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| Started by | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| First post | 2026-03-03 06:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-04-03 14:12 +0200 |
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GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 06:54 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-02 23:23 -0800
Re: GNU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-03 02:52 -0500
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-03 10:55 +0000
Re: GNU Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-03 10:59 +0000
Re: GNU Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-03-03 13:24 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-03 14:55 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 18:50 +0000
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 11:13 -0800
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-04 02:56 +0000
Re: GNU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-04 00:12 -0500
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 11:52 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-04 19:00 +0000
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 08:01 -0800
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-04 17:06 +0000
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 09:11 -0800
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:18 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-04 19:05 +0000
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-04 19:37 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:16 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-05 02:52 +0000
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:42 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 21:00 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-05 23:49 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 11:22 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-06 11:03 +1100
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-06 08:10 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 11:23 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-06 17:00 +0100
Re: GNU Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-03-06 12:08 -0500
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:21 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 09:59 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-07 06:36 +0200
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-05 18:54 -0600
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-06 08:12 +0100
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-06 20:04 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:45 +0000
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-06 01:11 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-06 03:06 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 06:12 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-06 08:16 +0100
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-06 10:00 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 20:41 +0000
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-06 21:27 +0000
Re: GNU richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-03-06 21:32 +0000
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-06 21:46 +0000
Re: GNU "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-03-06 21:56 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-07 09:10 +1100
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-06 22:25 +0000
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 17:06 -0800
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 05:52 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 07:14 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:25 +0000
Re: GNU Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2026-03-07 08:50 -0800
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-07 15:11 -0600
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 22:54 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:40 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 14:13 +1100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-07 21:43 -0800
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 18:16 +1100
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-08 09:52 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 11:57 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-08 15:08 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 06:13 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 06:12 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 04:13 +0000
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 14:01 -0800
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-06 22:44 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:22 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 04:26 +0000
Re: GNU Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:01 -0500
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 14:19 +1100
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 05:59 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-08 19:27 +0200
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-09 09:20 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 00:10 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-08 17:26 -0700
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 07:47 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-09 21:09 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 13:56 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-08 02:58 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 04:34 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 14:36 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-06 22:36 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-07 06:43 +0200
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-06 15:38 +1100
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-06 08:17 +0100
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-06 08:57 +0000
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-06 10:06 +0000
Re: GNU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-06 18:24 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:21 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 11:26 +0000
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-06 20:04 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:23 +0000
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-05 23:07 -0600
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-05 23:14 -0600
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-06 05:17 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 06:20 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-06 16:30 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-06 06:23 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-06 17:38 +1100
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-06 08:58 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-06 22:47 +1100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 12:48 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-06 14:33 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 14:44 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-06 14:34 +0000
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-07 12:20 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:41 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 13:55 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:46 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 16:12 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 15:20 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:53 +0000
Re: GNU Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:12 -0500
Re: GNU Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 21:31 -0500
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 14:35 +1100
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-08 12:26 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-09 09:28 +1100
Re: GNU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-07 14:03 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 14:16 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:51 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 13:52 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:45 +0000
Re: GNU Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 21:32 -0500
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 13:54 +0100
Rødgrød med fløde på - keyboards (Re: GNU) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-07 14:02 +0000
Re: Rødgrød med fløde på - keyboards (Re: GNU) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Rødgrød med fløde på - keyboards (Re: GNU) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-08 14:27 +0100
Re: Rødgrød med fløde på - keyboards (Re: GNU) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 20:39 +0000
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-07 11:44 -0600
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 09:41 +1100
Re: GNU Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-03-08 21:00 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-06 22:49 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 04:32 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-07 15:50 +1100
Re: GNU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-07 11:02 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 21:56 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 09:50 +1100
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-08 02:06 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-08 19:30 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:31 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-07 12:22 +0100
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 12:46 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:01 +0100
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 13:57 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 13:48 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:13 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:07 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-08 07:33 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 07:36 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-08 09:06 +0100
Re: GNU Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-03-08 20:35 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-07 13:59 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 14:03 +0000
Re: GNU Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 15:10 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-07 15:16 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-07 08:49 -0800
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-07 15:06 -0600
Re: GNU richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-03-07 21:30 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 16:35 -0500
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:34 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 20:10 -0500
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 14:55 -0700
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 00:27 +0000
Re: GNU lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-08 22:02 -0600
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-07 16:12 -0800
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 01:05 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-07 21:30 -0800
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 16:52 +1100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-08 14:28 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:32 +0000
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:21 -0700
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-08 09:59 +1100
Re: GNU Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 09:43 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 23:27 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-07 23:04 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-07 22:40 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-08 07:39 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 07:39 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-08 09:12 +0100
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 08:59 -0400
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 17:44 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 11:42 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 17:52 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-08 19:51 +0000
Re: GNU Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-03-08 20:23 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 20:52 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 13:59 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 16:32 -0400
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-08 20:46 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-09 10:02 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 00:19 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 14:04 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 20:52 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 23:57 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 00:31 -0400
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 05:00 +0000
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-03-09 22:48 +1300
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-09 10:14 +0100
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-10 09:32 +0200
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 09:10 -0700
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-09 01:16 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 00:58 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 01:07 -0400
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 06:22 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:00 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-09 10:09 +0000
Re: GNU Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-03-09 06:16 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 06:24 +0000
Re: GNU Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-03-09 06:54 +0000
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-09 07:37 +0000
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-03-10 09:37 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 10:37 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-11 10:09 +1100
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-10 13:25 +0000
Re: GNU Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-03-10 14:26 +0000
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-10 19:35 +0000
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-10 15:49 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-15 12:54 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-15 12:07 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-16 12:11 +1100
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-16 07:07 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0000
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-03-16 22:03 +1300
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:00 +0000
Re: GNU Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-03-17 18:08 +0000
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-16 09:28 +0000
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-16 10:36 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-16 08:58 +0100
Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-16 09:28 +0000
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-03-16 09:34 +1300
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-15 22:23 +0100
Re: GNU Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-15 23:38 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-15 21:24 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 12:56 +0000
Re: GNU Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-03-16 12:27 +0000
Re: GNU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 22:27 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-16 13:29 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 06:29 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-16 17:52 +1100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-16 00:32 -0700
Re: GNU Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-03-16 12:41 +0000
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 08:55 -0700
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-17 10:03 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 01:01 +0000
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-17 08:18 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 19:03 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-17 12:27 -0700
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-17 22:23 +0100
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-17 22:18 +0100
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Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-29 12:21 +0200
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Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-29 22:14 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-29 22:09 +0100
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Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-30 06:58 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-30 12:46 +0200
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 09:01 -0400
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-30 06:49 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-30 12:50 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-30 20:13 +0000
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Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 18:20 -0400
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 03:15 +0200
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 21:29 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 08:31 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 11:51 +0200
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Re: GNU Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-04-01 08:54 +0100
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 02:16 -0700
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 20:35 -0700
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 11:56 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 21:49 +0000
Re: GNU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-31 23:30 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 06:07 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-04-01 11:37 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 06:03 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-01 14:20 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-01 15:20 +0100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-01 09:49 -0700
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-01 20:15 +0200
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-01 14:14 +0200
Re: GNU Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-04-01 16:11 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-01 15:27 +0100
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 17:53 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 05:37 +0000
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 04:17 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:01 +0200
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-31 09:02 -0700
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:32 +0200
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-31 10:45 -0700
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-04-01 11:44 +1100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-31 21:01 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 07:24 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-01 15:15 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 02:54 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-01 20:26 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 20:21 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-30 16:49 -0700
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-31 01:24 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 03:19 +0200
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 23:28 -0400
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-03-31 21:26 +1300
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-31 20:33 +1100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:12 +0200
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:04 +0200
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:03 +0200
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 09:01 -0400
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-31 15:32 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:38 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 08:20 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:07 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 14:35 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:41 +0200
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-31 11:06 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:27 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 20:25 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-31 21:05 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-01 13:37 +0100
Re: GNU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 09:49 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-01 21:06 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 04:10 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 12:23 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-01 13:37 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-01 20:18 +0200
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-01 15:22 -0700
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 18:58 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 11:38 +0100
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-04-03 21:56 +1300
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 12:27 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-03 19:17 +0000
Steam "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-03 22:14 +0200
Re: Steam c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-03 16:25 -0400
Re: Steam rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-04 00:45 +0000
Re: Steam c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-03 22:46 -0400
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-01 15:25 -0700
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 19:00 -0700
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 11:52 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 20:39 +0000
Re: GNU Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 20:32 -0400
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-03 06:56 +0000
Re: GNU nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-04-03 10:47 +0200
Re: GNU "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-04-03 12:21 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 11:16 +0100
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-04-04 00:19 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 05:34 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 11:58 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 11:39 +0100
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-04-02 14:33 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-02 14:59 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 20:03 +0000
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 10:54 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-03 13:43 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-03 23:49 +0000
OT Train travel Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 07:30 +0200
Re: OT Train travel The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 11:31 +0100
Re: OT Train travel "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-03 13:47 +0200
Re: OT Train travel Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 14:37 +0200
Re: GNU athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-02 18:55 +0000
Re: GNU Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-04-02 20:29 +0100
Steamrollers (was Re: GNU) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 14:27 -0700
Re: Steamrollers (was Re: GNU) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 08:15 +0200
Re: Steamrollers (was Re: GNU) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 11:21 +0100
Re: Steamrollers (was Re: GNU) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 14:32 +0200
Re: Steamrollers (was Re: GNU) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-03 16:58 -0400
Re: Steamrollers nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-04-04 11:07 +0200
Re: Steamrollers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-04 13:42 +0200
Re: Steamrollers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-04 13:22 -0400
Re: Steamrollers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-04 19:34 +0000
Re: Steamrollers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-05 03:32 +0000
chip and seal (was: Steamrollers) Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2026-04-05 13:36 +0000
Re: chip and seal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-05 20:49 +0200
Re: chip and seal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-05 20:46 +0100
Re: chip and seal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-05 22:13 +0000
Re: chip and seal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-06 13:17 +0200
Re: chip and seal - and African roads Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-07 20:33 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 20:08 +0000
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-02 13:52 -0700
Re: GNU snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-04-04 01:47 +0100
Re: GNU Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 07:33 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 09:56 +0100
Re: GNU Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-04-03 22:04 +1300
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 12:32 +0100
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-02 23:56 +0200
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 05:29 +0000
School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-02 05:33 +0200
Re: School stories rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 19:33 +0000
Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 07:16 +0200
Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 10:45 +0100
Re: School stories Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-04-03 18:00 +0100
Re: School stories athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-03 18:58 +0000
Re: School stories Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 15:59 -0400
Re: School stories rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-04 00:35 +0000
Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-04 13:26 +0100
Re: School stories Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-04-04 18:56 +0100
Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:19 -0700
Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-04 03:22 +0200
Re: School stories Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 23:46 -0400
Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-05 05:27 +0200
Re: School stories Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-04 08:52 +0100
Re: School stories "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-04 13:50 +0200
Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:28 -0700
Re: School stories "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-05 04:07 +0200
Re: School stories John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 07:45 -0700
Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-07 05:44 +0200
Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-06 21:01 -0700
Re: School stories Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-04 14:24 +0000
Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:32 -0700
Re: School stories Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-04-16 23:05 -0700
Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 10:43 +0100
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:24 +0100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 20:29 +0000
Re: GNU Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-04-01 11:51 +1100
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 04:40 +0000
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 22:35 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 08:38 +0000
Re: GNU Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 05:35 -0700
Re: GNU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 21:50 +0000
Re: GNU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:22 +0200
Re: GNU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 14:32 +0100
Re: GNU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-30 22:39 -0700
Fountain pens (was: Re: GNU) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-31 07:00 +0100
Re: Fountain pens (was: Re: GNU) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 08:42 +0000
Re: Fountain pens c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-31 21:36 -0400
Re: Fountain pens "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-31 12:30 +0200
Re: Fountain pens Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 11:22 +0100
Re: Fountain pens "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-03 14:12 +0200
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 07:16 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85178 |
On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >> >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >> libertarian school. > >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 10:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qo278$1qj4s$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85223 |
On 03/04/2026 06:16, Steve Hayes wrote: > On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >> >>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>> >>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>> libertarian school. >> >> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. > > Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual > exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely > adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. > > I know of people who suffered the same in European schools. I was a 'pretty' boy too, and had to constantly fend off advances. > > > -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | Janet <nobody@home.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 18:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <MPG.443a026fb186b5b19896cc@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #85223 |
In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... > > On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > > > >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. > >> > >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver > >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a > >> libertarian school. > > > >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. > >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. > > Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual > exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely > adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring to that American activity. He was probably talking about the different British custom fagging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging Janet
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| From | athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 18:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <1775242700-12588@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #85290 |
Janet <nobody@home.com> posted: > In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, > hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... > > > > On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > > > > > >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. > > >> > > >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver > > >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a > > >> libertarian school. > > > > > >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. > > >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. > > > > Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual > > exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely > > adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. > > > I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring > to that American activity. He was probably talking about the > different British custom fagging > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging > I agree. The British term for hazing was ragging. It didn't happen at Oxford in my time (1961–1967), not at Wadham, anyway; at least, I never heard that it did. My sister never reported anything of that sort at St. Andrews. However, it did occur in some other universities. -- athel Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that, with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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| From | Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 15:59 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <i160tkts3rmd6tujde6t79obnr38traghb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85297 |
On Fri, 03 Apr 2026 18:58:20 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com
<user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>Janet <nobody@home.com> posted:
>
>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>,
>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>> >
>> > On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools.
>> > >>
>> > >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver
>> > >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a
>> > >> libertarian school.
>> > >
>> > >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones.
>> > >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element.
>> >
>> > Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual
>> > exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely
>> > adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well.
>>
>>
>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring
>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the
>> different British custom fagging
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>
>I agree. The British term for hazing was ragging. It didn't happen at Oxford
>in my time (1961–1967), not at Wadham, anyway; at least, I never heard that
>it did. My sister never reported anything of that sort at St. Andrews. However,
>it did occur in some other universities.
One major differences is that in American universities the hazing is
in fraternities and sororities where the "actives" haze the "pledges".
There's no hazing in the general student body.
I was in a fraternity (1956-1960) as both a pledge and an active.
("Active" is the term used to describe a fraternity member who has
been initiated into the group. Prior to initiation, the person is a
pledge.
My hazing included swallowing live goldfish, being paddled, and
suffering various other indignities including an "ice cube race".
An ice cube race was where the pledges raced across the floor with an
ice cube wedged in the buttocks. We had to do it several times until
we finally figured out the objective was for all to finish at the same
time rather than one person winning. Teamwork exercise.
My son was in a fraternity at University of Alabama, but the hazing by
that time was just having to do errands or tasks for the actives.
My daughter was in a university sorority, but there was no hazing of
any kind.
I don't think hazing beneficially contributed to my life experience,
but - then - I don't think it contribitued non-beneficially, either.
It was just the way things were at the time.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 00:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <n3b4mcFrlqtU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #85304 |
On Fri, 03 Apr 2026 15:59:47 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote: > I don't think hazing beneficially contributed to my life experience, but > - > then - I don't think it contribitued non-beneficially, either. It was > just the way things were at the time. I was in Gamma Delta Iota aka God Damn Independent. Sigma Alpha Epsilon held car rallys I participated in and I went to one of the parties afterwards but that is as close as I got. I don't think they were all that big at that school.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 13:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qr017$m4tr$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85297 |
On 03/04/2026 19:58, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote: > > Janet <nobody@home.com> posted: > >> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>> >>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>> >>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>>>> >>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>>>> libertarian school. >>>> >>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>> >>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >> >> >> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >> different British custom fagging >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >> > I agree. The British term for hazing was ragging. It didn't happen at Oxford > in my time (1961–1967), not at Wadham, anyway; at least, I never heard that > it did. My sister never reported anything of that sort at St. Andrews. However, > it did occur in some other universities. > Well fagging was a distinctly boarding school system: in day school one was merely bullied by other bots and caned by the head master :-) -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | Janet <nobody@home.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 18:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <MPG.443b61359c0c34859896cd@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #85297 |
In article <1775242700-12588@newsgrouper.org>, athel.cb@gmail.com says... > > Janet <nobody@home.com> posted: > > > In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, > > hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... > > > > > > On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > > > > > >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > > > > > > > >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. > > > >> > > > >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver > > > >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a > > > >> libertarian school. > > > > > > > >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. > > > >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. > > > > > > Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual > > > exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely > > > adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. > > > > > > I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring > > to that American activity. He was probably talking about the > > different British custom fagging > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging > > > I agree. The British term for hazing was ragging. It didn't happen at Oxford > in my time (1961?1967), not at Wadham, anyway; at least, I never heard that > it did. My sister never reported anything of that sort at St. Andrews. However, > it did occur in some other universities. = We had Rag Week, nothing to do with US hazing. Kipling was writing abour English Public schools; not universities. Janet
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 13:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qrro7$v66q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85379 |
On 4/4/26 10:56, Janet wrote: > In article <1775242700-12588@newsgrouper.org>, athel.cb@gmail.com > says... >> >> Janet <nobody@home.com> posted: >> >>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>> >>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>>>>> libertarian school. >>>>> >>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>>> >>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>> >>> >>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>> different British custom fagging >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >>> >> I agree. The British term for hazing was ragging. It didn't happen at Oxford >> in my time (1961?1967), not at Wadham, anyway; at least, I never heard that >> it did. My sister never reported anything of that sort at St. Andrews. However, >> it did occur in some other universities. = > > We had Rag Week, nothing to do with US hazing. > > Kipling was writing abour English Public schools; not universities. And remember what you call a Public School in the UK we call a Private School in the USA and I even went to a Private but Parochial HS. Principal form of Hazing was playing dodgeball on handball courts. I am not athletic so escaped this nonsense by simple refusal. bliss > > Janet > >
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 03:22 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <cmp0tk56r8q56lnl8enqmcn746vkh954c6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85290 |
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >> >> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >> > >> >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >> >> >> >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >> >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >> >> libertarian school. >> > >> >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >> >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >> >> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. > > > I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >different British custom fagging > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were lower than shark shit. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-03 23:46 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <ta21tktj9p0t1sbpfs44p9s1vrp6ioqok4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85331 |
On Sat, 04 Apr 2026 03:22:38 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: > >>In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>> >>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>> >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>> > >>> >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>> >> >>> >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>> >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>> >> libertarian school. >>> > >>> >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>> >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>> >>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >> >> >> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>different British custom fagging >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging > >I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >lower than shark shit. Happy to add to your knowledge of Americanisms: the phrase here is "lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean".
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-05 05:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <6hl3tkl35fugavrlk1nov56cpcsnqgl7ba@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85338 |
On Fri, 03 Apr 2026 23:46:32 -0400, Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 04 Apr 2026 03:22:38 +0200, Steve Hayes ><hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >>On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >> >>>In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>>hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>> >>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>>> >> >>>> >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>>> >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>>> >> libertarian school. >>>> > >>>> >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>>> >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>>> >>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>> >>> >>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>>to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>>different British custom fagging >>> >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >> >>I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >>something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >>at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >>humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >>lower than shark shit. > > >Happy to add to your knowledge of Americanisms: the phrase here is >"lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean". Similar sentiment. Students round the world have much in common, whether they go to uni, varsity or college. But Kipling & Lewis were talking about secondary, & not tertiary educational institutions. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 08:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qqg0k$gbh6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85331 |
(Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to alt.unix.geeks?) On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: > On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: > >>In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>> >>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>> >On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>> > >>> >> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>> >> >>> >> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>> >> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>> >> libertarian school. >>> > >>> >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>> >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>> >>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >> >> >> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>different British custom fagging >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging > > I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant > something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" > at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were > humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were > lower than shark shit. It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for orientation and integration purposes without harassment or humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume it's good because it can be less strong... -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 13:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <2ia7amxg4q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #85343 |
On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote: > (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to alt.unix.geeks?) > > On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: > >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >> >>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>> >>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The Silver >>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>>>>> libertarian school. >>>>> >>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>>> >>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>> >>> >>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>> different British custom fagging >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >> >> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >> lower than shark shit. > > It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with > "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for > orientation and integration purposes without harassment or > humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume > it's good because it can be less strong... When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain. However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very mild. At others it was much worse. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 13:28 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qrs9m$vbgg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85348 |
On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote: >> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to >> alt.unix.geeks?) >> >> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>>> >>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public schools. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in "The >>>>>>> Silver >>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was ostensibly a >>>>>>> libertarian school. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the >>>>>> older ones. >>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual >>>>>> element. >>>>> >>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>>> different British custom fagging >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >>> >>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >>> lower than shark shit. >> >> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with >> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for >> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or >> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume >> it's good because it can be less strong... > > When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The > studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain. > > However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation > for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very mild. > At others it was much worse. > Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to te Greek Letter clubs. In some of the USA's great universities like Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the members promise to support one another in their business and political lives. A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has contributed several presidents and other high officials to the USA. Not the worst either since Trump became president. If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War would hold the title. bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-05 04:07 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <7os8amxtmd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #85391 |
On 2026-04-04 22:28, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to >>> alt.unix.geeks?) >>> >>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>>>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public >>>>>>>> schools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in >>>>>>>> "The Silver >>>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was >>>>>>>> ostensibly a >>>>>>>> libertarian school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the >>>>>>> older ones. >>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual >>>>>>> element. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was >>>>>> sexual >>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was >>>>> referring >>>>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>>>> different British custom fagging >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >>>> >>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >>>> lower than shark shit. >>> >>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with >>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for >>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or >>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume >>> it's good because it can be less strong... >> >> When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The >> studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain. >> >> However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation >> for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very >> mild. At others it was much worse. >> > > Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and > group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. > More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which > I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to > te Greek Letter clubs. In some of the USA's great universities like > Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the > members promise to support one another in their business and > political lives. A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has > contributed several presidents and other high officials to the > USA. Not the worst either since Trump became president. > If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War > would hold the title. > > bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955 The "uni halls of residence" where I lived broke this simply by expelling 120 of 200 students the next year. Hard to keep traditions alive. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-06 07:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <20260406074557.00003bb7@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #85391 |
On Sat, 4 Apr 2026 13:28:36 -0700 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: > Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and > group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. [...] In > some of the USA's great universities like Yale and Harvard it builds > bonds that are sustained for life That's certainly the public line whenever a pledge gets killed in a dumb stunt and the traditionalists have to scramble to explain to the cops and the media how this is Fine, Actually. Sounds a lot more high- minded than "institutionalized abuse of newbies is the means by which sociopaths who get off on tormenting people find a socially-acceptable outlet for their disease." It's no friggin' wonder these people end up in politics and Management.
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-07 05:44 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <fuu8tk1alir683efb8p4s5krn77cgcmh78@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85456 |
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 07:45:57 -0700, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 4 Apr 2026 13:28:36 -0700 >Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and >> group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. [...] In >> some of the USA's great universities like Yale and Harvard it builds >> bonds that are sustained for life > >That's certainly the public line whenever a pledge gets killed in a >dumb stunt and the traditionalists have to scramble to explain to the >cops and the media how this is Fine, Actually. Sounds a lot more high- >minded than "institutionalized abuse of newbies is the means by which >sociopaths who get off on tormenting people find a socially-acceptable >outlet for their disease." > >It's no friggin' wonder these people end up in politics and Management. From a US dictionary: haze 3 of 3 verb (2) hazed; hazing transitive verb 1 a : to harass by exacting unnecessary or disagreeable work b : to harass by banter, ridicule, or criticism 2 : to play tricks on or force to do unpleasant or unsafe things as initiation haze the fraternity pledges 3 Western US : to drive (animals, such as cattle or horses) from horseback hazer noun From Wikipedia: Ragging Ragging is the term used for the so-called "initiation ritual" practiced in higher education institutions in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. The practice is similar to hazing in North America, fagging in the UK, bizutage in France, praxe in Portugal, and other similar practices in educational institutions across the world. Ragging involves abuse, humiliation, or harassment of new entrants or junior students by the senior students Continued in Wikipedia I understood "ragging" to be a synonym for "teasing" generally, and not as specifically applied to initiation rituals. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-06 21:01 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10r1vin$2iplv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85490 |
On 4/6/26 20:44, Steve Hayes wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 07:45:57 -0700, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Apr 2026 13:28:36 -0700 >> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: >> >>> Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and >>> group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. [...] In >>> some of the USA's great universities like Yale and Harvard it builds >>> bonds that are sustained for life >> >> That's certainly the public line whenever a pledge gets killed in a >> dumb stunt and the traditionalists have to scramble to explain to the >> cops and the media how this is Fine, Actually. Sounds a lot more high- >> minded than "institutionalized abuse of newbies is the means by which >> sociopaths who get off on tormenting people find a socially-acceptable >> outlet for their disease." >> >> It's no friggin' wonder these people end up in politics and Management. > > From a US dictionary: > > > > haze > 3 of 3 > verb (2) > hazed; hazing > > transitive verb > 1 > a > : to harass by exacting unnecessary or disagreeable work > b > : to harass by banter, ridicule, or criticism > 2 > : to play tricks on or force to do unpleasant or unsafe things as initiation > haze the fraternity pledges > 3 > Western US : to drive (animals, such as cattle or horses) from > horseback > hazer noun > > From Wikipedia: > > Ragging > Ragging is the term used for the so-called "initiation ritual" > practiced in higher education institutions in India, Pakistan, > Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. The practice is similar to hazing in > North America, fagging in the UK, bizutage in France, praxe in > Portugal, and other similar practices in educational institutions > across the world. Ragging involves abuse, humiliation, or harassment > of new entrants or junior students by the senior students Continued in > Wikipedia > > I understood "ragging" to be a synonym for "teasing" generally, and > not as specifically applied to initiation rituals. > I do not think you would be wrong but that is where a lot of it is found in schools following traditions passed down within 'in groups'. bliss
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-04 14:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Message-ID | <10qr6u4$obab$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85343 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to alt.unix.geeks?) > > On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: > >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >> >>>In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>>hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>> >>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones. >>>> >In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element. >>>> >>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual >>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>> >>> >>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was referring >>>to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>>different British custom fagging >>> >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >> >> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >> lower than shark shit. > > It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with > "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for > orientation and integration purposes without harassment or > humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume > it's good because it can be less strong... It is likely the "social clique" version of the "five monkeys experiment" <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/games-primates-play/201203/what-monkeys-can-teach-us-about-human-behavior-facts-fiction> from business/government that is often used to explain how some long outdated process continues to remain "the policy". Because "that is the way it has always been done", even though no one doing the process, nor no one mandating the process as policy, remembers why the process was done in the way it is done. The current "social clique" members had to undergo the torture to gain their status as "in" members of the clique, so therefore all new entrants have to also undergo the same torture the current "in" members underwent in order for the new entrants to prove their worthiness for inclusion in the clique. I.e., "because we have always done it that way".
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