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Re: Who Knows Hardware?

From RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Who Knows Hardware?
Date 2024-12-17 21:27 +0000
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On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>
>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>> a difference.
>>>
>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>> 
>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>
> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's 
> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their 
> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company 
> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think 
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from 
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>> 
>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>
> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is 
> also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

>>>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>>>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>>>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>>>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>>>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>>>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>>>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>>>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>>>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>>>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>>>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>>>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>>>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>>>
>>> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.
>> 
>> Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?
>
> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually 
> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as 
> it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's 
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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