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  Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 10:58 +0000
    Re: Arch Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-08-17 15:40 +0200
      Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:46 +0000
        Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 16:06 +0000
          Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 06:35 +0000
            Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:02 +0000
              Re: Arch Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-20 06:57 -0400
                Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:27 +0000
                  Re: Arch Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-21 09:37 -0400
                    Re: Arch Linux pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-08-21 14:20 +0000
                      Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 19:15 +0000
    Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:51 +0000
      Re: Arch Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-08-17 23:00 +0200
        Re: Arch Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-08-17 23:01 +0200
          Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 +0000
        Re: Arch Linux 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-08-17 23:10 +0200
          Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 23:01 +0000
            Re: Arch Linux Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-08-18 08:12 +0000
              Re: Arch Linux "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 04:22 -0400
                Re: Arch Linux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:31 +0000
                  Re: Arch Linux "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 04:37 -0400
                    Re: Arch Linux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:48 +0000
                      Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 17:00 +0000
                        Re: Arch Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-18 13:34 -0400
                      Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 06:19 +0000
                        Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:06 +0000
                          Re: Arch Linux Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-08-19 09:05 +0000
                            Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:42 +0000
                  Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 06:15 +0000
              Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 16:55 +0000
              Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 06:13 +0000
            Re: Arch Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-18 07:22 -0400
              Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 16:04 +0000
      Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:50 +0000
        Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 16:49 +0000
          Re: Arch Linux RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 06:38 +0000
            Re: Arch Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:11 +0000

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#720385 — Arch Linux

After all these years, I finally tried Arch Linux. I'm impressed with it, 
fast booting, works well. I didn't install it the "Arch way" — I just used 
the Archinstall script they include on the disk. Total time to install, 
about 15 minutes. Just walks you through the steps, let's you choose your 
desktop (I went with Cinnamon) and you can save your install script for 
future installations. (I think I remember that CentOS (before being bought 
by Red Hat) doing that back in the day. Of course it was Red Hat feature).

It's a bare bones install, but it didn't take long to learn "sudo pacman 
-Suy application" instead of "sudo apt install application." It boots and 
shuts down quickly. (Probably because there's not a lot going on in the 
background.) It runs cooler than Linux Mint. At first my video wasn't very 
good, but I searched Arch's Wiki and found that I needed to install Mesa. 
That was easy. 

I guess I'll see what's it like on the "cutting edge" for a while. I'm doing 
this because the person who made an AppImage for Trelby used Arch, and he's 
got a script to do that. I tried unsuccessfully to convert the Arch shell 
script into a Debian shell script, so I thought, "why fight it," I'll just 
use Arch. But I didn't expect it to be this easy to install. I haven't tried 
compiling a Trelby AppImage package yet, but I plan on trying.

At any rate I like Arch Linux. So far it's been easy to work with.

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#720394

W dniu 17.08.2026 o 12:58, RonB pisze:
> At any rate I like Arch Linux. So far it's been easy to work with.

Everything is clear, but one question remain without answer:

Is it Arch cosher?

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#720500

On 2026-08-17, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote:
> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 12:58, RonB pisze:
>> At any rate I like Arch Linux. So far it's been easy to work with.
>
> Everything is clear, but one question remain without answer:
>
> Is it Arch cosher?

I don't know. :) I don't know much about Arch, but with the Archinstall 
application, they supply, it's pretty easy to install. 

I did read a few comments on Reddit that said you wouldn't be regarded as a 
"true" Arch user if you used the application that they provide. I never was 
much for cliques anyhow.

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#720541

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 07:46:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:


> I did read a few comments on Reddit that said you wouldn't be regarded
> as a "true" Arch user if you used the application that they provide. I
> never was much for cliques anyhow.

'I use Arch btw', said with nose elevated in the air. I hacked fastfetch 
to show I was a true Arch user and not a EOS wimp.

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#720602

On 2026-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 07:46:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>
>> I did read a few comments on Reddit that said you wouldn't be regarded
>> as a "true" Arch user if you used the application that they provide. I
>> never was much for cliques anyhow.
>
> 'I use Arch btw', said with nose elevated in the air. I hacked fastfetch 
> to show I was a true Arch user and not a EOS wimp.

I used Arch a good part of the day, but I still like Linux Mint as well. I'm 
surprised at how easy Arch is to work with. I've been testing a new 
Fountain-based screenwriting application that's in beta, and it requires 
brand new libraries, not available in Linux Mint (or Debian 13). They're in 
Ubuntu 26.04 however. ?? Not sure how that works. The name of that 
application is ActOne Screenplay. 

I was also testing a new Android writing app called DOSwriter. (That was on 
my phone, however.) Pretty impressive features.

But the main reason I installed Arch was to see if create an AppImage for 
Trelby with the necessary changes in the Python code so Unicode can be used 
for the first time in 16 years of its existence. (Nothing I figured out on 
my own, but for some reason the Trelby maintainer hasn't applied these 
patches yet (they were available in January) — someone else figured out how 
to patch it.

At any rate I'm impressed with Arch. Maybe less so if crashes on me. But, 
for now, it's working great. 

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#720606

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 06:35:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I used Arch a good part of the day, but I still like Linux Mint as well.
> I'm surprised at how easy Arch is to work with. I've been testing a new
> Fountain-based screenwriting application that's in beta, and it requires
> brand new libraries, not available in Linux Mint (or Debian 13). They're
> in Ubuntu 26.04 however. ?? Not sure how that works. The name of that
> application is ActOne Screenplay.

Really, it's just another distro despite the fanbois. It wasn't a big deal 
but 'packman -Syu' was the only outlier in 'zypper update', 'apt update', 
and dnf update'.  Of them all I prefer dnf. It shows you what it wants to 
update and asks if you want to do it rather than the 
apt update', 'apt list --upgradeable', 'apt upgrade' dance.

fwiw Ubuntu 26.04 just replace the 7.0.0.29 kernel with 7.0.0.30. It gets 
newer stuff than Debian but not quite as new as Fedora. Mint is off 
working on Cinnamon/Wayland. Ubuntu 26.04 is a LTS so maybe the next Mint 
(24? I lose track) will grab more.

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#720684

rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 06:35:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I used Arch a good part of the day, but I still like Linux Mint as well.
>> I'm surprised at how easy Arch is to work with. I've been testing a new
>> Fountain-based screenwriting application that's in beta, and it requires
>> brand new libraries, not available in Linux Mint (or Debian 13). They're
>> in Ubuntu 26.04 however. ?? Not sure how that works. The name of that
>> application is ActOne Screenplay.
>
> Really, it's just another distro despite the fanbois. It wasn't a big deal 
> but 'packman -Syu' was the only outlier in 'zypper update', 'apt update', 
> and dnf update'.  Of them all I prefer dnf. It shows you what it wants to 
> update and asks if you want to do it rather than the 
> apt update', 'apt list --upgradeable', 'apt upgrade' dance.

I use aptitude on Debian. It shows all the packages that will be
updated or installed. If there are dependency issues, it shows the
solutions (such as keeping some packages at the same version); you
can step through them and pick the one that's "best".

> fwiw Ubuntu 26.04 just replace the 7.0.0.29 kernel with 7.0.0.30. It gets 
> newer stuff than Debian but not quite as new as Fedora. Mint is off 
> working on Cinnamon/Wayland. Ubuntu 26.04 is a LTS so maybe the next Mint 
> (24? I lose track) will grab more.

Debian Sid is at 7.1.7.

-- 
You will triumph over your enemy.

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#720742

On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 06:57:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I use aptitude on Debian. It shows all the packages that will be updated
> or installed. If there are dependency issues, it shows the solutions
> (such as keeping some packages at the same version); you can step
> through them and pick the one that's "best".

I installed it on Ubuntu and it works. I have all the libreoffice stuff on 
hold since I don't use it and don't care if it ever updates. aptitude 
handles that gracefully unlike the Ubuntu updater that pitches a fit about 
packages on hold. 

It still seems like more work than the straight cli.

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#720775

rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 06:57:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> I use aptitude on Debian. It shows all the packages that will be updated
>> or installed. If there are dependency issues, it shows the solutions
>> (such as keeping some packages at the same version); you can step
>> through them and pick the one that's "best".
>
> I installed it on Ubuntu and it works. I have all the libreoffice stuff on 
> hold since I don't use it and don't care if it ever updates. aptitude 
> handles that gracefully unlike the Ubuntu updater that pitches a fit about 
> packages on hold. 
>
> It still seems like more work than the straight cli.

Not sure about that.

Anyway, when I first installed Debian, the package manager was
dselect, which, as I just verified by installing it, was quite a
bit clunkier than aptitude.

    <https://wiki.debian.org/dselect>

I remember an old colatroll of long ago, "Hadron", who claimed
that the various front ends to dpkg were "a clusterfuck of
incompatible installers" or something to that effect.

-- 
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds.  A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
		-- Clive James

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#720776

On 2026-08-21, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>
>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 06:57:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I use aptitude on Debian. It shows all the packages that will be updated
>>> or installed. If there are dependency issues, it shows the solutions
>>> (such as keeping some packages at the same version); you can step
>>> through them and pick the one that's "best".
>>
>> I installed it on Ubuntu and it works. I have all the libreoffice stuff on 
>> hold since I don't use it and don't care if it ever updates. aptitude 
>> handles that gracefully unlike the Ubuntu updater that pitches a fit about 
>> packages on hold. 
>>
>> It still seems like more work than the straight cli.
>
> Not sure about that.
>
> Anyway, when I first installed Debian, the package manager was
> dselect, which, as I just verified by installing it, was quite a
> bit clunkier than aptitude.
>
>     <https://wiki.debian.org/dselect>
>
> I remember an old colatroll of long ago, "Hadron", who claimed
> that the various front ends to dpkg were "a clusterfuck of
> incompatible installers" or something to that effect.
>

I use apt as well for upgrades and so forth.
I will use the gui MxLinux package manager when looking for a
new program to install because it's easier to find a particular
package even when I don't know the exact name.
I do notice that there have been a lot of kernel updates
recently.
Not sure what that's all about but I haven't encountered any
issues.
This is my current kernel as of today.

$ uname -a
Linux xxxxx 7.1.8-4-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT liquorix
7.1-13mx25ahs (2026-08-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux

-- 
pothead

"The goal of socialism is Communism"
-- Vladimir Lenin

"Communism may be summed up in a single sentence: 'Abolition of private
property"
--  Karl Marx

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money"
-- Margaret Thatcher

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#720784

On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 14:20:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> I use apt as well for upgrades and so forth.
> I will use the gui MxLinux package manager when looking for a new
> program to install because it's easier to find a particular package even
> when I don't know the exact name.

I rarely use the GUI. I tend to install the same applications when setting 
up any distro and know them by name. I seldom go shopping for something 
new. The thing I like about apt is it works on any Debian adjacent distro 
including the Pi without hunting down the GUI for that particular distro. 
For example I had to install aptitude on the Ubuntu box to play with it 
yesterday. I'd also installed Synaptic on that box since AppCenter sucks 
if I do want to shop around.

> I do notice that there have been a lot of kernel updates recently.
> Not sure what that's all about but I haven't encountered any issues.
> This is my current kernel as of today.
> 
> $ uname -a Linux xxxxx 7.1.8-4-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT
> liquorix 7.1-13mx25ahs (2026-08-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux

I didn't go for the ahs kernel in MX. My 4th gen Intel processor on that 
box is hardly advanced hardware so it's still 6.12.101.  Fedora 44 is 
7.1.8.  With 45 coming out shortly I don't think they'll go to 7.2 in 44 
but I may be wrong.

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#720413

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:58:52 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I guess I'll see what's it like on the "cutting edge" for a while. I'm
> doing this because the person who made an AppImage for Trelby used Arch,
> and he's got a script to do that. I tried unsuccessfully to convert the
> Arch shell script into a Debian shell script, so I thought, "why fight
> it," I'll just use Arch. But I didn't expect it to be this easy to
> install. I haven't tried compiling a Trelby AppImage package yet, but I
> plan on trying.
> 
> At any rate I like Arch Linux. So far it's been easy to work with.

I installed EndeavourOS, which is Arch Without Tears. I've done all the 
low level stuff the Arch purists want you to do decades ago and don't need 
a refresher. Endeavor throws in a couple of nice tools like 'yay' to deal 
with AUR. Otherwise it's Arch. I went with KDE.

I liked it. I mean it was KDE although I also installed sway as an 
alternate. It was a tossup of which had more frequent updates, Arch or 
Fedora.

And therein lies the rub. After one update it wouldn't boot. I tried the 
usual techniques to fix it but wasn't successful. I didn't have 
irreplaceable data so eventually I installed SUSE Leap 16, again KDE. I 
figured having at least one box with a staid, trailing edge distro wasn't 
a bad idea. 

Leap seems to have some oddity with VS Code and extensions. 1.127 works 
fine but some of the extensions I use crash on 1.133. No big deal. I 
locked code so it doesn't update. Most of the updates are AI slop anyway.

Good luck!  

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#720427

W dniu 17.08.2026 o 20:51, rbowman pisze:
> Leap seems to have some oddity with VS Code and extensions. 1.127 works
> fine but some of the extensions I use crash on 1.133. No big deal. I
> locked code so it doesn't update. Most of the updates are AI slop anyway.
Micro$lop tools are only for brainless lamers. So you should keep claim 
if you are so lame so unable write own programmer editor.

NOTE: All IDE are evil corpo bloatware. Normal programmer use own 
programmer editor and start GDB TUI external debug session with key 
shortcut. Ask ChatGDB for details (also evil and malicious AI from 
Micro$lop and next candidate to drop from every day tool).

NOTE: GDB TUI force programmer to make many neurotic clicks, but it is 
up to your wisdom to use other smart debug techniques in order to 
minimise use GDB TUI. Yes! Programmer is somebody who must be smarter 
than evil government, evil corpos, evil banks (they feed FOSS 
mercenaries) and evil chicks. Such man save his mind in high condition 
and gain true wisdom. So he will be productive during his entire life 
and will be rewarded on the final court.
But if he will use madware from Micro$lop and similar, then he can lost 
his mid and lost his code and productivity, and he convert himself to 
parasite, then he will be punished on the final court.

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#720428

W dniu 17.08.2026 o 23:00, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
> Ask ChatGDB for details

Typo, should be:

Ask ChatGPT for detail

-- 
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tel.: +48-609-170-742,   najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25;
<jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA;
Domowa s. WWW:                             <https://energokod.gda.pl>;
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Mailowa Samoobrona:             <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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CZYTAJ DARMOWY: "17. Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy":
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#720503

On 2026-08-17, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote:
> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 23:00, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
>> Ask ChatGDB for details
>
> Typo, should be:
>
> Ask ChatGPT for detail

I don't ask AI for anything. I despise AI.

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#720429

W dniu 17.08.2026 o 23:00, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 20:51, rbowman pisze:
>> Leap seems to have some oddity with VS Code and extensions. 1.127 works
>> fine but some of the extensions I use crash on 1.133. No big deal. I
>> locked code so it doesn't update. Most of the updates are AI slop anyway.
> Micro$lop tools are only for brainless lamers. So you should keep claim 
> if you are so lame so unable write own programmer editor.

It is not flame, not personal attack, it is "a buddy-to-buddy reprimand".

-- 
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tel.: +48-609-170-742,   najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25;
<jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA;
Domowa s. WWW:                             <https://energokod.gda.pl>;
Mini Netykieta:         <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>;
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CZYTAJ DARMOWY: "17. Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy":
<https://energokod.gda.pl/raporty-totaliztyczne/17.%20Patroni%20Kontra%20Bankierzy.pdf>

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#720440

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 23:10:44 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 23:00, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
>> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 20:51, rbowman pisze:
>>> Leap seems to have some oddity with VS Code and extensions. 1.127
>>> works fine but some of the extensions I use crash on 1.133. No big
>>> deal. I locked code so it doesn't update. Most of the updates are AI
>>> slop anyway.
>> Micro$lop tools are only for brainless lamers. So you should keep claim
>> if you are so lame so unable write own programmer editor.
> 
> It is not flame, not personal attack, it is "a buddy-to-buddy
> reprimand".

The thrill of writing an editor wore off for me back in the CP/M days. The 
CP/M portable (sort of) that I bought bundled WordStar so I used that. It 
also had vi (NOT vim) which sucked. I did switch to Vim but that was about 
a decade in the future.

Buddy to buddy, if you want to live in 1980, go for it. I'll use VS Code, 
with the Vim extension of course.

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#720506

>rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
>>On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 23:10:44 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
>
>> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 23:00, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
>>> W dniu 17.08.2026 o 20:51, rbowman pisze:
>>>> Leap seems to have some oddity with VS Code and extensions. 1.127
>>>> works fine but some of the extensions I use crash on 1.133. No big
>>>> deal. I locked code so it doesn't update. Most of the updates are AI
>>>> slop anyway.
>>> Micro$lop tools are only for brainless lamers. So you should keep claim
>>> if you are so lame so unable write own programmer editor.
>> 
>> It is not flame, not personal attack, it is "a buddy-to-buddy
>> reprimand".
>
>The thrill of writing an editor wore off for me back in the CP/M days. The 
>CP/M portable (sort of) that I bought bundled WordStar so I used that. It 
>also had vi (NOT vim) which sucked. I did switch to Vim but that was about 
>a decade in the future.
>
>Buddy to buddy, if you want to live in 1980, go for it. I'll use VS Code, 
>with the Vim extension of course.


I am using 'joe' as editor, also to write this message and write all my code.
Been using it for > 26 years?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor

And zsh as shell.
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=In+linux+what+are+the+advantages+of+using+zsh+as+shell%3F

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#720507

On 8/18/2026 4:12 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I am using 'joe' as editor, also to write this message and write all my code.
> Been using it for > 26 years?
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor


I just remembered thanks to you, to download that, great little 
old-school but still useful app.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#720509

At Tue, 18 Aug 2026 04:22:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/2026 4:12 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> 
> > I am using 'joe' as editor, also to write this message and write all my code.
> > Been using it for > 26 years?
> >   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor
> 
> 
> I just remembered thanks to you, to download that, great little 
> old-school but still useful app.

I've been using joe since 1992, when it was included on the MCC interim
release of Linux.

34 years, works great.  (Someday, I'll get around to adding an
external editor function to this newsreader...)

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