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| First post | 2018-06-01 05:53 +0200 |
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Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-01 05:53 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 08:41 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 08:23 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ooze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 10:12 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit calls the cops when he steps on his dick <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 07:29 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:05 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-01 08:16 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 16:59 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:06 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 19:02 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2018-06-02 01:09 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 19:24 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:21 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 11:36 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:01 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-06-01 13:14 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:15 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit ignores the 9th amendment <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 15:19 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-01 23:44 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:57 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:03 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 19:24 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:27 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit ignores the 9th amendment <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 16:54 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:21 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 05:23 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:20 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:25 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 16:31 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:35 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 16:43 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:59 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 15:12 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-03 17:35 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:19 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:23 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:17 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <nobody@haph.org> - 2018-06-03 16:42 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 13:49 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:50 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 17:02 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:59 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:20 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 11:11 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 10:38 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2018-06-08 18:40 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 13:03 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-06-08 12:20 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 11:21 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:31 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:14 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Knarf Gewtools <that@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-08 20:12 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 17:54 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2018-06-09 01:04 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Karen <karen.sandler@videoanimationshub.com> - 2018-06-09 16:10 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:00 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-06-01 11:36 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 11:40 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit wants to repeal the 2A <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 09:51 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:03 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2018-06-02 00:12 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:23 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:02 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 14:14 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit wants to repeal the 2A <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 11:39 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-06-02 00:19 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-06-01 22:21 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-06-02 00:25 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 09:15 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:36 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:39 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-06-01 22:44 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:57 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:01 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 22:03 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:12 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Md" <mdhonda6@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 03:43 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit ignores the 9th amendment <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 16:06 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2018-06-02 02:10 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2018-06-02 01:36 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:32 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:18 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:26 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <nobody@haph.org> - 2018-06-01 19:47 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:14 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:21 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2018-06-01 17:38 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 01:19 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit ignores the 9th amendment <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 17:40 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:18 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:19 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 03:14 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:23 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 03:39 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:55 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:01 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 21:04 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:12 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:25 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 04:40 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:43 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 23:57 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:04 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 10:18 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 18:28 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:54 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2018-06-02 17:30 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 22:36 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-02 22:13 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 21:21 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 11:01 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 11:21 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 11:28 -0700
Re: Off-Topic in the privacy group "Orland" <orland.tamlinson@aol.com> - 2018-06-03 02:41 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 03:23 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 20:45 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 13:12 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 21:19 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 03:29 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-03 18:52 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 21:20 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-04 00:18 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-12 23:22 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-06-14 00:29 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:01 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:15 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 22:40 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-03 03:08 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 20:48 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:05 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 01:18 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:15 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2018-06-02 04:56 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:08 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 06:13 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:09 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit calls the cops when he steps on his dick <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 06:27 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-06-01 08:40 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit calls the cops when he steps on his dick <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 07:14 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-01 23:43 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2018-06-01 19:19 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 00:24 +0100
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 17:57 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit ignores the 9th amendment <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 18:27 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 11:21 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 11:38 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 10:42 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:02 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 10:40 -0500
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit calls the cops when he steps on his dick <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 09:03 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 17:54 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <nobody@haph.org> - 2018-06-01 21:48 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 09:28 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 09:55 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 07:31 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-02 17:48 +0200
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 10:24 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:41 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Landon" <coordinarter@googlemail.com> - 2018-06-02 21:05 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 22:38 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0700
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 00:42 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Landom" <coordinarter@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:57 +0000
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 23:14 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-06-02 23:46 -0400
Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-03 09:44 -0400
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 00:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <020620180001477608%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #453192 |
In article <fneipoFs3e4U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > > I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to > install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a > lot of the people I have worked with. get them a chromebook or an ipad.
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| From | Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 21:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1396cc71-1c33-4cd4-afd9-26d410e1738b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453193 |
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
> In article <fneipoFs3e4U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to
> > install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a
> > lot of the people I have worked with.
>
> get them a chromebook or an ipad.
From what I've seen (which is none of it lately), it looks like the trolling nonsense got more sophisticated.
Just some names Steve Carroll has used
"Evil" John *
"Evil" Snit *
Big Crotch on a Small Fish
Cornelius Munshower
CSMA Moderator
Edward Stanfield
Fretwiz *
Hitman Hero
Measles
Petruzzellis Kids
Sigmond
Slaveen
Smit
Steve C *
Steve Camoll *
Steve Carroll <noone@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll <stevecarroll@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll <trollkiller@xxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll's Dog *
Steve Carrolll *
Steve Carrroll *
Yevette Owens
Yobo_Obyo
What is Steve Carroll's system for the flooding crap? AppleScript? That is the only language he knows, at least that I have seen. He must be programming it to produce these goofy "spam" idiotic threads. Here is my hypothesis, Steve Carroll took a FireFox extension that he pirated and pretended was his... he's feeding it Snit's posts, grabbing random paragraphs, then editing those using value iteration and then he directly posts them because his obsessiveness enables him to do that essentially ceaselessly.
Now let's see, who knows the DOM API, is an insomniac, has forged Snit's ID, has motive and is a colossal immatureloser who posts ignorant claptrap even when he's not flooding... AND... who tries to blame everything _he_ is doing on "anyone he can" and has for his whole life?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 21:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnejpbFs8l7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453193 |
On 6/1/18 9:01 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <fneipoFs3e4U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> >> I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to >> install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a >> lot of the people I have worked with. > > get them a chromebook or an ipad. > Have suggested both to people (though I do not know Chrome Books well and let them know that). I know the ChromeBook reviews well, but most of the folks I know who have used them do not like them. Not sure why... I have not worked with them enough to really say. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 00:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <020620180025111860%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #453198 |
In article <fnejpbFs8l7U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> > >> I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to > >> install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a > >> lot of the people I have worked with. > > > > get them a chromebook or an ipad. > > > Have suggested both to people (though I do not know Chrome Books well > and let them know that). > > I know the ChromeBook reviews well, but most of the folks I know who > have used them do not like them. Not sure why... I have not worked with > them enough to really say. probably because they aren't familiar with them. for common tasks (email, word processing, web browsing, etc.), they're a very good choice. some can even run android apps.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 21:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnel6fFsfm5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453200 |
On 6/1/18 9:25 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <fnejpbFs8l7U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to >>>> install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a >>>> lot of the people I have worked with. >>> >>> get them a chromebook or an ipad. >>> >> Have suggested both to people (though I do not know Chrome Books well >> and let them know that). >> >> I know the ChromeBook reviews well, but most of the folks I know who >> have used them do not like them. Not sure why... I have not worked with >> them enough to really say. > > probably because they aren't familiar with them. Could be. I know my kids use them at a friend's house and hate them, but they are used to Macs (and somewhat Windows). They have very little exposure to Linux other than our "TV" system. > for common tasks (email, word processing, web browsing, etc.), they're > a very good choice. some can even run android apps. > I have heard that is coming... -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 04:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180602002117@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #453192 |
On 2018-06-02, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to > install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a > lot of the people I have worked with. Yes, the machine is limited, that's one of the ways they keep it simple and reliable. It's aimed at people who have no concept of what installing a program even means. Also, you can hook up any kind of printer you want as long as it's an HP. :) (The machine comes pre-loaded with HP's HLIP software for Linux.) Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of Buck Rogers, loves the thing. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 21:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnelj0FshuqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453203 |
On 6/1/18 9:40 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > On 2018-06-02, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to >> install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a >> lot of the people I have worked with. > > Yes, the machine is limited, that's one of the ways they keep it simple > and reliable. It's aimed at people who have no concept of what installing > a program even means. Also, you can hook up any kind of printer you want > as long as it's an HP. :) (The machine comes pre-loaded with HP's HLIP > software for Linux.) I get that -- though I fear they may have gone too far for many. Really want to play with one now though. > Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, > but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who > really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating > to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, > who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of > Buck Rogers, loves the thing. That is the target market I am sure. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fneqqiFteu0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453203 |
Roger Blake wrote: > Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, > but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who > really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating > to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, > who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of > Buck Rogers, loves the thing. Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center somewhere in the world. The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. -- Mike Easter
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| From | Fuck Snit <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 23:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0b776e89-555e-41b2-97fb-529f778778a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453237 |
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 11:12:37 PM UTC-7, Mike Easter wrote: > Roger Blake wrote: > > Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, > > but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who > > really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating > > to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, > > who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of > > Buck Rogers, loves the thing. > > Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen > (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support > situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which > basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that > may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center > somewhere in the world. > > The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. > > -- > Mike Easter ChromeOS is based on Linux. Period. Steve Carroll just wiped the floor with Jeremy. Almost all people in this forum do scripting either as entertainment or as a job, so I have doubts more than a few consider automation to be "voodoo". Who are you even blubbering to? It is obvious at least some of the posts are hand generated because some of them tap into what Steve Carroll said in very specific ways that underscore they are a response, not just gibberish. Was that meant to be your best shot? Jeremy wants to punish us: If Jeremy can't play here then nobody will. I am working on a system which will blow what Linux has away. -- Top Six Ways Jeremy Trolls https://youtu.be/HMx0RyzbPgQ http://www.5z8.info/lemon-party-redux_v1o7pm_nakedgrandmas.jpg https://youtu.be/UkAyrfOZaXc Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 14:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.zjzfxtdlu3fn8d@red.lan> |
| In reply to | #453237 |
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 07:12:33 +0100, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > Roger Blake wrote: >> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. > > Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen > (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support > situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which > basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that > may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center > somewhere in the world. > > The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic -- Arthur C Clarke
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 10:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fng1rmF697cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453271 |
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Roger Blake wrote: >>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. >> >> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen >> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support >> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which >> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that >> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center >> somewhere in the world. >> >> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. > > I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd > like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. > The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some kind of outside support. The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. There were worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. There's the nut in this venture. -- Mike Easter
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| From | "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 18:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.zjzr46afu3fn8d@red.lan> |
| In reply to | #453309 |
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> Roger Blake wrote: >>>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >>>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >>>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >>>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >>>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >>>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. >>> >>> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen >>> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support >>> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which >>> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that >>> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center >>> somewhere in the world. >>> >>> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. >> >> I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd >> like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. > > The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone > support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The > typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the > support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other countries get all our work. > This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would > choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly > difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties > are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or > remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." > > It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface > on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that > the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" > touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise > principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. > > I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more > support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty > cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that > requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of > those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some > kind of outside support. I was once asked to fax a copy of a receipt to a company when the fax/modem I bought from them wasn't working. He realised his mistake when I burst out laughing. > The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. You managed to find Amazon's review system? I hate Amazon, it's about 10 times harder to use than Ebay. First annoying thing, the postage ain't shown in the search results. So I can't see who's the cheapest. Amazon, you lose. > There were > worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about > alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those > suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. > There's the nut in this venture. -- Can fat people go skinny-dipping?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 10:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fng3u9F6me4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453311 |
On 6/2/18 10:28 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > >> Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: >>> Mike Easter wrote: >>>> Roger Blake wrote: >>>>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >>>>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >>>>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >>>>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >>>>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >>>>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. >>>> >>>> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" >>>> touchscreen >>>> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support >>>> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, >>>> which >>>> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based >>>> (that >>>> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center >>>> somewhere in the world. >>>> >>>> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. >>> >>> I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd >>> like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to >>> one. >> >> The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone >> support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The >> typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the >> support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. > > Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other > countries get all our work. Do you have other ideas to reduce socializing the cost of labor? Right now, for example, many if not most of Walmart and McDonald's workers get part of their income from the government -- socializing the cost of labor for these businesses. The general reply to this is to respond with microeconomics thinking: these people should get other work if they want more money, but this ignores the reality that these are the two largest employers in the country. Looking at the macroeconomic situation, these corporations and many others get socialized support for their labor costs. ... -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 17:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <e47fec48d91a143219c7125a59bd2377@foto.nl1.torservers.net> |
| In reply to | #453311 |
In article <op.zjzr46afu3fn8d@red.lan> "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > > > Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: > >> Mike Easter wrote: > >>> Roger Blake wrote: > >>>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, > >>>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who > >>>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating > >>>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, > >>>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of > >>>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. > >>> > >>> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen > >>> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support > >>> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which > >>> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that > >>> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center > >>> somewhere in the world. > >>> > >>> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. > >> > >> I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd > >> like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. > > > > The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone > > support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The > > typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the > > support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. > > Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other countries get all our work. > > > This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would > > choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly > > difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties > > are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or > > remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." > > > > It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface > > on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that > > the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" > > touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise > > principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. > > > > I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more > > support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty > > cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that > > requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of > > those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some > > kind of outside support. > > I was once asked to fax a copy of a receipt to a company when the fax/modem I bought from them wasn't working. He realised his mistake when I burst out laughing. > > > The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. > > You managed to find Amazon's review system? I hate Amazon, it's about 10 times harder to use than Ebay. First annoying thing, the postage ain't shown in the search results. So I can't see who's the cheapest. Amazon, you lose. > > > There were > > worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about > > alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those > > suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. > > There's the nut in this venture. > > -- > Can fat people go skinny-dipping?
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| From | "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 22:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.zjz3miteu3fn8d@red.lan> |
| In reply to | #453366 |
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:30:43 +0100, Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> wrote: > In article <op.zjzr46afu3fn8d@red.lan> > "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:18:45 +0100, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: >> >> > Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: >> >> Mike Easter wrote: >> >>> Roger Blake wrote: >> >>>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >> >>>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >> >>>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >> >>>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >> >>>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >> >>>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. >> >>> >> >>> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen >> >>> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support >> >>> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which >> >>> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that >> >>> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center >> >>> somewhere in the world. >> >>> >> >>> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. >> >> >> >> I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd >> >> like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. >> > >> > The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone >> > support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The >> > typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the >> > support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. >> >> Which is why minimum wage is a stupid idea, it just means other countries get all our work. >> >> > This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would >> > choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly >> > difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties >> > are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or >> > remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." >> > >> > It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface >> > on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that >> > the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" >> > touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise >> > principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. >> > >> > I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more >> > support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty >> > cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that >> > requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of >> > those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some >> > kind of outside support. >> >> I was once asked to fax a copy of a receipt to a company when the fax/modem I bought from them wasn't working. He realised his mistake when I burst out laughing. >> >> > The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. >> >> You managed to find Amazon's review system? I hate Amazon, it's about 10 times harder to use than Ebay. First annoying thing, the postage ain't shown in the search results. So I can't see who's the cheapest. Amazon, you lose. >> >> > There were >> > worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about >> > alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those >> > suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. >> > There's the nut in this venture. >> >> -- >> Can fat people go skinny-dipping? > > -- I've never had a problem with drugs, I've had problems with the police. - Keith Richards
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| From | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 22:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <a331c840e8bc1233bb6e248348cbe456@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #453309 |
In article <fng1rmF697cU1@mid.individual.net> Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > > Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: > > Mike Easter wrote: > >> Roger Blake wrote: > >>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, > >>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who > >>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating > >>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, > >>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of > >>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. > >> > >> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen > >> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support > >> situation.Ā Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which > >> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that > >> may be the VIP v.)Ā as opposed to a language barrier phone center > >> somewhere in the world. > >> > >> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. > > > > I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd > > like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. > > > > The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone > support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The > typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the > support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. > > This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would > choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly > difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties > are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or > remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." > > It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface > on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that > the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" > touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise > principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. > > I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more > support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty > cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that > requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of > those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some > kind of outside support. > > The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. There were > worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about > alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those > suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. > There's the nut in this venture. > > > -- > Mike Easter
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| From | "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 21:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.zjzz6tdbu3fn8d@red.lan> |
| In reply to | #453341 |
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 21:13:33 +0100, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > In article <fng1rmF697cU1@mid.individual.net> > Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: >> >> Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: >> > Mike Easter wrote: >> >> Roger Blake wrote: >> >>> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >> >>> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >> >>> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >> >>> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >> >>> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >> >>> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. >> >> >> >> Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen >> >> (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support >> >> situation. Free lifetime basic support and VIP support at $10/mo, which >> >> basic support is toll free phone, email, and claims to be US based (that >> >> may be the VIP v.) as opposed to a language barrier phone center >> >> somewhere in the world. >> >> >> >> The VIP support includes extras and remote access support. >> > >> > I dunno about the US, but in the UK if I get an Indian I just say "I'd >> > like to speak to an English person please" and they put me through to one. >> > >> >> The business of being able to provide sufficient quality telephone >> support is typically a very costly and difficult undertaking. The >> typical scenario is that it is farmed out to call centers somewhere the >> support hourly wage is more affordable, such as India or the Philippines. >> >> This target marketed audience of seniors, particularly those who would >> choose to buy such a WOW computer, would seem to me to be a particularly >> difficult one. "I don't know anything about computers and my faculties >> are somewhat impaired as I can't see very well (or hear very well, or >> remember very well, or handle a mouse very well)." >> >> It is interesting that the WOW people decided to build their interface >> on the Tiny Core Linux base and other open source ware. It seems that >> the hardware is very minimal except for what is spent on that 22" >> touchscreen, so the dollar distribution would be hardware-wise >> principally that monitor touchscreen and then the tech support. >> >> I'm sure they would 'immediately' upgrade the users who needed more >> support to the $10/mo VIP (1st 30 d. free VIP), but that is still pretty >> cheap price. Being able to give remote support helps a lot, but that >> requires functional connectivity and hardware performance. If one of >> those weren't operating properly, I think the customer would need some >> kind of outside support. >> >> The reviews on Amazon were more negative than positive. There were >> worthwhile comments there from IT people who made suggestions about >> alternate ways to provide much better hardware, but I didn't find those >> suggestions satisfactory about how to achieve a 'foolproof' interface. >> There's the nut in this venture. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Easter > > -- "Inflation is creeping up," a young man said to his friend, "Yesterday I ordered a $25.00 steak in a restaurant and told them to put it on my American Express card -- and it fit."
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 11:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fng4bgF6p31U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453237 |
Mike Easter wrote: > Roger Blake wrote: >> Cost is ridiculous when compared to similar-spec commodity hardware, >> but as I said what you're paying for is the ease of use for people who >> really have no knowledge of computers at all. I find it frustrating >> to deal with since it is so locked down. However my elderly neighbor, >> who is a WWII veteran to whom a computer seems like something out of >> Buck Rogers, loves the thing. > > Another feature of the WOW which is an all-in-one design 22" touchscreen > (2G ram, 32 G SSD, wireless kb/mouse) is their 'built-in' support > situation. A competing marketer is Telikin, which has more screen size options on weak cpu/ram and a laptop which benefits from having 4G ram and is also 'less overpriced' at $800 for 15.6 touchscreen and spinning 500G hdd instead of small SSD. It seems that Telikin has been around in some way since 2010 Nov according wp article. I wonder exactly who is in charge of developing the interface, since it seems to be being used by more than one outfit. I believe Venture 3's Fred Allegrezza has been into this idea longer than WOW. -- Mike Easter
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 11:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fng5hpF6vufU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #453323 |
Mike Easter wrote: > I wonder exactly who is in charge of developing the interface, since it > seems to be being used by more than one outfit. I believe Venture 3's > Fred Allegrezza has been into this idea longer than WOW. Here's Fred commenting in the Ub forum in 2012 Oct; Hey Guys, Telikin was developed on the TinyCore Linux. Our primary goal of using Linux was to avoid viruses, spyware, and malware. We also chose TinyCore to have an option of an embedded version in the future. I am not a Linux expert. Tim, Megan, Adam, Cliff and Carl work on the OS and back office systems. We also have an application team developing the apps on Java. We also selected TinyCore to have a platform that was easy for us to manage updates for the users. Our background was in cable where settop boxes have a lot of software but it is managed for the end users. We agree that there are many tech savvy seniors. We built the computer for those that are not comfortable with computers. About 50% of our users have never used a copmputer before. We were not targeting tech savvy seniors. They have Windows and Mac as options. We decided to include a number of applications so the end users would not need to load and manage application. In addition we know the apps and if when a customer calls in we know what they are using. I think of this more as an application system. A big part of the business is support. We built in a remote management service for all computers so we can remotly show our users how to use applications. The specs are on the web site. As a value proposition telikin serves a niche market, included software applications and great support. We undertand it is not for everyone, but there are a number of happy users. Hope this helps. Fred Allegrezza CEO Telikin. -- Mike Easter
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| From | "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 11:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c32ca7af-77e4-4cce-b91e-66e1a5111e73@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #453327 |
On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 11:21:49 AM UTC-7, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
> > I wonder exactly who is in charge of developing the interface, since it
> > seems to be being used by more than one outfit. I believe Venture 3's
> > Fred Allegrezza has been into this idea longer than WOW.
>
> Here's Fred commenting in the Ub forum in 2012 Oct;
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Telikin was developed on the TinyCore Linux. Our primary goal of using
> Linux was to avoid viruses, spyware, and malware. We also chose TinyCore
> to have an option of an embedded version in the future. I am not a Linux
> expert. Tim, Megan, Adam, Cliff and Carl work on the OS and back office
> systems. We also have an application team developing the apps on Java.
>
> We also selected TinyCore to have a platform that was easy for us to
> manage updates for the users. Our background was in cable where settop
> boxes have a lot of software but it is managed for the end users.
>
> We agree that there are many tech savvy seniors. We built the computer
> for those that are not comfortable with computers. About 50% of our
> users have never used a copmputer before. We were not targeting tech
> savvy seniors. They have Windows and Mac as options.
>
> We decided to include a number of applications so the end users would
> not need to load and manage application. In addition we know the apps
> and if when a customer calls in we know what they are using. I think of
> this more as an application system.
>
> A big part of the business is support. We built in a remote management
> service for all computers so we can remotly show our users how to use
> applications.
>
> The specs are on the web site.
>
> As a value proposition telikin serves a niche market, included software
> applications and great support. We undertand it is not for everyone, but
> there are a number of happy users.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Fred Allegrezza CEO Telikin.
>
>
> --
> Mike Easter
Carroll, 4/10/2015 4:04 PM:
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Cute trick... To the guy who hacked my Google account.
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No details. Seems to treat it as a joke.
Carroll, 4/10/2015 5:02 PM, <https://goo.gl/51rsmZ>:
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Email Hacking Is A Serious Crime
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No longer "cute"... now it is a serious crime. OK.
Carroll, 4/10/2015 5:07 PM:
By now he is posting more links to how serious this crime against him is.
Carroll, 4/10/2015 7:25 PM:
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I didn't write that.
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Now he is denying the posts from his own account. OK, he was "hacked". Someone else posted this. Hard to hack a gmail account given how they use two-step authentication and someone would need access to his phone or the like... but at least POSSIBLE.
Even then, though, if someone tries to guess your password Google alerts you and lets you know what IP address and other info. I know because someone in a Denver internet cafe has tried mine on several occasions.
Google even forces you to change your password when this happens. Very hard to hack these days.
So already Carroll's story is unlikely.
But let us accept it... someone somehow hacked his account bypassing the two step verification. This person did not, however, change his password and Carroll posted within an hour of the "hacker". Before that, unless he is an idiot, he changed his password and the "hacker" was locked out. The "hacker" got one post in.
But Carroll could not leave his story there.
Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:36 PM, <https://goo.gl/NJ2bMH>:
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Someone hacked my fretwizzer gmail acct so, for the time being,
don't trust anything from it.
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Wait. What? Even after Carroll figured out this "hacker" who was too stupid to change his password had broken into his account and Carroll *surely* must have changed his own password, he is saying the "hacker" might still have access. Might be able to break Google's two-step verification process *again*.
This is *very* unlikely... to the point of being unbelievable.
Even worse for him: he notes which of his accounts he is claiming was hacked - but in the past he has denied even using the other accounts! LOL! He screwed up and made it very clear he has multiple accounts and felt the need to note which one. He made the same mistake in the next quote where he speaks of WHICH of his gmail accounts he is claiming was hacked. Oops! If he only posts with one there would be no need to specify which one!
He has completely screwed up in his game to pretend he posts with only one gmail account. Completely idiotic of him, too!
Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:38 PM, <https://goo.gl/YA7gMO>:
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Some mentally deficient child hacked my 'fretwizzer' gmail account
so I may have to kill it. For the time being, don't assume
anything that's coming from it was written by me.
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He is still saying that he may have to kill the account instead of just changing the password which anyone with half a brain would have already done (and Google *forces* you to do when someone even tries to hack your account... I know because someone in the Denver area has tried to hack mine multiple times... likely Carroll but I have no proof of this). And he specifies WHICH of his accounts! He is directly admitting he uses more than one account! His claim of being "forged" with his second account is a lie. Proved.
Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:40 PM, <https://goo.gl/j6yCuV>:
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Looks like it's still being hacked despite me taking precautions,
I may have to kill the account.
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What makes it look like its still being hacked? And what precautions other than changing the two-step verification options does he need? And how would someone bypass this... is he really on the NSA watch list? Seems you would need someone at that level to be doing this. He watches too much TV where they computer hackers spend thirty seconds and bypass all security.
Just nonsense.
Carroll, 4/11/2015 12:05 PM:
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Apparently Google is having issues with their accounts to the
point where they're ready to undertake some additional measures.
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But, of course, no evidence of this... and what measures? They already alert users if someone else tries to guess your password and use two-step authentication and even force you to make a new password if it seems someone is trying to hack you.
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They're now involving several federal agencies in things they
didn't bother with previously in an effort to deal with people who
hack into accounts. They've asked me to leave the account open.
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So now Google is letting Carroll know how they are handling these things - and asking him to leave a *hacked* account open... one someone can be using to steal his identity. No. This does not pass the sniff test in any way. Even if they were doing this for some bizarre sting operation, which is in itself far fetched, they would have told Carroll to not make it public information so the hacker would not know.
Just insanity. His own story is so idiotic and full of idiotic claims it simply cannot be true. Carroll uses his secondary Google account - the one he accesses via Tor and is referred to as his Tor account - to have plausible deniability for things he says there. Now he is working to do the same thing with his main account. Maybe Carroll read a report like this: <http://cnnmon.ie/111QeT8> [money.com]. If so he missed the part where they note if you are *really* hacked, which is rare, the hackers change your password and lock you out. Why would they not?
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There's some new legislation that will help them deal with this
issue... which probably means more BS for us ;)
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Yes, new legislation to make sure Carroll does not have to deal with "hackers" and "forgers" which do not even exist.
The funny part is, this happened shortly after someone in the Denver area, likely Carroll, tried to guess *my* passwords and they did it from an Internet café (Google tells you the IP and that can be used to trace back).
My guess: Carroll is the one who was working to guess my password and figured this new lie of his was a good way to deny his own words even more than he does with his Tor account *and* a way to make it so if I had talked about him trying to hack my account he could say I was just copying his comments. "Proving" I read his posts... which for now I am to see how absurd his lies are. :)
Carroll, 4/11/2015 12:25 PM:
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The person who hacked into my Gmail acct. changed the wording on
this post. I've removed the others but Google asked me to leave
one standing for some odd reason.
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Here Carroll claims the hacker changed the wording on a post of his from *before* he had even claimed he was hacked. So this hacker not only can *post* for him but edit his old Usenet posts.
I call utter bullshit on this. Out and out lie from Carroll. And then Carroll says Google asked him to not delete these "hacked" posts... this is nonsense. Why would Google want him to leave forged posts in the public and why would Google not just keep their own copy? Even Carroll notes it is for "some odd reason" - yeah, because Carroll is telling stories that make *no* sense at all.
Carroll is lying. Maybe there is some kernel of truth to his stories? Even if so - and frankly it is unlikely he will ever show any evidence to back his claims - the details he is posting are absurd.
Carroll, 4/11/2015 2:10 PM:
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And he's so high he thinks people still have to manually enter all
their passwords in whenever they want to use anything that's been
password protected ;)
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Nobody had suggested, hinted, implied, or said anything like what Carroll says they did.
Maybe his story will be someone stole his laptop (or mobile device) and he had his passwords saved? If so why not have the device deactivated remotely? Why has he not said anything about this?
My guess: he realizes he screwed up when trying to guess my passwords and is now building a story so he can say his computer was stolen and it was not him. Or, LOL, maybe someone broke into his house and did it.
This unknown hacker knew he was obsessed with me and carried on acting like him. Makes complete sense, eh?
Carroll, 4/12/2015 8:45 AM, <https://goo.gl/KMf4pa>:
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The first one, that has since been deleted. My bad for having such
a feeble password on this account.
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Now he suggests it was merely from someone guessing his password - which contradicts his above insinuations that it could have been from a saved password on a device he had.
His story changes with the telling.
But as noted, when someone tries to guess your password Google has ways to deal with it. I know - Carroll or someone in his neck of the woods recently tried it with me.
Carroll, 4/12/2015 9:29 AM:
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The account in question here is a gmail account. Contrary to
Snit's delusions, I have no idea what a TOR account looks like but
it's a good bet it doesn't bear much of a resemblance to a gmail
account.
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Here Carroll plays stupid and pretends that if when he or anyone uses the Tor browser *Carroll* pointed to this somehow changes the way the gmail interface looks. Um, no. Worse it might do is make Google think you are in another country and you would have to set it back to English. But the basic look stays the same.
He is playing stupid and pretending to not know how the Tor browser he pointed to works. Just idiotic of him.
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That idiocy aside, I love how Snit has repeatedly, for years,
feigned ignorance about gmail accounts, yet, he keeps disclosing
info that proves he knows about them. Some fools do stuff like
this when they believe people are as stupid as the fool needs them
to be ;)
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I do not think Google would allow you to edit your Usenet / groups posts but I do not use it much and do not know for sure. Seems absurd that they would... and others have now said they do not. But given how I do not use Google Groups for posting why would I know the details of their system for certain?
Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:47 PM:
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Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have
proof you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press
charges against you I have to also include her so you remain safe
for now.
Do not think this is over.
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No evidence of working with Google on this (and all out and out lies). Carroll is making public threats based on lies.
Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:50 PM:
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I promised COLA your trolling days were over so you contacted ebot
and worked with her to hack my account. I might not be able to get
your ass handed to you in court over this but wait until your boss
at Yavapai College contacts you.
Maybe you should make that call first. Ask about your comments on
incest.
See if those can not be quoted.
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Direct lies and threats by Carroll.
Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:51 PM:
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You went too far this time Snit. We have trolled each other for
years but to contact ebot and get her to help you hack my account
was over a line.
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A complete and utter lie from Carroll.
Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:52 PM:
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The above post is Snit hacking my account.
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A complete and utter lie... more false accusations from him.
Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:53 PM:
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You edited those posts when you hacked my account. Do not trust
anything from my fretwizzer account now that Snit and ebot have
access to it.
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More unsupported claims and attacks by Carroll.
Carroll, 4/16/2015 8:56 PM:
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Working with Google I now have proof Snit and ebot hacked the
account. Many of the older posts were edited. You can see evidence
of this by Snit pointing to "old" posts which have been modified to
say I claimed I was his "personal newsgroup rapist", a phrase I
have never used.
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No evidence of Carroll working with Google. No evidence of any older posts being edited.
--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.
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