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| First post | 2016-09-11 15:48 -0600 |
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dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 15:48 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 00:48 +0200
Re: TTS on GPS (was: dictation without internet?) "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-11 22:12 -0500
Re: TTS on GPS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:16 +0200
Re: TTS on GPS Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-13 10:30 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:36 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-12 16:29 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:34 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-12 01:06 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-09-12 07:54 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:19 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 17:01 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:23 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 19:35 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 02:42 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:30 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 03:02 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:43 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 15:00 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-15 02:34 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:21 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 19:38 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-17 01:11 +1200
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 17:49 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 11:48 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 00:04 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:23 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:50 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:58 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:12 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:40 -0400
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 05:14 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-23 19:56 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 21:03 -0400
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-24 20:27 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 22:34 -0400
Re: dictation without internet? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-24 22:52 -0700
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-25 17:35 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:20 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-24 04:00 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:20 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-18 12:18 +1200
Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:49 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:46 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:52 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-15 08:40 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2016-09-15 15:38 -0400
Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 16:02 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:45 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:55 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-17 16:33 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:18 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:43 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:08 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:21 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-15 17:09 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 23:20 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:16 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:59 -0500
Re: dictation without internet? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-17 14:06 -0700
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:40 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:14 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:46 +0200
Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 01:08 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:31 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 16:45 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:29 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:21 -0600
Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-16 16:44 +0000
Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 03:00 +0200
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e3r7quFipkdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58672 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote: > crankypuss wrote: > >> On 09/13/2016 02:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote: >>> crankypuss wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any application, free or paid, running under Android or iOS or >>>> linux, that performs dictation (voice-to-text) without requiring an >>>> internet connection? TIA. >>> >>> Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0 >>> for their Anywhere app. When I click on their Buy Now button, yep, it >>> is subscriptionware. $15/mo, $40/qtr, or $150/yr. However, you never >>> mentioned "free" as a requirement. The weekly subscription is shown as >>> $0 but that's probably for the duration of a trial period. You could >>> test it to see if it meets your needs. >> >> I already pay a goodly sum for shitty internet access, I'm not going to >> add another anchor to that boat: monthly fees absolutely will not fly >> with me. > > Software vendors couldn't give a gnat's fart about how much you pay for > Internet access. They aren't ISPs. They write code. Your incidental > costs are irrelevant, especially since you inquired about a product that > doesn't need Internet access. For a local app that does local audio > crunching to convert to local text, Internet access is completely a > non-issue. > > The gas station attendent doesn't care how much you pay for car > insurance, either. Not relevant to their sale (of fuel). Not relevant > to their product (fuel). > >>> You also didn't mention your Android version, and Nuance Anywhare >>> says it requires Android 4.4 or later (and iOS 8.1 or later). I >>> suspect this is a large-sized app so you'll need to consider how >>> much free memory you have. They don't give memory requirements on >>> their web site for that app. >> >> Who cares what version of Android it runs under? > > Ah c'mon, even noobs understand that software has minimal requirements > for support of it within the OS, and that things change with each > version of an OS (else every new version wouldn't be a new version since > it was the same as the prior version). There is some feature of Android > 4.4 that Nuance's software requires. Same goes for ALL SOFTWARE. You > might find some apps that require Android 2.2 but then, again, they > aren't going to run under every version of the OS because they obviously > make use of some feature available at a minimal version of the OS. So > you DO care about the OS version because you DO care about using > software on THAT operating system. > > In fact, some apps will list a range of versions of Android under which > they will run. Google may decide to remove features from an OS that an > app relied up, so the app cannot run under a later version of Android. > For example, there are anti-spam apps that claim to not only block spam > calls but also spam texts. However, I think it was Android 4.3 (maybe a > late sub-minor version of 4.2) that removed the ability of these apps > from looking at your texts or blocking them. So the anti-spam app has > lost a feature because Google took it away. Obviously the OS version is > important to you regardless of what software solution you might choose. > > Memory constraints is another criteria that you haven't bothered to take > into account. Oh, you don't care about that either, uh huh, because you > apparently are the only user of hardware that has infinite memory > capacity. > > You need to establish your criteria regarding price (now and possibly > later and perhaps repeatedly) along with hardware limitations (again > typically constrained by budget). > >> When there's nothing on the market fit to buy, I tend to get a little >> pissy about the whole modern circus, my bad, sorry. > > You just contradicted yourself. Now you're saying you would buy > something if it was "fit". Before you said you wouldn't *buy* anything. > Make up your mind. Do you have a requirement that the app be free? If > so, expect crappy quality or lots of in-app ads (or even rude popup ads > that appear outside the app when you don't think it is even running). > Will you pay for a solution? If so, you have to establish criteria as > to what you can afford and how often. You don't get a $150/yr program > for free unless you steal it - and this is not a pro-warez newsgroup. > > First decide on your criteria: budget (now and later), hardware > constraints, and OS constraints. You seem to want a blanket solution > that provides for free an expensive commercialware app without any > hardware limitations and will run under every version of Android that > has ever existed since 2003 and will ever exist hereafter. <rolls eyes> *slow clapping* : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nrbjn1$77t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58673 |
On 09/13/2016 03:02 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote: >> crankypuss wrote: >> >>> On 09/13/2016 02:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote: >>>> crankypuss wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there any application, free or paid, running under Android or iOS or >>>>> linux, that performs dictation (voice-to-text) without requiring an >>>>> internet connection? TIA. >>>> >>>> Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0 >>>> for their Anywhere app. When I click on their Buy Now button, yep, it >>>> is subscriptionware. $15/mo, $40/qtr, or $150/yr. However, you never >>>> mentioned "free" as a requirement. The weekly subscription is shown as >>>> $0 but that's probably for the duration of a trial period. You could >>>> test it to see if it meets your needs. >>> >>> I already pay a goodly sum for shitty internet access, I'm not going to >>> add another anchor to that boat: monthly fees absolutely will not fly >>> with me. >> >> Software vendors couldn't give a gnat's fart about how much you pay for >> Internet access. They aren't ISPs. They write code. Your incidental >> costs are irrelevant, especially since you inquired about a product that >> doesn't need Internet access. For a local app that does local audio >> crunching to convert to local text, Internet access is completely a >> non-issue. >> >> The gas station attendent doesn't care how much you pay for car >> insurance, either. Not relevant to their sale (of fuel). Not relevant >> to their product (fuel). >> >>>> You also didn't mention your Android version, and Nuance Anywhare >>>> says it requires Android 4.4 or later (and iOS 8.1 or later). I >>>> suspect this is a large-sized app so you'll need to consider how >>>> much free memory you have. They don't give memory requirements on >>>> their web site for that app. >>> >>> Who cares what version of Android it runs under? >> >> Ah c'mon, even noobs understand that software has minimal requirements >> for support of it within the OS, and that things change with each >> version of an OS (else every new version wouldn't be a new version since >> it was the same as the prior version). There is some feature of Android >> 4.4 that Nuance's software requires. Same goes for ALL SOFTWARE. You >> might find some apps that require Android 2.2 but then, again, they >> aren't going to run under every version of the OS because they obviously >> make use of some feature available at a minimal version of the OS. So >> you DO care about the OS version because you DO care about using >> software on THAT operating system. >> >> In fact, some apps will list a range of versions of Android under which >> they will run. Google may decide to remove features from an OS that an >> app relied up, so the app cannot run under a later version of Android. >> For example, there are anti-spam apps that claim to not only block spam >> calls but also spam texts. However, I think it was Android 4.3 (maybe a >> late sub-minor version of 4.2) that removed the ability of these apps >> from looking at your texts or blocking them. So the anti-spam app has >> lost a feature because Google took it away. Obviously the OS version is >> important to you regardless of what software solution you might choose. >> >> Memory constraints is another criteria that you haven't bothered to take >> into account. Oh, you don't care about that either, uh huh, because you >> apparently are the only user of hardware that has infinite memory >> capacity. >> >> You need to establish your criteria regarding price (now and possibly >> later and perhaps repeatedly) along with hardware limitations (again >> typically constrained by budget). >> >>> When there's nothing on the market fit to buy, I tend to get a little >>> pissy about the whole modern circus, my bad, sorry. >> >> You just contradicted yourself. Now you're saying you would buy >> something if it was "fit". Before you said you wouldn't *buy* anything. >> Make up your mind. Do you have a requirement that the app be free? If >> so, expect crappy quality or lots of in-app ads (or even rude popup ads >> that appear outside the app when you don't think it is even running). >> Will you pay for a solution? If so, you have to establish criteria as >> to what you can afford and how often. You don't get a $150/yr program >> for free unless you steal it - and this is not a pro-warez newsgroup. >> >> First decide on your criteria: budget (now and later), hardware >> constraints, and OS constraints. You seem to want a blanket solution >> that provides for free an expensive commercialware app without any >> hardware limitations and will run under every version of Android that >> has ever existed since 2003 and will ever exist hereafter. <rolls eyes> > > *slow clapping* : ) > Dunno what you're clapping about, the guy's an idiot. I ask a question and the moron tries to explain me out of it. If nobody can answer the goddamn question I'm wasting my time here. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nrbjn0$77t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58672 |
On 09/13/2016 02:00 PM, VanguardLH wrote: > crankypuss wrote: > >> On 09/13/2016 02:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote: >>> crankypuss wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any application, free or paid, running under Android or iOS or >>>> linux, that performs dictation (voice-to-text) without requiring an >>>> internet connection? TIA. >>> >>> Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0 >>> for their Anywhere app. When I click on their Buy Now button, yep, it >>> is subscriptionware. $15/mo, $40/qtr, or $150/yr. However, you never >>> mentioned "free" as a requirement. The weekly subscription is shown as >>> $0 but that's probably for the duration of a trial period. You could >>> test it to see if it meets your needs. >> >> I already pay a goodly sum for shitty internet access, I'm not going to >> add another anchor to that boat: monthly fees absolutely will not fly >> with me. > Do I really have time to dick around with this? > Software vendors couldn't give a gnat's fart about how much you pay for > Internet access. They aren't ISPs. They write code. Having retired from a "career" as a software developer, I completely understand their need for greed. > Your incidental > costs are irrelevant, especially since you inquired about a product that > doesn't need Internet access. For a local app that does local audio > crunching to convert to local text, Internet access is completely a > non-issue. So which one does the job and does it well without internet access? What kind of box do I need to run it? What's the bottom-line cash price? I don't rent anything I can buy. > > The gas station attendent doesn't care how much you pay for car > insurance, either. Not relevant to their sale (of fuel). Not relevant > to their product (fuel). > Either stop being an ass and get down to business, or piss off. >>> You also didn't mention your Android version, and Nuance Anywhare >>> says it requires Android 4.4 or later (and iOS 8.1 or later). I >>> suspect this is a large-sized app so you'll need to consider how >>> much free memory you have. They don't give memory requirements on >>> their web site for that app. >> >> Who cares what version of Android it runs under? > > Ah c'mon, even noobs understand that software has minimal requirements > for support of it within the OS, and that things change with each > version of an OS (else every new version wouldn't be a new version since > it was the same as the prior version). There is some feature of Android > 4.4 that Nuance's software requires. Same goes for ALL SOFTWARE. You > might find some apps that require Android 2.2 but then, again, they > aren't going to run under every version of the OS because they obviously > make use of some feature available at a minimal version of the OS. So > you DO care about the OS version because you DO care about using > software on THAT operating system. You don't get it. I don't give a gnat's fart what kind of machine it takes to run the fucking thing. If I don't already have hardware that'll run the software, and they require specific hardware, somebody out there will sell it to me. > > In fact, some apps will list a range of versions of Android under which > they will run. Google may decide to remove features from an OS that an > app relied up, so the app cannot run under a later version of Android. > For example, there are anti-spam apps that claim to not only block spam > calls but also spam texts. However, I think it was Android 4.3 (maybe a > late sub-minor version of 4.2) that removed the ability of these apps > from looking at your texts or blocking them. So the anti-spam app has > lost a feature because Google took it away. Obviously the OS version is > important to you regardless of what software solution you might choose. > > Memory constraints is another criteria that you haven't bothered to take > into account. Oh, you don't care about that either, uh huh, because you > apparently are the only user of hardware that has infinite memory > capacity. You're boring the shit out of me. > > You need to establish your criteria regarding price (now and possibly > later and perhaps repeatedly) along with hardware limitations (again > typically constrained by budget). I already did that. I will not rent. Cash up front on proof of quality. > >> When there's nothing on the market fit to buy, I tend to get a little >> pissy about the whole modern circus, my bad, sorry. > > You just contradicted yourself. You just proved yourself to be an idiot. > Now you're saying you would buy > something if it was "fit". Before you said you wouldn't *buy* anything. I said I wouldn't *rent* anything. > Make up your mind. Do you have a requirement that the app be free? If > so, expect crappy quality or lots of in-app ads (or even rude popup ads > that appear outside the app when you don't think it is even running). > Will you pay for a solution? If so, you have to establish criteria as > to what you can afford and how often. You don't get a $150/yr program > for free unless you steal it - and this is not a pro-warez newsgroup. > > First decide on your criteria: budget (now and later), hardware > constraints, and OS constraints. You seem to want a blanket solution > that provides for free an expensive commercialware app without any > hardware limitations and will run under every version of Android that > has ever existed since 2003 and will ever exist hereafter. <rolls eyes> > You sir are a fool and a waste of my time. Thank you nonetheless. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <adbd20fb-eafc-c2f9-3da5-2b9f80606ce2@arnowelzel.de> |
| In reply to | #58660 |
VanguardLH schrieb am 2016-09-13 um 10:02: [...] > The app's description at the Google Play store doesn't mention price (or > mention it is free) and no mention of in-app purchases or ads. So I > can't tell if it is truly free (no ads as the cost) or if it is even > free. One reviewer noted a subscription price of £15/month which seems > damn high. Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0 [...] "Dragon Anywhere is a professional-grade, cloud-based dictation solution" Well - "cloud-based" looks like "we send the recorded voice online to a server and get the text back". That's why they want money on a monthly basis. As long you pay, you can use the *online* service. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de http://de-rec-fahrrad.de http://fahrradzukunft.de
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <e3sedfFr1jfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58677 |
Arno Welzel wrote: > VanguardLH schrieb am 2016-09-13 um 10:02: > > [...] >> The app's description at the Google Play store doesn't mention price (or >> mention it is free) and no mention of in-app purchases or ads. So I >> can't tell if it is truly free (no ads as the cost) or if it is even >> free. One reviewer noted a subscription price of £15/month which seems >> damn high. Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0 > [...] > > "Dragon Anywhere is a professional-grade, cloud-based dictation solution" > > Well - "cloud-based" looks like "we send the recorded voice online to a > server and get the text back". That's why they want money on a monthly > basis. As long you pay, you can use the *online* service. Therein lies a fundamental defect in expecting smartphone or tablets to replace desktops much less servers or a meshed network of them. Users want toy computers to do massive computing, like buying a shovel to replace their sod instead of renting a bobcat. I did find in Anywhere's system requirements the statement "Active Wi-Fi or cellular connection". A slow transfer rate to get the audio data up to the server would impact responsiveness of the app for seeing when the text got delivered back from the server. That's probably why Betts noted the slowness of using the Google transcription feature: takes time to upload the audio data, wait for the server to crunch it, and to get the text from the server. They also mention "By using Dragon Anywhere, you expressly consent and agree that Speech Data, which may contain personal information, shall be stored and processed in the United States. “Speech Data” means the audio files, associated text, transcriptions and log files provided by you or generated in connection with Nuance Products." So where you are could also affect responsiveness, like you're stuck with a route that with long delay (i.e., slow hosts as hops in the overseas/intercontinental route from you to USA server). I'm not surprised that Anywhere is a front end to the actual computation that needs far more powerful computers to process the data up "in the cloud" (which, to me, is just marketspeak for a client-server config). This harkens back to when employees used dumb terminals to run programs on the server. The workstations didn't have the power to do the work and employers weren't going to buy racks of servers for each employee. What the OP wants is no Internet connection required for a local app to do speech analysis across many languages and variations and also do the transcription immediately and do it for dirt cheap. I want a woman that never argues with me and a 3-course t-bone meal for $2. Dream on. As for the suggestion that I gave, cranky said "it's mortally slow". Maybe he has a slow wifi connection, or no wifi and his cellular data rate is slow. For me, the text appeared almost as fast as I spoke. Yes, there are inaccuracies. This feature has no per-user learning feature as would a robust speech analyzer. You don't get to record a vocabulary of keywords to identify punctuation. Geez, what does he expect for FREE? It's clear he isn't going to pay for anything better.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e3tbpmF3kpiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58679 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote: > > Yes, there are inaccuracies. This feature has no per-user learning > feature as would a robust speech analyzer. You don't get to record a > vocabulary of keywords to identify punctuation. Geez, what does he > expect for FREE? It's clear he isn't going to pay for anything better. Siri on iOS has its inaccuracies as well, but it allows you to correct pronunciation of words, recognize people by nickname like "my wife", and so on, and it's free. Of course it, too, requires an Internet connection. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 02:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jt6pad-428.ln1@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #58679 |
On 2016-09-14 10:00, VanguardLH wrote:
> What the OP wants is no Internet connection required for a local app to
> do speech analysis across many languages and variations and also do the
> transcription immediately and do it for dirt cheap. I want a woman that
> never argues with me and a 3-course t-bone meal for $2. Dream on.
No. The OP did not ask for many languages, nor do it cheap. The only
requirement was that it had to be local, without Internet. Nor did he
specify a size of machine or type of machine.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 05:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58687 |
On 09/14/2016 06:34 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2016-09-14 10:00, VanguardLH wrote: > >> What the OP wants is no Internet connection required for a local app to >> do speech analysis across many languages and variations and also do the >> transcription immediately and do it for dirt cheap. I want a woman that >> never argues with me and a 3-course t-bone meal for $2. Dream on. > > No. The OP did not ask for many languages, nor do it cheap. The only > requirement was that it had to be local, without Internet. Nor did he > specify a size of machine or type of machine. > In addition to being local (non-internet) it needs to actually work, which is kind of assumed. And it has to run on something I can physically carry around, not some mainframe complex that would require a new building and additional infrastructure. English is plenty, it's the only language I speak. I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question. Is such a device available to consumers and where can it be purchased? I'm not sure why that's so difficult, it's "yes, xxxx", "nothing exists", or "i dunno". What I read instead is posturing by those who don't know the answer, presume that I'm just as cheap as they are, then attempt to educate me, apparently so they can feel better cuz I been educated already, I been to college, I raised a family by cranking better code than the next guy, I know how some of this stuff works. I don't get it. Why do we waste our time on discussion groups filled with trolls and others who are grasp at any opportunity to puff themselves up? Better yet, why is our "civilization" such that the emotionally needy comprise its majority? Why do people assume that price is the first and only consideration? First you find out if there's anything available that's actually worth buying, *then* you shop and/or negotiate price. If nothing's available it doesn't make any difference whether it's expensive, cheap, or free, there ain't no such animal so price is irrelevant. One you find out what you'd bother to own, you can either buy it or you can't. Easy-peasey. The advertising and credit industries have been way too successful imo. I've read half a dozen articles lately on the new phones. Lots of fancy crap like better ways to play music while you pick your nose. People are eating this shit up like there's no tomorrow. I don't get it, so maybe there really is no tomorrow. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 19:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnntlu5a.2g77.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #58691 |
In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question. Is such a device > available to consumers and where can it be purchased? No, nothing like that exists. You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer. -- "We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am."
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nrgj6f$sqo$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58697 |
On 09/15/2016 01:38 PM, Lewis wrote: > In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >> I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question. Is such a device >> available to consumers and where can it be purchased? > > No, nothing like that exists. > > You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer. > Forget the internet connection. I'm one of the few people in the States who won't shit his pants if the internet suddenly goes away, because my connectivity is so bad I'm used to working mostly without it. The distinction between laptops and desktops is a little blurry to me today. If I was to learn, for example, that Apple's Siri worked on a MacBook with no internet connection, I'd might run flat out of excuses not to buy one. But I have some trust issues. I saw the salesman at the Apple store speak and I saw text come out on the screen, but at the time I knew nothing about Apple devices and couldn't tell if it was connected or not. I'm pretty sure it was, the place positively hums with wifi. Anyway I think I asked if it worked without internet and I think he grunted in the affirmative, but it damn sure doesn't work without internet. In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it already is. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2016-09-17 01:11 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1mtp05g.1vwzbwg1ddii8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #58715 |
crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09/15/2016 01:38 PM, Lewis wrote: > > In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> > > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question. Is such a device > >> available to consumers and where can it be purchased? > > > > No, nothing like that exists. > > > > You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer. > > Forget the internet connection. I'm one of the few people in the States > who won't shit his pants if the internet suddenly goes away, because my > connectivity is so bad I'm used to working mostly without it. > > The distinction between laptops and desktops is a little blurry to me > today. If I was to learn, for example, that Apple's Siri worked on a > MacBook with no internet connection, I'd might run flat out of excuses > not to buy one. Siri and dictation are different features. They both involve speech recognition and share support code/data. Assuming you meant dictation, then it can work on a MacBook Pro while it is without Internet. (There is no difference between desktop and laptop Macs in this area.) Siri (the assistant) has not been a feature of the Mac to date. It is one of the major new features in the next OS release (macOS Sierra, version 10.12) which is due next week. Siri requires Internet access. Dictation has been a built-in feature on the Mac for several years (and major OS versions). A few years ago, Apple added an option to download the necessary data for it to operate offline, which currently offers more than 30 languages, including several variants of some (e.g. English has Australia, Canada, UK and US). Some of them are over 1 GB. There is also third party software (e.g. Dragon Dictate), which can operate offline and is better than the built-in dictation as long as you train it. > But I have some trust issues. I saw the salesman at the Apple store > speak and I saw text come out on the screen, but at the time I knew > nothing about Apple devices and couldn't tell if it was connected or > not. It was probably online as they had good Internet, but it could be done offline if the language pack had been downloaded. Right now I'm typing this by speaking, with no Internet connection. Dictation got that sentence 100% right. I had Wi-Fi turned off on my MacBook Pro so no possibility of data going anywhere. In other tests I've found dictation had too many errors for me to bother with it. I'd rather type. > I'm pretty sure it was, the place positively hums with wifi. > Anyway I think I asked if it worked without internet and I think he > grunted in the affirmative, but it damn sure doesn't work without > internet. It needs Internet access to download the language support, but once that is done it works offline. Of course all of this ignores the fact that the Mac OS expects a reasonable broadband connection for doing regular software updates: major OS releases since 2011 (annual but you can skip a year or two and still get security updates) have all been over 4 GB, some over 6 GB. Minor software updates (every couple of months) are usually hundreds of MB and can be over 1 GB. > In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might > make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it > already is. Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) Same as before. How is that difficult? -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nrjil8$mlb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58718 |
On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote: > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 09/15/2016 01:38 PM, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> >>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question. Is such a device >>>> available to consumers and where can it be purchased? >>> >>> No, nothing like that exists. >>> >>> You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer. >> >> Forget the internet connection. I'm one of the few people in the States >> who won't shit his pants if the internet suddenly goes away, because my >> connectivity is so bad I'm used to working mostly without it. >> >> The distinction between laptops and desktops is a little blurry to me >> today. If I was to learn, for example, that Apple's Siri worked on a >> MacBook with no internet connection, I'd might run flat out of excuses >> not to buy one. > > Siri and dictation are different features. They both involve speech > recognition and share support code/data. > > Assuming you meant dictation, then it can work on a MacBook Pro while it > is without Internet. (There is no difference between desktop and laptop > Macs in this area.) > > Siri (the assistant) has not been a feature of the Mac to date. It is > one of the major new features in the next OS release (macOS Sierra, > version 10.12) which is due next week. Siri requires Internet access. > > Dictation has been a built-in feature on the Mac for several years (and > major OS versions). A few years ago, Apple added an option to download > the necessary data for it to operate offline, which currently offers > more than 30 languages, including several variants of some (e.g. English > has Australia, Canada, UK and US). Some of them are over 1 GB. > > There is also third party software (e.g. Dragon Dictate), which can > operate offline and is better than the built-in dictation as long as you > train it. From [http://www.nuancemobilelife.com/support/USA/engusa/dragon-dictation/] "Do I need an Internet connection, data plan or WiFi? Yes. Your transcribed texts as well as the result list are sent over the Internet. You need either a WiFi or iPhone™ data connection. Make sure you have internet connectivity before trying to use the application on your iPad™ or iPod touch™." So what's up with this? > >> But I have some trust issues. I saw the salesman at the Apple store >> speak and I saw text come out on the screen, but at the time I knew >> nothing about Apple devices and couldn't tell if it was connected or >> not. > > It was probably online as they had good Internet, but it could be done > offline if the language pack had been downloaded. > > Right now I'm typing this by speaking, with no Internet connection. Then presumably, according to above website, you're using the MacBook Pro's builtin Dictation feature? > > Dictation got that sentence 100% right. I had Wi-Fi turned off on my > MacBook Pro so no possibility of data going anywhere. > > In other tests I've found dictation had too many errors for me to bother > with it. I'd rather type. Interesting, what's different? > >> I'm pretty sure it was, the place positively hums with wifi. >> Anyway I think I asked if it worked without internet and I think he >> grunted in the affirmative, but it damn sure doesn't work without >> internet. > > It needs Internet access to download the language support, but once that > is done it works offline. > > Of course all of this ignores the fact that the Mac OS expects a > reasonable broadband connection for doing regular software updates: > major OS releases since 2011 (annual but you can skip a year or two and > still get security updates) have all been over 4 GB, some over 6 GB. > Minor software updates (every couple of months) are usually hundreds of > MB and can be over 1 GB. > >> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might >> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it >> already is. > > Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) > > Same as before. How is that difficult? > Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which cannot be disabled under iOS 9. I got tired of hearing about how there is no music playing every time the iPhone in my pocked gets squeezed against the home button. There are all kinds of silly conditions required to keep the iPhone from "misbehaving". -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-17 17:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e45e1jF1gsrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58743 |
crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote: >> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might >>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it >>> already is. >> >> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) >> >> Same as before. How is that difficult? > > Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which > cannot be disabled under iOS 9. Huh? I just turned off Siri on my iPhone running iOS 10, and Voice Control is off, which is what I would expect since I've never used Voice Control and have no need for it. > I got tired of hearing about how there > is no music playing every time the iPhone in my pocked gets squeezed > against the home button. That doesn't happen here either. So I'm not sure what you are talking about. > There are all kinds of silly conditions > required to keep the iPhone from "misbehaving". My iPhone behaves just fine by default. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 11:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nrui1l$emu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58746 |
On 09/17/2016 11:49 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote: >>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might >>>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it >>>> already is. >>> >>> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) >>> >>> Same as before. How is that difficult? >> >> Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which >> cannot be disabled under iOS 9. > > Huh? I just turned off Siri on my iPhone running iOS 10, and Voice Control > is off, which is what I would expect since I've never used Voice Control > and have no need for it. It doesn't sound like you even know what it is. With Siri disabled, press and hold the home button. It makes a "pong!" sound and the goddamn thing talks to you because it thinks it's an iPod. There is no way to turn it off in iOS 9, and apparently no way to turn it off in iOS 10 either: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7665023?start=0&tstart=0 Voice control goes away if you enable Siri. If you enable Siri and your network connectivity is as bad as mine, you'll find that battery usage is such that you've used over 50% of the battery within 24 hours even if you're not using the phone at all other than to receive calls. Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear? Obviously their web-forums don't do shit, or the above link would not leave the issue unresolved. On the positive side, I do notice that they've fixed a couple bugs that were causing NewsTap to misbehave. Every little bit helps. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 00:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e4glfhFn847U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58770 |
crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09/17/2016 11:49 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: >> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote: >>>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might >>>>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it >>>>> already is. >>>> >>>> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) >>>> >>>> Same as before. How is that difficult? >>> >>> Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which >>> cannot be disabled under iOS 9. >> >> Huh? I just turned off Siri on my iPhone running iOS 10, and Voice Control >> is off, which is what I would expect since I've never used Voice Control >> and have no need for it. > > It doesn't sound like you even know what it is. Of course I do. It's a feature for people who want user interface elements announced audibly. > With Siri disabled, > press and hold the home button. Why would I bother holding the Home button if I've disabled Siri? I don't see any need for holding it down since that's how you invoke Siri, which is disabled. > It makes a "pong!" sound and the > goddamn thing talks to you because it thinks it's an iPod. There is no > way to turn it off in iOS 9, and apparently no way to turn it off in iOS > 10 either: > > https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7665023?start=0&tstart=0 Easily solved by not holding down the Home button. > Voice control goes away if you enable Siri. If you enable Siri and your > network connectivity is as bad as mine, you'll find that battery usage > is such that you've used over 50% of the battery within 24 hours even if > you're not using the phone at all other than to receive calls. Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home button). > Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear? Obviously their > web-forums don't do shit, or the above link would not leave the issue > unresolved. Those are community forums. If you want to file a big report, you want: <https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/> > On the positive side, I do notice that they've fixed a couple bugs that > were causing NewsTap to misbehave. Every little bit helps. I'm liking iOS 10, overall. Though there are things I dislike. AirPlay seems to only offer mirroring on my iPhone 5 now, which makes playing content on my Apple TV choppy and more problematic than normal. And a couple apps I use obviously need a round of bug fixes. : ( -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 04:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ns0bsp$39p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58772 |
On 09/21/2016 06:04 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 09/17/2016 11:49 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote: >>>>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might >>>>>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it >>>>>> already is. >>>>> >>>>> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position) >>>>> >>>>> Same as before. How is that difficult? >>>> >>>> Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which >>>> cannot be disabled under iOS 9. >>> >>> Huh? I just turned off Siri on my iPhone running iOS 10, and Voice Control >>> is off, which is what I would expect since I've never used Voice Control >>> and have no need for it. >> >> It doesn't sound like you even know what it is. > > Of course I do. It's a feature for people who want user interface elements > announced audibly. > >> With Siri disabled, >> press and hold the home button. > > Why would I bother holding the Home button if I've disabled Siri? I don't > see any need for holding it down since that's how you invoke Siri, which is > disabled. > >> It makes a "pong!" sound and the >> goddamn thing talks to you because it thinks it's an iPod. There is no >> way to turn it off in iOS 9, and apparently no way to turn it off in iOS >> 10 either: >> >> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7665023?start=0&tstart=0 > > Easily solved by not holding down the Home button. > >> Voice control goes away if you enable Siri. If you enable Siri and your >> network connectivity is as bad as mine, you'll find that battery usage >> is such that you've used over 50% of the battery within 24 hours even if >> you're not using the phone at all other than to receive calls. > > Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If > I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I > suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home > button). That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket, your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint. Sometimes we have decent connectivity, sometimes not. It seems to vary greatly based on time of day (probably load-related) and atmospheric conditions, higher humidity seems to give better signal strength on our end than when things are dry. On Verizon's coverage map we're just outside their claimed coverage area. Doubtless I would have better connectivity if I moved to a city, but I'd rather live with intermittent connectivity than live in a city. It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying, they seem to believe everybody lives in Cupertino; been there, have the scars, not going back. It's not like turning off voice control has never been asked for (cf above link), and it can't be that big change. > >> Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear? Obviously their >> web-forums don't do shit, or the above link would not leave the issue >> unresolved. > > Those are community forums. If you want to file a big report, you want: > > <https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/> Thanks, but I'm just going to wait and see. If it's fixed in the next point-release that'll provide a little more confidence in Apple. If not maybe I'll start moving back toward Android, or maybe not, I'm not sure just how hooked I am on some of the iPhone's features. But it'll provide me with more information than wasting some time filling out a form they doubtless have dozens of already. > >> On the positive side, I do notice that they've fixed a couple bugs that >> were causing NewsTap to misbehave. Every little bit helps. > > I'm liking iOS 10, overall. Though there are things I dislike. AirPlay > seems to only offer mirroring on my iPhone 5 now, which makes playing > content on my Apple TV choppy and more problematic than normal. And a > couple apps I use obviously need a round of bug fixes. : ( > I'm not seeing that much difference, other than the push-home-button change which is reverted easily enough, and the new look for the control-panel and notification-area. And the addition of the Home app, which thankfully can now be disappeared. Some things work better, others no worse mostly. Though I have been seeing some instances of non-response in the Settings app, sometimes it acts hung-up and doesn't notice a tap on a button, but going to Home and back usually breaks it loose; I suspect this is due to some network issue hogging the processor, which indicates some fairly crude code, but it's theirs to solve and not mine. I expect the boys in the back room are very busy putting together the first point-release. First-project guys tend to think that once a major release goes out they can relax and celebrate... that usually last for about one Friday night in my experience, then it's time to fix bugs again. <g> -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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| From | "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 10:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns0ujb$42s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58773 |
On 09-22-2016 05:23, crankypuss wrote: > That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket, > your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint. If you wouldn't trust your phone to a donkey, why would you trust it to an ass? -- Wes Groleau
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| From | "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 10:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns0v2o$6qt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58773 |
On 09-22-2016 05:23, crankypuss wrote: > It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope > with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying Standard procedure among ALL cellphones is that if you don't get a response from a tower, you increase the power and try again. Cell system's original purpose was to not only send, but receive calls. To do that, you have to tell the nearby towers where you are, and you can't be sure you have done so until they respond. Add an always-on data connection, and you are asking for that process to be magnified. Add GPS (whether Apple or other) and even though it is receive-only, it has to use power to process the data. Plus, receiving data often requires sending back an acknowledgement that you got it. Or that you didn't and need it again. Short version: What you are complaining about is the laws of physics regarding electromagnetic communications. When I am on the road, I go into airplane mode a lot, turning it back on briefly when I need it. -- Wes Groleau
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e4ifsaF5ttqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58775 |
W. Wesley Groleau <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> wrote: > On 09-22-2016 05:23, crankypuss wrote: >> It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope >> with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying > > Standard procedure among ALL cellphones is that if you don't get a > response from a tower, you increase the power and try again. > > Cell system's original purpose was to not only send, but receive calls. > To do that, you have to tell the nearby towers where you are, and you > can't be sure you have done so until they respond. Add an always-on > data connection, and you are asking for that process to be magnified. > > Add GPS (whether Apple or other) and even though it is receive-only, it > has to use power to process the data. > > Plus, receiving data often requires sending back an acknowledgement that > you got it. Or that you didn't and need it again. > > Short version: What you are complaining about is the laws of physics > regarding electromagnetic communications. > > When I am on the road, I go into airplane mode a lot, turning it back on > briefly when I need it. Bingo. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 05:12 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ns33hu$jnr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58775 |
On 09/22/2016 09:58 AM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote: > On 09-22-2016 05:23, crankypuss wrote: >> It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope >> with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying > > Standard procedure among ALL cellphones is that if you don't get a > response from a tower, you increase the power and try again. > > Cell system's original purpose was to not only send, but receive calls. > To do that, you have to tell the nearby towers where you are, and you > can't be sure you have done so until they respond. Add an always-on > data connection, and you are asking for that process to be magnified. > > Add GPS (whether Apple or other) and even though it is receive-only, it > has to use power to process the data. > > Plus, receiving data often requires sending back an acknowledgement that > you got it. Or that you didn't and need it again. > > Short version: What you are complaining about is the laws of physics > regarding electromagnetic communications. > > When I am on the road, I go into airplane mode a lot, turning it back on > briefly when I need it. > It would be really nice to be able to leave cellular-data enabled and have Siri turned off without turning Voice Control on. The thing was showing 48% battery use by Siri, 4% no-cell-connectivity. The wife and I are (apparently) old now, and I'd like either of us to be able to find the other with find-friends, you know, in case we come down with a case of senile dementia and get lost in the woods. I know that battery stuff you're talking about. The software is not adequate. btw, if you are in a marginal connectivity area, and turn cellular-data off or on, Settings is now (in 10.0.1) locking up fairly often (when signal is weak) and even the Home button sometimes doesn't work. Apple needs to stuff a few of their testers in a Faraday Cage or something so they can fix the network crap. Of course it's more important to make sure all the emojis are correct. So Aardvarks, you can keep your advice, but thanks for attempting to start some newsgroup flamage. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]
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