why you would think it does. dd only turns
on synchronization options, or adds synchronization syscalls, if you
explicitly tell it to do so, and status=progress is not one of the
options that does that.

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#91120

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2026-09-05 09:08 +0000
Message-ID<6a9bdc2b$0$7092$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#90950
Le 31-08-2026, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
>>
>> I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
>> everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
>> after that.
>
> status=progress is not that option.

Before using that option, I used no option, and when dd finished I had
to "grep Dirty /proc/meminfo" to try to guess when I was able to remove
my usb stick. Then one day I saw someone using that option. And now, I'm
using it myself, so dd takes more time to finish and I never had any
issue removing my usb stick once it finished.

Maybe I'm the luckiest guy on earth, or there is a side effect which
makes it work, one day it won't work as expected. But right now, having
created dozens of usb sticks with that option, it never failed me.

>> I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
>> option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't
>> terminate before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I
>> can remove it.
>
> status=progress does not guarantee that data is on the USB stick before
> dd terminates. I have no idea why you would think it does. 

Because it works. That helps believing in it. Before adding that option,
dd finished well faster, with that option, it takes more time to finish
and I never had any issue with usb sticks created in that way. So, that
helps believing there is a relation between the option and the expected
result.

> dd only turns
> on synchronization options, or adds synchronization syscalls, if you
> explicitly tell it to do so, and status=progress is not one of the
> options that does that.

Maybe, but it's a really good imitation.

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#91122

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-05 10:25 +0100
Message-ID<wwva4pw2goz.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#91120
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
>>> I find it easier to put an option to be sure dd doesn't finish before
>>> everything is written on the USB stick than launching other commands
>>> after that.
>>
>> status=progress is not that option.
>
> Before using that option, I used no option, and when dd finished I had
> to "grep Dirty /proc/meminfo" to try to guess when I was able to
> remove my usb stick. Then one day I saw someone using that option. And
> now, I'm using it myself, so dd takes more time to finish and I never
> had any issue removing my usb stick once it finished.
>
> Maybe I'm the luckiest guy on earth, or there is a side effect which
> makes it work, one day it won't work as expected. But right now,
> having created dozens of usb sticks with that option, it never failed
> me.

There is no such side effect. Read the source or use strace.

>>> I didn't say there was only one way to do it. I said that putting the
>>> option status=progress makes sure that the dd command doesn't
>>> terminate before everything is written on the USB stick, so I know I
>>> can remove it.
>>
>> status=progress does not guarantee that data is on the USB stick before
>> dd terminates. I have no idea why you would think it does. 
>
> Because it works. That helps believing in it. Before adding that option,
> dd finished well faster, with that option, it takes more time to finish
> and I never had any issue with usb sticks created in that way. So, that
> helps believing there is a relation between the option and the expected
> result.

People believe in all sorts of things, doesn’t make them true.

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#91127

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-05 19:19 +0100
Message-ID<117hmet$1nuga$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91122
On 05/09/2026 10:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> People believe in all sorts of things, doesn’t make them true.

It does in the New Left Mind, sadly

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