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Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN

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  Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-20 10:27 -0500
    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-20 15:36 +0000
      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-20 21:05 -0500
        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-21 03:42 +0000
          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 20:05 -0800
          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-11-21 06:03 -0800
          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-21 09:30 -0500
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-21 14:47 +0000
              Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 07:27 -0800
                Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 07:49 -0800
                Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-21 11:52 -0500
                  Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-21 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 09:22 -0800
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-21 17:44 +0000
                        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 09:58 -0800
                          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 12:00 -0800
                        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-22 11:04 -0500
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 09:56 -0800
                Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-21 17:29 -0700
                  Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 11:41 +0100
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 03:17 -0800
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-22 12:49 -0500
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 10:57 -0700
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 11:08 -0800
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:29 -0800
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-11-22 17:47 -0500
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:34 -0800
                        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 05:23 -0800
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 07:18 -0800
          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 03:43 +0000
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-21 21:02 -0700
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-11-22 17:44 -0500
          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-22 10:41 -0500
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 08:00 -0800
            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:13 +0000
              Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-11-22 17:53 -0500
                Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-23 00:20 +0000
                  Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:36 -0800
                  Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-11-25 18:26 -0500
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-26 07:22 -0600
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 05:53 -0800
                    Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-26 16:23 +0000
                      Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-26 10:55 -0600
                        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-26 17:06 +0000
                          Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-26 12:06 -0600
                            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 10:17 -0800
                            Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-26 18:24 +0000
                              Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 10:33 -0800
                              Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 10:49 -0800
                              Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 18:55 -0800
        Re: Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 20:53 -0800

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#478234 — Year after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-20 10:27 -0500
SubjectYear after year after year, Windows is the default OS at CERN
Message-ID<KKVID.666130$MK2.318387@fx35.iad>
"October 2016: Windows 10 becomes the default operating system at CERN."

https://espace.cern.ch/winservices-help/NICEEnvironment/NICEWindows10/Pages/Status-of-Windows-10-at-CERN.aspx


"As of end of March 2010, Windows 7 is officially supported at CERN and 
is the default operating system to install on the computers that meet 
the minimum hardware requirements"




I can only imagine the bribes MS paid...




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#478236

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-11-20 15:36 +0000
Message-ID<80z08ba.ayo3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#478234
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> "October 2016: Windows 10 becomes the default operating system at CERN."
> 

Good enough for CERN, but not good enough for DFS.


> https://espace.cern.ch/winservices-help/NICEEnvironment/NICEWindows10/Pages/Status-of-Windows-10-at-CERN.aspx
> 
> 
> "As of end of March 2010, Windows 7 is officially supported at CERN and 
> is the default operating system to install on the computers that meet 
> the minimum hardware requirements"
> 

I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.

> 
> 
> 
> I can only imagine the bribes MS paid...
> 
> 
 
"If you are interested in Windows 10, please join the CERN Windows 10
Community."

If you click on that, you get this:
<quote>
Running Windows Edge as your browser?
If you are running Windows Edge as your favorite
browser and have a laptop/PC not managed by CERN
IT's "CMF", patch now! There is a nasty vulnerability
(https://securelist.com/a-new-exploit-for-zero-day-vulnerability-cve-2018-8589/88845/)
out which can compromize your computer if you happened to browse
to the wrong web-page... Just go to "Windows Update" and let it
do its job. Centrally CERN/Windows PCs will be patched through CMF
today. Managers of locally managed Windows PC should consider applying
those patches, too.​
</quote>

LOL!

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#478341

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-20 21:05 -0500
Message-ID<_43JD.1402222$YL3.507850@fx48.iad>
In reply to#478236
On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> "October 2016: Windows 10 becomes the default operating system at CERN."
>>
> 
> Good enough for CERN, but not good enough for DFS.


I don't have any protons to smash.



>> https://espace.cern.ch/winservices-help/NICEEnvironment/NICEWindows10/Pages/Status-of-Windows-10-at-CERN.aspx
>>
>>
>> "As of end of March 2010, Windows 7 is officially supported at CERN and
>> is the default operating system to install on the computers that meet
>> the minimum hardware requirements"
>>
> 
> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.


I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a 
Windows screen.




>> I can only imagine the bribes MS paid...
>>
>>
>   
> "If you are interested in Windows 10, please join the CERN Windows 10
> Community."
> 
> If you click on that, you get this:
> <quote>
> Running Windows Edge as your browser?
> If you are running Windows Edge as your favorite
> browser and have a laptop/PC not managed by CERN
> IT's "CMF", patch now! There is a nasty vulnerability
> (https://securelist.com/a-new-exploit-for-zero-day-vulnerability-cve-2018-8589/88845/)
> out which can compromize your computer if you happened to browse
> to the wrong web-page... Just go to "Windows Update" and let it
> do its job. Centrally CERN/Windows PCs will be patched through CMF
> today. Managers of locally managed Windows PC should consider applying
> those patches, too.​
> </quote>
> 
> LOL!


Don't run Edge, and don't go to the wrong web page.  Non-problem solved...

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#478362

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-11-21 03:42 +0000
Message-ID<9t00a8ba.ablhou3@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#478341
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
> 
> 
> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a 
> Windows screen.
> 
> 

Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
*maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):

https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf

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#478364

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-20 20:05 -0800
Message-ID<fa201a59-f2b8-462b-908c-3569f6b380dd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478362
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:42:27 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
> >>>
> >> 
> >> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
> > 
> > 
> > I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a 
> > Windows screen.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf



You're like a shark in a goldfish bowl. We all see you there and let you know. And you're so brain-dead you keep rejecting it. Steve 'The Flooder' Carroll claims to be the Linux-teacher, let us see him put up a version without the automated loops.I shall not ask Steve 'The Flooder' Carroll how any part of Desk Rabbit's anatomy tastes no matter how regularly Steve 'The Flooder' Carroll kisses it. Both of those guys get their thrill out of triggering angry reactions to their lies, which is the very definition of a troll. 

Playing with Linux... forever an initiate... Steve 'The Flooder' Carroll-like idiots are now babbling about the open source "GUI" as if something like that literally exists. 



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#478403

Fromfr314159@gmail.com
Date2018-11-21 06:03 -0800
Message-ID<c972ffb7-fd91-4bb4-a01a-e6b81d29d892@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478362
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5, owl wrote:

> 
> It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
> 

Absolutely no doubt.  At the cutting edge, where the rubber meets
the road, there is only GNU/Linux.

In the back room where the idiots and retards practice their
mindless and rote mechanical tasks, Microshit Winblows is
the appliance of necessity.

The stupid stooge will never learn.  He is like an idiot on roller
skates.  He keeps falling and stumbling but even though he'll
never make it he just won't quit.

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#478408

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-21 09:30 -0500
Message-ID<k%dJD.599346$OM2.498038@fx37.iad>
In reply to#478362
On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
>>
>>
>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
>> Windows screen.
>>
>>
> 
> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf

=======================================================================

Way back when:

"CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
the main information services for the laboratory. This
infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
including Office Automation, Computing Aided
Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
and ... controls."

(note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)


http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf


=======================================================================
2003:

SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL 
ROOMS CONSOLES
M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva, 
Switzerland

https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF


"These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE 
computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).

...

Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required 
serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."


=======================================================================

2008

"Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
[Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."

https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider


=======================================================================

2009

"What operating system do you all use?

"A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure 
stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a 
lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there 
are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."

https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/

=======================================================================

2012

The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux 
(zoom in on the window controls).

https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656

=======================================================================

2012:

The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.

https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656

=======================================================================

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#478412

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-11-21 14:47 +0000
Message-ID<yz97b9.agu9ag@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#478408
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
>>> Windows screen.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
>> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
>> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
>> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
>> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
>> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
>> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
>> 
>> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf
> 
> =======================================================================
> 
> Way back when:
> 
> "CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
> more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
> the main information services for the laboratory. This
> infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
> including Office Automation, Computing Aided
> Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
> and ... controls."
> 
> (note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)
> 
> 
> http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf
> 
> 
> =======================================================================
> 2003:
> 
> SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL 
> ROOMS CONSOLES
> M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva, 
> Switzerland
> 
> https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF
> 
> 
> "These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE 
> computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).
> 
> ...
> 
> Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required 
> serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."
> 

I'm suprprised the world survived that era.

> 
> =======================================================================
> 
> 2008
> 
> "Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
> [Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."
> 

Not.

> https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider
> 
> 
> =======================================================================
> 
> 2009
> 
> "What operating system do you all use?
> 
> "A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure 
> stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a 
> lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there 
> are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."
> 
> https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/
> 
> =======================================================================
> 
> 2012
> 
> The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux 
> (zoom in on the window controls).
> 
> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> 
> =======================================================================
> 
> 2012:
> 
> The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.
> 

With "where it's not" being practically everywhere.

> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> 
> =======================================================================

That's the same street view I took the screenshot from. 

https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.254712,6.0567695,2a,54.7y,261.5h,75.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHHl0fHKIFBxGx-aBuZwMVg!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656

Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
The vast majority are Linux.

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#478417

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 07:27 -0800
Message-ID<f98e7111-a125-4588-81a2-ee6d3f9fd6a9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478412
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
> >> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
> >>> Windows screen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> 
> >> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
> >> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
> >> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
> >> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
> >> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
> >> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
> >> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
> >> 
> >> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 
> > Way back when:
> > 
> > "CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
> > more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
> > the main information services for the laboratory. This
> > infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
> > including Office Automation, Computing Aided
> > Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
> > and ... controls."
> > 
> > (note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)
> > 
> > 
> > http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 2003:
> > 
> > SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL 
> > ROOMS CONSOLES
> > M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva, 
> > Switzerland
> > 
> > https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF
> > 
> > 
> > "These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE 
> > computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required 
> > serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."
> > 
> 
> I'm suprprised the world survived that era.
> 
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 
> > 2008
> > 
> > "Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
> > [Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."
> > 
> 
> Not.
> 
> > https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider
> > 
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 
> > 2009
> > 
> > "What operating system do you all use?
> > 
> > "A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure 
> > stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a 
> > lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there 
> > are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."
> > 
> > https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 
> > 2012
> > 
> > The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux 
> > (zoom in on the window controls).
> > 
> > https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> > 
> > 2012:
> > 
> > The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.
> > 
> 
> With "where it's not" being practically everywhere.
> 
> > https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> > 
> > =======================================================================
> 
> That's the same street view I took the screenshot from. 
> 
> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.254712,6.0567695,2a,54.7y,261.5h,75.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHHl0fHKIFBxGx-aBuZwMVg!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> 
> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> The vast majority are Linux.


And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
propping up a short table leg.

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#478424

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 07:49 -0800
Message-ID<e9279ec4-2eab-43da-8b64-7300a34893ba@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478417
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 8:27:58 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
> > >> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
> > >>> Windows screen.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> 
> > >> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
> > >> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
> > >> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
> > >> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
> > >> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
> > >> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
> > >> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
> > >> 
> > >> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 
> > > Way back when:
> > > 
> > > "CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
> > > more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
> > > the main information services for the laboratory. This
> > > infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
> > > including Office Automation, Computing Aided
> > > Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
> > > and ... controls."
> > > 
> > > (note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 2003:
> > > 
> > > SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL 
> > > ROOMS CONSOLES
> > > M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva, 
> > > Switzerland
> > > 
> > > https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE 
> > > computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required 
> > > serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm suprprised the world survived that era.
> > 
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 
> > > 2008
> > > 
> > > "Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
> > > [Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."
> > > 
> > 
> > Not.
> > 
> > > https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 
> > > 2009
> > > 
> > > "What operating system do you all use?
> > > 
> > > "A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure 
> > > stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a 
> > > lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there 
> > > are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."
> > > 
> > > https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 
> > > 2012
> > > 
> > > The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux 
> > > (zoom in on the window controls).
> > > 
> > > https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > > 
> > > 2012:
> > > 
> > > The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.
> > > 
> > 
> > With "where it's not" being practically everywhere.
> > 
> > > https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> > > 
> > > =======================================================================
> > 
> > That's the same street view I took the screenshot from. 
> > 
> > https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.254712,6.0567695,2a,54.7y,261.5h,75.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHHl0fHKIFBxGx-aBuZwMVg!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
> > 
> > Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> > The vast majority are Linux.
> 
> 
> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> propping up a short table leg.



Jonas Eklundh Communication AB has cut down on the hundreds of narcissistic, bullshit posts he used to post but he's surely unchanged in the honesty territory. He simple uses shills more to produce those threads. 

chrisv can create a virtual machine. Makes Jonas Eklundh Communication AB cry because he can not. 

Both chrisv and Jonas Eklundh Communication AB had their clinkers and their humiliations. One presented it cool and didn't do anything too publicly that could not be re-done in a way that made it look like he had a clue. 

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#478450

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-21 11:52 -0500
Message-ID<04gJD.642201$VM2.343107@fx04.iad>
In reply to#478417
On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:

>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>> The vast majority are Linux.
> 
> 
> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> propping up a short table leg.


I got'cher table leg right here...

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#478453

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-11-21 17:07 +0000
Message-ID<z08t83g.y8p25@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#478450
DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> 
>>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>>> The vast majority are Linux.
>> 
>> 
>> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
>> propping up a short table leg.
> 
> 
> I got'cher table leg right here...
> 

Nice play on the "short table leg."

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#478457

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 09:22 -0800
Message-ID<db4513a6-a54a-4d94-8e91-6ce5a7e1d6c9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478453
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > 
> >>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> >>> The vast majority are Linux.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> >> propping up a short table leg.
> > 
> > 
> > I got'cher table leg right here...
> > 
> 
> Nice play on the "short table leg."

What's not to like about self deprecating humor?

<https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>

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#478466

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2018-11-21 17:44 +0000
Message-ID<87b0a003gag.aho3gah@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#478457
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> > 
>> >>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>> >>> The vast majority are Linux.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
>> >> propping up a short table leg.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I got'cher table leg right here...
>> > 
>> 
>> Nice play on the "short table leg."
> 
> What's not to like about self deprecating humor?
> 
> <https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>

John Gohde's got your table leg right here.
http://i.imgur.com/2N2fCdk.png

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#478470

FromSteve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 09:58 -0800
Message-ID<376046e7-a39a-47a4-a6cb-3ae2167c8352@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478466
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> >> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> > On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> >> >>> The vast majority are Linux.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> >> >> propping up a short table leg.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > I got'cher table leg right here...
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> Nice play on the "short table leg."
> > 
> > What's not to like about self deprecating humor?
> > 
> > <https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>
> 
> John Gohde's got your table leg right here.
> http://i.imgur.com/2N2fCdk.png

LOL! Even though he's crotchety as f*ck, I kinda feel sorry for JG
at times. I actually admire his thrift-store values, a lot of us are too 
into just tossing things... in an endless cycle of polluting the place 
as we do. Now whales are coming up on beaches with bunches of 
plastic in their bellies... not good.

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#478496

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 12:00 -0800
Message-ID<c51b6b4b-74ce-48f5-943f-0f01371197cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478470
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:58:18 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > >> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> > On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >> >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> >>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> > >> >>> The vast majority are Linux.
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> > >> >> propping up a short table leg.
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > I got'cher table leg right here...
> > >> > 
> > >> 
> > >> Nice play on the "short table leg."
> > > 
> > > What's not to like about self deprecating humor?
> > > 
> > > <https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>
> > 
> > John Gohde's got your table leg right here.
> > http://i.imgur.com/2N2fCdk.png
> 
> LOL! Even though he's crotchety as f*ck, I kinda feel sorry for JG
> at times. I actually admire his thrift-store values, a lot of us are too 
> into just tossing things... in an endless cycle of polluting the place 
> as we do. Now whales are coming up on beaches with bunches of 
> plastic in their bellies... not good.



So Prescott Computer Guy changed his story to Klaus Schadenfreude talking about his family. 

What did Prescott Computer Guy have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to lead Klaus Schadenfreude to trust they're real people who just happened to have not enough brains to see through his lies. Despite all the gloating Prescott Computer Guy has done on this topic, the 'Growth Hacker' does not know how to do this. It literally takes a couple seconds to highlight a selection and 'capitalize' it. But Prescott Computer Guy feels the need to belittle the herd. So be it. 



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#478642

FromDFS <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2018-11-22 11:04 -0500
Message-ID<NqAJD.521760$oM2.232882@fx07.iad>
In reply to#478466
On 11/21/2018 12:44 PM, owl wrote:
> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>>>>>> The vast majority are Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
>>>>> propping up a short table leg.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got'cher table leg right here...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice play on the "short table leg."
>>
>> What's not to like about self deprecating humor?
>>
>> <https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>
> 
> John Gohde's got your table leg right here.
> http://i.imgur.com/2N2fCdk.png

bwa!

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#478468

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-21 09:56 -0800
Message-ID<f92ce261-18fe-4df3-9079-4e3ff0f5a2fb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#478457
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:07:23 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/21/2018 10:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> > > 
> > >>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
> > >>> The vast majority are Linux.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> > >> propping up a short table leg.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I got'cher table leg right here...
> > > 
> > 
> > Nice play on the "short table leg."
> 
> What's not to like about self deprecating humor?
> 
> <https://imgur.com/a/sLUNVnt>



I am well aware the channel I link to from COLA is merely beginner level; that said, it meets the requirements. In spite of my feelings about openSUSE, I nonetheless continue to load it for clients who have had difficulties with Windows. 

The "advocates" value the lowest common denominator in both their lives and their computer systems. 



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#478528

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-21 17:29 -0700
Message-ID<g5mbjaFaif6U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#478417
On 11/21/18 8:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
>>>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
>>>>> Windows screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
>>>> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
>>>> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
>>>> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
>>>> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
>>>> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
>>>> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> Way back when:
>>>
>>> "CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
>>> more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
>>> the main information services for the laboratory. This
>>> infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
>>> including Office Automation, Computing Aided
>>> Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
>>> and ... controls."
>>>
>>> (note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>> 2003:
>>>
>>> SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL
>>> ROOMS CONSOLES
>>> M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva,
>>> Switzerland
>>>
>>> https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF
>>>
>>>
>>> "These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE
>>> computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required
>>> serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."
>>>
>>
>> I'm suprprised the world survived that era.
>>
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> 2008
>>>
>>> "Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
>>> [Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."
>>>
>>
>> Not.
>>
>>> https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider
>>>
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> 2009
>>>
>>> "What operating system do you all use?
>>>
>>> "A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure
>>> stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a
>>> lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there
>>> are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."
>>>
>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> 2012
>>>
>>> The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux
>>> (zoom in on the window controls).
>>>
>>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> 2012:
>>>
>>> The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.
>>>
>>
>> With "where it's not" being practically everywhere.
>>
>>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>
>> That's the same street view I took the screenshot from.
>>
>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.254712,6.0567695,2a,54.7y,261.5h,75.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHHl0fHKIFBxGx-aBuZwMVg!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>
>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>> The vast majority are Linux.
> 
> 
> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
> propping up a short table leg.
> 

What laptop can run only Windows?

-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#478611

FromHadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-22 11:41 +0100
Message-ID<87lg5l1jj6.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#478528
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:

> On 11/21/18 8:27 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/2018 10:42 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>> DFS <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/20/2018 10:36 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't realize CERN had so many secretaries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet the last button clicked to start a collider experiment is on a
>>>>>> Windows screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Google has a street view inside of CERN control room.  You can walk
>>>>> around and see about 80 computer screens.  I see two or three obvious
>>>>> windows machines (at login prompt).  Where you see other desktops,
>>>>> *maybe* one was windows.  Others look like Linux/Unix of some sort,
>>>>> but it's hard to tell.  It's pretty clear that most of the ones in the
>>>>> screenshot below of CERN control room (upper image) are running CERN's
>>>>> Linux (compared to two known CERN Scientific Linux screens):
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/FtmEUvf
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Way back when:
>>>>
>>>> "CERN has a large Windows 95/NT infrastructure with
>>>> more than 3500 PCs connected that is used as one of
>>>> the main information services for the laboratory. This
>>>> infrastructure is used for a wide set of services,
>>>> including Office Automation, Computing Aided
>>>> Engineering, Calculations, Software Development,
>>>> and ... controls."
>>>>
>>>> (note the Access db diagram on pg 5.  I wept with pride...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://conference.kek.jp/PCaPAC99/cdrom/paper/tu/tu5.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>> 2003:
>>>>
>>>> SOFTWARE DEPLOYMENT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CERN ACCELERATOR CONTROL
>>>> ROOMS CONSOLES
>>>> M. Albert, G. Crockford, E. Hatziangeli , S. Lopienski CERN, Geneva,
>>>> Switzerland
>>>>
>>>> https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/ica03/PAPERS/WP533.PDF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "These PCs are running Windows 2000 Professional using the NICE
>>>> computing environment [1] (CERN Windows 2000 client-server architecture).
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Moving away from UNIX X-terminals to Windows based PC consoles required
>>>> serious changes in the present strategy for software deployment."
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm suprprised the world survived that era.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>>
>>>> 2008
>>>>
>>>> "Sliding glass doors part quietly into a large, modern room with
>>>> [Microsoft W]indows that stretch all the way up to the high ceiling."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not.
>>>
>>>> https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/embedded-systems/powering-the-large-hadron-collider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>>
>>>> 2009
>>>>
>>>> "What operating system do you all use?
>>>>
>>>> "A lot of it is Linux-based for the actual control-room infrastructure
>>>> stuff. There's a lot of coding that's easier to do in Linux, there's a
>>>> lot of Java applications for the visuals. Operating system-wise, there
>>>> are a lot of people preferring to use Macs rather than Windows."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/interview-inside-cern-with-an-lhc-scientist/
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>>
>>>> 2012
>>>>
>>>> The Atlas control room.  All 8 of the big screens are running Linux
>>>> (zoom in on the window controls).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2353941,6.0557112,2a,90y,273.33h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4v_cqxink5ynRNL3dHje_A!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>>
>>>> 2012:
>>>>
>>>> The main CERN control center.  All Windows - except where it's not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> With "where it's not" being practically everywhere.
>>>
>>>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.2546333,6.0569245,2a,75y,322.71h,83.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIoZWzIfJXwJ-6R8gXKEsrA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>>>
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> That's the same street view I took the screenshot from.
>>>
>>> https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.254712,6.0567695,2a,54.7y,261.5h,75.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHHl0fHKIFBxGx-aBuZwMVg!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656
>>>
>>> Like I said, you can find a couple doze terminals here and there.
>>> The vast majority are Linux.
>>
>>
>> And none of them were used like that one Winders laptop is,
>> propping up a short table leg.
>>
>
> What laptop can run only Windows?

The Q is which can run Linux 100%? A few. Thinkpads excellently. But forget
it with onboard Nvidia etc unless you're au fait with recovery. Intel HD
works a charm with Linux.

-- 
chrisv alias turdv is a turd

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