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Re: dictation without internet?

From crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.ipad
Subject Re: dictation without internet?
Date 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600
Organization manana
Message-ID <nrjil8$mlb$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (4 earlier) <jt6pad-428.ln1@minas-tirith.valinor> <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me> <slrnntlu5a.2g77.g.kreme@snow.local> <nrgj6f$sqo$3@dont-email.me> <1mtp05g.1vwzbwg1ddii8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>

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On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote:
> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/15/2016 01:38 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <nre14u$c14$1@dont-email.me>
>>>   crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question.  Is such a device
>>>> available to consumers and where can it be purchased?
>>>
>>> No, nothing like that exists.
>>>
>>> You need an Internet connection or a desktop computer.
>>
>> Forget the internet connection.  I'm one of the few people in the States
>> who won't shit his pants if the internet suddenly goes away, because my
>> connectivity is so bad I'm used to working mostly without it.
>>
>> The distinction between laptops and desktops is a little blurry to me
>> today.  If I was to learn, for example, that Apple's Siri worked on a
>> MacBook with no internet connection, I'd might run flat out of excuses
>> not to buy one.
>
> Siri and dictation are different features. They both involve speech
> recognition and share support code/data.
>
> Assuming you meant dictation, then it can work on a MacBook Pro while it
> is without Internet. (There is no difference between desktop and laptop
> Macs in this area.)
>
> Siri (the assistant) has not been a feature of the Mac to date. It is
> one of the major new features in the next OS release (macOS Sierra,
> version 10.12) which is due next week. Siri requires Internet access.
>
> Dictation has been a built-in feature on the Mac for several years (and
> major OS versions). A few years ago, Apple added an option to download
> the necessary data for it to operate offline, which currently offers
> more than 30 languages, including several variants of some (e.g. English
> has Australia, Canada, UK and US). Some of them are over 1 GB.
>
> There is also third party software (e.g. Dragon Dictate), which can
> operate offline and is better than the built-in dictation as long as you
> train it.

 From [http://www.nuancemobilelife.com/support/USA/engusa/dragon-dictation/]

"Do I need an Internet connection, data plan or WiFi?

Yes. Your transcribed texts as well as the result list are sent over the 
Internet. You need either a WiFi or iPhone™ data connection. Make sure 
you have internet connectivity before trying to use the application on 
your iPad™ or iPod touch™."

So what's up with this?

>
>> But I have some trust issues.  I saw the salesman at the Apple store
>> speak and I saw text come out on the screen, but at the time I knew
>> nothing about Apple devices and couldn't tell if it was connected or
>> not.
>
> It was probably online as they had good Internet, but it could be done
> offline if the language pack had been downloaded.
>
> Right now I'm typing this by speaking, with no Internet connection.

Then presumably, according to above website, you're using the MacBook 
Pro's builtin Dictation feature?

>
> Dictation got that sentence 100% right. I had Wi-Fi turned off on my
> MacBook Pro so no possibility of data going anywhere.
>
> In other tests I've found dictation had too many errors for me to bother
> with it. I'd rather type.

Interesting, what's different?

>
>> I'm pretty sure it was, the place positively hums with wifi.
>> Anyway I think I asked if it worked without internet and I think he
>> grunted in the affirmative, but it damn sure doesn't work without
>> internet.
>
> It needs Internet access to download the language support, but once that
> is done it works offline.
>
> Of course all of this ignores the fact that the Mac OS expects a
> reasonable broadband connection for doing regular software updates:
> major OS releases since 2011 (annual but you can skip a year or two and
> still get security updates) have all been over 4 GB, some over 6 GB.
> Minor software updates (every couple of months) are usually hundreds of
> MB and can be over 1 GB.
>
>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might
>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it
>> already is.
>
> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position)
>
> Same as before. How is that difficult?
>

Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which 
cannot be disabled under iOS 9.  I got tired of hearing about how there 
is no music playing every time the iPhone in my pocked gets squeezed 
against the home button.  There are all kinds of silly conditions 
required to keep the iPhone from "misbehaving".

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
   [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]

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dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 15:48 -0600
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    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:36 -0600
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        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:34 -0600
  Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-12 01:06 -0500
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        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 17:01 +0000
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            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 19:35 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 02:42 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:30 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 03:02 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:43 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 15:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600
    Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
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              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-17 01:11 +1200
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 17:49 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 11:48 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 00:04 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:23 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:50 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:58 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:12 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:40 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 05:14 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-23 19:56 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 21:03 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-24 20:27 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 22:34 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-24 22:52 -0700
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-25 17:35 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:20 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-24 04:00 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:20 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-18 12:18 +1200
              Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:49 -0500
              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:46 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:52 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-15 08:40 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2016-09-15 15:38 -0400
            Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 16:02 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:45 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
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            Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-17 16:33 -0500
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      Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:43 -0500
  Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:08 +0200
    Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:21 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-15 17:09 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 23:20 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:16 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:59 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-17 14:06 -0700
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:40 -0600
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:14 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:46 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 01:08 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:31 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 16:45 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:29 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:21 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-16 16:44 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 03:00 +0200

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