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Re: dictation without internet?

From VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android, comp.mobile.ipad, alt.os.linux
Subject Re: dictation without internet?
Date 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
Organization Usenet Elder
Message-ID <e3sedfFr1jfU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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Arno Welzel wrote:

> VanguardLH schrieb am 2016-09-13 um 10:02:
> 
> [...]
>> The app's description at the Google Play store doesn't mention price (or
>> mention it is free) and no mention of in-app purchases or ads.  So I
>> can't tell if it is truly free (no ads as the cost) or if it is even
>> free.  One reviewer noted a subscription price of £15/month which seems
>> damn high. Nuance's own web site (http://tinyurl.com/z6v6kag) shows $0
> [...]
> 
> "Dragon Anywhere is a professional-grade, cloud-based dictation solution"
> 
> Well - "cloud-based" looks like "we send the recorded voice online to a
> server and get the text back". That's why they want money on a monthly
> basis. As long you pay, you can use the *online* service.

Therein lies a fundamental defect in expecting smartphone or tablets to
replace desktops much less servers or a meshed network of them.  Users
want toy computers to do massive computing, like buying a shovel to
replace their sod instead of renting a bobcat.

I did find in Anywhere's system requirements the statement "Active Wi-Fi
or cellular connection".  A slow transfer rate to get the audio data up
to the server would impact responsiveness of the app for seeing when the
text got delivered back from the server.  That's probably why Betts
noted the slowness of using the Google transcription feature: takes time
to upload the audio data, wait for the server to crunch it, and to get
the text from the server.

They also mention "By using Dragon Anywhere, you expressly consent and
agree that Speech Data, which may contain personal information, shall be
stored and processed in the United States. “Speech Data” means the audio
files, associated text, transcriptions and log files provided by you or
generated in connection with Nuance Products."  So where you are could
also affect responsiveness, like you're stuck with a route that with
long delay (i.e., slow hosts as hops in the overseas/intercontinental
route from you to USA server).

I'm not surprised that Anywhere is a front end to the actual computation
that needs far more powerful computers to process the data up "in the
cloud" (which, to me, is just marketspeak for a client-server config).
This harkens back to when employees used dumb terminals to run programs
on the server.  The workstations didn't have the power to do the work
and employers weren't going to buy racks of servers for each employee.

What the OP wants is no Internet connection required for a local app to
do speech analysis across many languages and variations and also do the
transcription immediately and do it for dirt cheap.  I want a woman that
never argues with me and a 3-course t-bone meal for $2.  Dream on.

As for the suggestion that I gave, cranky said "it's mortally slow".
Maybe he has a slow wifi connection, or no wifi and his cellular data
rate is slow.  For me, the text appeared almost as fast as I spoke.
Yes, there are inaccuracies.  This feature has no per-user learning
feature as would a robust speech analyzer.  You don't get to record a
vocabulary of keywords to identify punctuation.  Geez, what does he
expect for FREE?  It's clear he isn't going to pay for anything better.

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        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 17:01 +0000
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            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 19:35 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 02:42 -0500
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      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:30 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 03:02 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:43 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 15:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600
    Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
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              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600
              Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
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              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:46 -0600
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        Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-15 08:40 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2016-09-15 15:38 -0400
            Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 16:02 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:45 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:55 -0500
            Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-17 16:33 -0500
              Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:18 +0200
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 11:57 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:43 -0500
  Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:08 +0200
    Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:21 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-15 17:09 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 23:20 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:16 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:59 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-17 14:06 -0700
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:40 -0600
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:14 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:46 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 01:08 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:31 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 16:45 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:29 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:21 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-16 16:44 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 03:00 +0200

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