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| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:08 +0000
Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:03 -0500
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:16 +0000
Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-22 10:34 -0500
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:40 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:42 +0100
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:28 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:41 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 01:07 +0000
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:08 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:05 +0100
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-23 16:53 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:57 +0100
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-23 23:20 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-22 13:42 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:33 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-21 19:07 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:23 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neskjjFpub2U57@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90300 |
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. > They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the > drawbacks. I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to see what businesses were still there. The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I just bought a digital flat screen at the time. Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <b16dnflvItO59xT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90318 |
On 8/21/26 23:50, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. >> They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the >> drawbacks. > > I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that > popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to > meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to > see what businesses were still there. > > The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT > TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going > to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose > it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. > > I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog > converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I > just bought a digital flat screen at the time. > > Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor? Already have one, a good SONY. Hmm, might buy one of those converters ... Hey, they weren't bad, just BULKY.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuat1F5rktU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90330 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 05:21:40 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmm, might buy one of those converters ... > > Hey, they weren't bad, just BULKY. I didn't dig into it but Amazon showed two classes. The $40 models looked like the OTA converters that allowed channel selection on the converter box. The $20 models appeared to accept HDMI in with the RCA composite cable out. I briefly wondered how a 15 year old CRT TV would handle HDMI.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 10:34 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <24gj8ldh9k87ipvp7659gbth5r6gv9165p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #90318 |
rbowman wrote: >The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose >it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work better than modern digital screens, for that. -- 'So it really boils down to "I hate Microsoft and I hate Apple" because they aren't free.' - some POS that called itself "GreyCloud", lying shamelessly
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuc8fF5rktU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90342 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:34:20 -0500, chrisv wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >>The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >>TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >>to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I >>suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. > > Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work > better than modern digital screens, for that. That may be it. The kid who jumped out to get it looked like a younger teen with Mom driving the SUV. Anyway it worked out well. Years ago someone was looking for a Game Boy for the kid. I offered it to her to be told the kid wanted a current model, not obsolete old crap. I've learned over the years that beggars damn well can be choosers.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 23:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116d8k7$1gc75$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90352 |
On 22/08/2026 20:40, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:34:20 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >>> TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >>> to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I >>> suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. >> >> Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work >> better than modern digital screens, for that. > > That may be it. The kid who jumped out to get it looked like a younger > teen with Mom driving the SUV. Anyway it worked out well. > > Years ago someone was looking for a Game Boy for the kid. I offered it to > her to be told the kid wanted a current model, not obsolete old crap. I've > learned over the years that beggars damn well can be choosers. > Indeed. But they can also FOAD -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116alrl$mo6m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90295 |
On 21/08/2026 19:08, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:43:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 20/08/2026 21:26, rbowman wrote: >>> Lately I've been using the phone unless I >>> plan to be in an area with no cell service. >> >> My in phone app works without cell coverage. Its all in the phone > > You snipped the relevant context about geocaching. > Is it relevant though? I cant see how an internet cconnection helps you find a cache > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching#Mobile_devices > > The phone app connects to geocaching.com, retrieves the data for the area > reported by the phone's GPS, and presents it on a map. Clicking on one > downloads the description, logs, and hints, if any. If the cache is found, > you can then log it. Obviously all this requires a connection. > Oh. Seems a bit silly, but who am I ... -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1bfmlmx585.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90214 |
(advocacy groups removed) On 2026-08-20 18:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first >> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I >> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping >> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage. >> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back. >> >> But, as always, YMMV/YMWV. > > I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new > cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's > twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except > for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular > coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones > has probably rocketed. I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen. According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight of the vehicle. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116all6$mo6m$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90293 |
On 21/08/2026 18:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: > According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is > dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several > hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into low cost portable devices though I just got back from Cambridge where its essential as the speed limits change without warning from 20,30,40, 50, 60mph. and all the cyclists wear black and carry no lights whatsoever. I suspect smart car manufacturers would install their software...on whatver wird kit thay have on the dashboard -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nesls8Fpub2U58@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90304 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the > continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into > low cost portable devices though That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few useful things Slick Willie did.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <36ucnRxaq_oM0BT3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90322 |
On 8/22/26 00:11, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the >> continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into >> low cost portable devices though > > That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan > units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the > Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still > work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows > distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two > geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few > useful things Slick Willie did. Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product IMHO.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neubj7F5rktU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90328 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 03:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. > > "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product > IMHO. So far so good with the refurbished Levovo T480 I bought. I originally was going to buy another mini but the Lenovo was $200 and had better specs than the low end minis plus being self contained. For electronics a refurb might mean a quick wipe and OS reinstall. Technically most of the Linux boxes at work were refurbs. As Win10 machines that couldn't be upgraded were replaced, IT would wipe the drives and give them to programming. And run. They didn't want to know anything about Linux.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 23:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116d8ik$1gc75$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90350 |
On 22/08/2026 20:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 03:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>
>> Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN.
>>
>> "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product
>> IMHO.
>
> So far so good with the refurbished Levovo T480 I bought. I originally was
> going to buy another mini but the Lenovo was $200 and had better specs
> than the low end minis plus being self contained.
>
> For electronics a refurb might mean a quick wipe and OS reinstall.
No wipe, Original disk removed and crushed before they are sold to the
refurb peole
My Ex's BIL worked mainly for IBM supervising office and machine room
upgrades and transfers.
Every few years the PCs are collected, written off the books, and sold
to a contractor whose contract is null and void if any disk with data on
it ever re surfaces. They are removed and crushed and then the machines
go to the refurb people who put new disks in and install Windows
whatever. If the machine is working they clean it up, If its scuffed up
they sell it cheaper
These machines are not on the market because they are U/S. They are on
the market because some service company who supplied then on a contract
hire basis, or some company who has a service policy, decided that they
were too old to actually be covered by a service contract, and they had
already depreciated off the asset register anyway so were technically
worthless.
The company makes a small paper profit selling them on in bulk
> Technically most of the Linux boxes at work were refurbs. As Win10
> machines that couldn't be upgraded were replaced, IT would wipe the drives
> and give them to programming. And run. They didn't want to know anything
> about Linux.
Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run
the latest shite from Gates et al.
Surprised your company repurposed them.,
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"
- John K Galbraith
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 01:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuvdqF5rktU17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90360 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:41:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run > the latest shite from Gates et al. > > Surprised your company repurposed them., They realized the programmers were perfectly happy loading Linux on them. We did get new Dell Windows 11 boxes during the transition. They did offer the replaced laptops and desktops to the employees first before selling them to a recycler. At the time my Dell desktop was the same generation and I didn't need another laptop. Compared to replacing the Windows boxes in a mostly Windows shop keeping the programmers content was a minor point. We could also get hand-me-down monitors. Other than mirroring a laptop on a real screen I've never cared for multiple monitors so I passed.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 13:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <ku0rlmxoar.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90360 |
On 2026-08-23 00:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 22/08/2026 20:28, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 03:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. >>> >>> "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product >>> IMHO. >> >> So far so good with the refurbished Levovo T480 I bought. I originally >> was >> going to buy another mini but the Lenovo was $200 and had better specs >> than the low end minis plus being self contained. >> >> For electronics a refurb might mean a quick wipe and OS reinstall. > No wipe, Original disk removed and crushed before they are sold to the > refurb peole > > My Ex's BIL worked mainly for IBM supervising office and machine room > upgrades and transfers. > > Every few years the PCs are collected, written off the books, and sold > to a contractor whose contract is null and void if any disk with data on > it ever re surfaces. They are removed and crushed and then the machines > go to the refurb people who put new disks in and install Windows > whatever. If the machine is working they clean it up, If its scuffed up > they sell it cheaper > > These machines are not on the market because they are U/S. They are on > the market because some service company who supplied then on a contract > hire basis, or some company who has a service policy, decided that they > were too old to actually be covered by a service contract, and they had > already depreciated off the asset register anyway so were technically > worthless. > > The company makes a small paper profit selling them on in bulk > >> Technically most of the Linux boxes at work were refurbs. As Win10 >> machines that couldn't be upgraded were replaced, IT would wipe the >> drives >> and give them to programming. And run. They didn't want to know anything >> about Linux. > > Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run > the latest shite from Gates et al. > > Surprised your company repurposed them., I know someone that bought a bunch of them, as many as would fit inside his car, for his company, that was a Linux only place. Worked fine for a decade. IBM Thinkcentre, I think. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 13:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116enlu$1sako$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90380 |
On 23/08/2026 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run >> the latest shite from Gates et al. >> >> Surprised your company repurposed them., > > I know someone that bought a bunch of them, as many as would fit inside > his car, for his company, that was a Linux only place. Worked fine for a > decade. IBM Thinkcentre, I think. As said my ex BIL's job was selling them off in hundreds He would be tasked to go into a corporate data centre with hundreds of Windows NT departmental servers, and put the lot on *virtual* machines on a few blade servers. The electricity and aircon savings alone were phenomenal. Then the servers were de-disked and sold on Sometimes they wanted all new desktops for 500 users as well, if the maintenance suppliers were not interested in e,g. supporting win XP any more De-disk and flog Remember the good corporate mindset is not the end user mindset. They want business specific applications at the lowest per desk, per annum cost, and they don't want an IT department they cant fire. Everything is outsourced One customer I visited had a 21 year old IBM 360 running custom COBOL code that they had had written 20 years and and it still ran fine, bit they couldn't get anyone to support the hardware, so they got some sort of AIX machine that was essentially a 486 PC that would still run their code as well as do a lot more. A bit smaller than the chest-freezer sized 360 I know someone with a VAX in his home office. Think it runs VMS -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 16:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118m9bp.hmf.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90390 |
On 2026-08-23, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > I know someone with a VAX in his home office. Think it runs VMS Any idea which level of VAX? Not all VAX machines were the same. IIRC, in the US a 750 required a 220V 30 or 40A power feed and some cooling, while either a 730 or Microvax could be powered from a regular 120V outlet in an office environment. On the other hand, the 9xxx models were a lot larger/hungrier/hotter. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 19:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116ffq0$25kdt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90401 |
On 23/08/2026 17:53, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-23, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> I know someone with a VAX in his home office. Think it runs VMS > > Any idea which level of VAX? > Not exactly. It runs of a normal 230V/13A socket > Not all VAX machines were the same. IIRC, in the US a 750 > required a 220V 30 or 40A power feed and some cooling, while > either a 730 or Microvax could be powered from a regular 120V > outlet in an office environment. On the other hand, the 9xxx > models were a lot larger/hungrier/hotter. > Don't think its a microvax. From online images an 11/750 ? -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 23:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118n023.ekg.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90406 |
On 2026-08-23, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 23/08/2026 17:53, Robert Riches wrote: >> On 2026-08-23, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> I know someone with a VAX in his home office. Think it runs VMS >> >> Any idea which level of VAX? >> > Not exactly. It runs of a normal 230V/13A socket > >> Not all VAX machines were the same. IIRC, in the US a 750 >> required a 220V 30 or 40A power feed and some cooling, while >> either a 730 or Microvax could be powered from a regular 120V >> outlet in an office environment. On the other hand, the 9xxx >> models were a lot larger/hungrier/hotter. >> > > Don't think its a microvax. From online images an 11/750 ? 230V/13A could probably handle an 11/750. In the 11/750 at the small company where I worked in 1980-1983, the CPU and such were in a cabinet about the size of a full-size washing machine, and each of the DEC-supplied disk drives (26MB, RK07, IIRC) was around 18-24" wide attached to the side. A 160-470MB disk, about 14" diameter platters, could be stuffed into the bottom of a disk cabinet. RAM was 0.5MB from DEC and 2.0MB from System Industries. I wrote software to manage the customer contact database in an ISAM file, where VMS supplied all the ISAM logic--IIRC from the Record Management System/Services. At first, the company could only afford two $10K languages, so DEC BASIC and Fortran were it. It's interesting to write database editing on VT100s in Fortran. IIUC, after I left in 1983, TransEra BASIC was developed on that 11/750. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 13:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116c5f1$14s8e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90293 |
On 2026/8/21 18:43:29, Carlos E.R. wrote: [] > I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom > navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen. > > According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is > dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several > hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. > > One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight > of the vehicle. > Last time I bought a standalone device, I bought an XGODY - no, I'd not heard of them before either, but it came with a bigger screen and for a lot lower price than any of the alternatives, as well as bluetooth connectivity and an FM tramsmitter (so I could in theory use it to get a smartphone to play through the car which doesn't have that facility - also, which is what I used it for mostly, am mp3 player). Yes, it had the facility to enter assorted lorry (truck) parameters, presumably so it could select routes that take those into account. Came with maps of most of the world; I only used the UK ones, but they seemed fine. 3D views if wanted, also lane markings/signage at many exits. I was very pleased with it - yes some slight quirks, but easily got used to. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The beauty of a double entendre is that it only means one thing - attributed to Ronnie Barker
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