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  Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-12 15:26 +0000
    Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-12 22:49 +0000
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 17:55 -0500
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 21:16 -0600
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-13 12:06 +0000
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 14:03 -0600
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 13:51 -0700
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-15 10:17 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-13 09:40 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 18:29 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:45 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 22:05 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:11 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:06 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0000
                Linux gaming (was: Re: Who Knows Hardware?) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 00:26 +0000
                  Re: Linux gaming CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 09:52 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 12:31 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:05 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 16:27 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:32 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:13 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:20 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 18:24 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 19:42 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:28 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:13 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:59 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-14 07:52 -0600
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:36 +0000
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:24 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 10:38 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:34 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:23 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 14:00 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:37 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:56 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0500
                      Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:34 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:05 -0500
                          Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:27 +0000
                            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:18 -0500
                              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:47 +0000
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:31 -0500
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:19 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:36 -0500
                                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:50 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:08 +0000
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:31 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:19 -0500

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#680575

Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>
>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>
>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>> a difference.
>>
>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
> 
> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's 
motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their 
hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company 
supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>> it.
>>
>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
> 
> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
> at least) and I didn't like it.

I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is 
also synchronized on the cloud.

>>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>>
>> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.
> 
> Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually 
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as 
it should.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680635

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>
>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>> a difference.
>>>
>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>> 
>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>
> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's 
> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their 
> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company 
> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think 
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from 
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>> 
>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>
> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is 
> also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

>>>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>>>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>>>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>>>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>>>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>>>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>>>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>>>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>>>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>>>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>>>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>>>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>>>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>>>
>>> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.
>> 
>> Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?
>
> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually 
> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as 
> it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's 
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680657

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>>> a difference.
>>>>
>>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>>
>> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
>> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
>> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
>> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.
> 
> I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
> he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
> home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you 
to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It 
sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the 
payment didn't go through. 
<https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

>>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>>>
>>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>>
>> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
>> also synchronized on the cloud.
> 
> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and 
encrypted as a last resort.

>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>> it should.
> 
> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to 
in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging 
no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680689

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>>>> a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>>>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>>>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>>>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>>>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
>>> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
>>> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
>>> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.
>> 
>> I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
>> he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
>> home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)
>
> I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you 
> to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It 
> sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the 
> payment didn't go through. 
><https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this 
but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was 
(is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four? 
maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up 
and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to 
force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because 
someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a 
pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to 
see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine 
on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.

What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts 
for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop. 
Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action 
lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud. 

And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code 
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

>>>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>>>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>>>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>>>
>>> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
>>> also synchronized on the cloud.
>> 
>> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).
>
> I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and 
> encrypted as a last resort.

Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is 
exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

>>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>>> it should.
>> 
>> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
>> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.
>
> It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to 
> in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging 
> no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my 
case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680706

Le 2024-12-18 à 06:47, RonB a écrit :

>> I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
>> to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
>> sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
>> payment didn't go through.
>> <https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>
> 
> I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this
> but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was
> (is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four?
> maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up
> and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to
> force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because
> someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a
> pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to
> see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine
> on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.
> 
> What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts
> for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop.
> Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action
> lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud.
> 
> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

If this is the way all companies work nowadays, I'm probably not going 
to buy another one or at least research which company I can buy from 
going forward to avoid this kind of garbage. Apparently, Brother is the 
only one.

>>>
>>> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).
>>
>> I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
>> encrypted as a last resort.
> 
> Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is
> exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

All your data has to be away from the user and on the web! Why do you 
refuse to comply?!

>>>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>>>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>>>> it should.
>>>
>>> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
>>> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.
>>
>> It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
>> in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
>> no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.
> 
> I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my
> case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

When I retire, I'll probably be in the same boat.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680724

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of 
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't 
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me. 
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to 
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It 
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print 
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's 
usual test drive filling.

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#680743

Le 2024-12-18 à 14:19, rbowman a écrit :
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
> 
>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
> 
> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
> usual test drive filling.

The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints 
before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge 
for it.

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CrudeSausage

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#680775

On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 14:19, rbowman a écrit :
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>> 
>>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
>> 
>> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
>> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
>> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
>> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
>> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
>> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
>> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
>> usual test drive filling.
>
> The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints 
> before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge 
> for it.

These Espons I'm talking don't have replaceable cartridges. You just buy the 
ink. They're called EccoTank printers. Basically the same system we used to 
print signs and banners at the print shop where I worked, except on a much 
smaller scale.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680774

On 2024-12-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
>
> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of 
> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't 
> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me. 
> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to 
> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It 
> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print 
> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's 
> usual test drive filling.

That's what really ticked me off about this printer. They sold it at a 
higher price, specifically emphasizing the value of the cheaper ink. I 
assumed they did this because they were tired of losing supply revenue to 
generic ink makers. And their ink is relatively cheap. We've always bought 
OEM ink with this one because the price is reasonable and the quality is 
good. What they didn't tell us is that they have a meter that shuts down 
the printer down at a certain number of printed pages.

We had a Brother color laser printer, but we couldn't keep the heads aligned 
worth a dang. I like Brother b/w laser printers, but not that color one. The 
toner was also very expensive. My wife prints colored charts (and laminates 
some of them) for her students. The ink jet does a better job with these 
than a color laser printer. So the Epson ink printer works really well for 
what she needs. I'll pay the $10 to fully reset the meter when the time 
comes that it quits on us again. It's been going for quite a while on the 
partial reset. I still don't like this tactic, however.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680615

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:34:21 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it
> was a piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their
> consumer laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can
> be said for Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long
> time now.

My Acer laptop is a Ryzen 7.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-4700u.c2282

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPw4heT_LGw

The review reports 11 hour battery life, low temperatures and noise. He 
pings it for display brightness and color definition but for my use that's 
not a factor.  Mine is from 2020 as in the review. The current Swift 3 AMD 
uses the Ryzen 5. It is now running Windows 11.

The Ubuntu system I'm writing on is a Beelink mini that also has the 4700I 
with 16 GB of memory. The only time the fan noise is noticeable is on a 
reboot. 

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#680201

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-13 à 22:05, DFS a écrit :
>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
>>> That keeps me here.
>> 
>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that 
>> thought for 3+ decades.
>> 
>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to 
>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>> 
>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>
> Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete 
> with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the 
> resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life 
> which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux 
> but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like 
> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

I have laptops that can run both Linux and Windows. When running Windows the 
fans come on often. When running Linux they don't. Also in Windows there 
seems to be almost constant SSD (or Hard Drive) activity when I'm doing 
nothing. In Linux this activity is almost non-existent. So, at least with my 
business machines, your claim for superior battery life in Windows is not 
true — maybe a game machine with high powered GPU would make a difference 
here, so maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680307

Le 2024-12-14 à 11:31, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-13 à 22:05, DFS a écrit :
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>
>> Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete
>> with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the
>> resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life
>> which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux
>> but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like
>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
> 
> I have laptops that can run both Linux and Windows. When running Windows the
> fans come on often. When running Linux they don't. Also in Windows there
> seems to be almost constant SSD (or Hard Drive) activity when I'm doing
> nothing. In Linux this activity is almost non-existent. So, at least with my
> business machines, your claim for superior battery life in Windows is not
> true — maybe a game machine with high powered GPU would make a difference
> here, so maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges.

This isn't a claim; it's been shown by a number of articles all easily 
searchable on the Internet. When it comes to battery life, Linux simply 
doesn't conserve energy as well as a Windows machine does. However, I'll 
be the first to admit that the SSD activity is much more prominent under 
Windows than it is in Linux. Funny enough, when I upgraded my SSD to a 
2TB Samsung Evo 990, that activity light turned on way more than it ever 
did with the 1TB Sc Hynix I used before. It might be the result of this 
SSD not having DRAM though.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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