Re: dictation without internet?

From	crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.ipad
Subject	Re: dictation without internet?
Date	2016-09-22 04:23 -0600
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On 09/21/2016 06:04 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 09/17/2016 11:49 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 09/16/2016 07:11 AM, David Empson wrote:
>>>>> crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact I'm holding off on the iOS 10 install because I'm afraid it might
>>>>>> make it more difficult to turn off the useless Siri component than it
>>>>>> already is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Settings > Siri > (set slider to off position)
>>>>>
>>>>> Same as before. How is that difficult?
>>>>
>>>> Turn off Siri and on an iPhone and that turns on Voice Control which
>>>> cannot be disabled under iOS 9.
>>>
>>> Huh? I just turned off Siri on my iPhone running iOS 10, and Voice Control
>>> is off, which is what I would expect since I've never used Voice Control
>>> and have no need for it.
>>
>> It doesn't sound like you even know what it is.
>
> Of course I do. It's a feature for people who want user interface elements
> announced audibly.
>
>> With Siri disabled,
>> press and hold the home button.
>
> Why would I bother holding the Home button if I've disabled Siri? I don't
> see any need for holding it down since that's how you invoke Siri, which is
> disabled.
>
>> It makes a "pong!" sound and the
>> goddamn thing talks to you because it thinks it's an iPod.  There is no
>> way to turn it off in iOS 9, and apparently no way to turn it off in iOS
>> 10 either:
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7665023?start=0&tstart=0
>
> Easily solved by not holding down the Home button.
>
>> Voice control goes away if you enable Siri.  If you enable Siri and your
>> network connectivity is as bad as mine, you'll find that battery usage
>> is such that you've used over 50% of the battery within 24 hours even if
>> you're not using the phone at all other than to receive calls.
>
> Bad network connectivity is definitely a problem. Glad I don't have it. If
> I were living off the grid I'd have *some* sort of connectivity. And I
> suppose if not, I'd disable Siri (and refrain from holding down the Home
> button).

That's great in theory, but if you carry the phone in a back pocket, 
your ass may not implement that particular kind of restraint.

Sometimes we have decent connectivity, sometimes not.  It seems to vary 
greatly based on time of day (probably load-related) and atmospheric 
conditions, higher humidity seems to give better signal strength on our 
end than when things are dry.  On Verizon's coverage map we're just 
outside their claimed coverage area.

Doubtless I would have better connectivity if I moved to a city, but I'd 
rather live with intermittent connectivity than live in a city.

It just seems way messed up that Apple's flagship mobile os can't cope 
with bad connectivity conditions and drains the battery trying, they 
seem to believe everybody lives in Cupertino; been there, have the 
scars, not going back.  It's not like turning off voice control has 
never been asked for (cf above link), and it can't be that big change.

>
>> Suggestions for putting a bug in Apple's ear?  Obviously their
>> web-forums don't do shit, or the above link would not leave the issue
>> unresolved.
>
> Those are community forums. If you want to file a big report, you want:
>
> <https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/>

Thanks, but I'm just going to wait and see.  If it's fixed in the next 
point-release that'll provide a little more confidence in Apple.  If not 
maybe I'll start moving back toward Android, or maybe not, I'm not sure 
just how hooked I am on some of the iPhone's features.  But it'll 
provide me with more information than wasting some time filling out a 
form they doubtless have dozens of already.

>
>> On the positive side, I do notice that they've fixed a couple bugs that
>> were causing NewsTap to misbehave.  Every little bit helps.
>
> I'm liking iOS 10, overall. Though there are things I dislike. AirPlay
> seems to only offer mirroring on my iPhone 5 now, which makes playing
> content on my Apple TV choppy and more problematic than normal. And a
> couple apps I use obviously need a round of bug fixes. : (
>

I'm not seeing that much difference, other than the push-home-button 
change which is reverted easily enough, and the new look for the 
control-panel and notification-area.  And the addition of the Home app, 
which thankfully can now be disappeared.

Some things work better, others no worse mostly.  Though I have been 
seeing some instances of non-response in the Settings app, sometimes it 
acts hung-up and doesn't notice a tap on a button, but going to Home and 
back usually breaks it loose; I suspect this is due to some network 
issue hogging the processor, which indicates some fairly crude code, but 
it's theirs to solve and not mine.

I expect the boys in the back room are very busy putting together the 
first point-release.  First-project guys tend to think that once a major 
release goes out they can relax and celebrate... that usually last for 
about one Friday night in my experience, then it's time to fix bugs 
again. <g>

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
   [Sat Sep 03: "Associative Storage and Everything Everywhere"]

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dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 15:48 -0600
  Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 00:48 +0200
    Re: TTS on GPS (was: dictation without internet?) "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-11 22:12 -0500
      Re: TTS on GPS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:16 +0200
        Re: TTS on GPS Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-13 10:30 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:36 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-12 16:29 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:34 -0600
  Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-12 01:06 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-09-12 07:54 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 14:19 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 17:01 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:23 +0200
            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-12 19:35 +0000
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 02:42 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-12 20:30 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 03:02 -0500
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:43 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-13 15:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-13 21:02 +0000
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:27 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:26 -0600
    Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:04 +0200
      Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:00 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-15 02:34 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:21 -0600
            Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 19:38 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:37 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-17 01:11 +1200
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:02 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-17 17:49 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 11:48 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 00:04 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:23 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:50 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 10:58 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:12 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:40 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 05:14 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-23 19:56 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 21:03 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-24 20:27 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 22:34 -0400
                Re: dictation without internet? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-24 22:52 -0700
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-25 17:35 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:20 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-24 04:00 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 05:20 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: dictation without internet? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-18 12:18 +1200
              Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:49 -0500
              Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:46 -0600
                Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:52 -0500
        Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-15 08:40 +0200
          Re: dictation without internet? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2016-09-15 15:38 -0400
            Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 16:02 +0200
        Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:45 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:17 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:55 -0500
            Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-17 16:33 -0500
              Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:18 +0200
      Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-15 18:43 -0500
  Re: dictation without internet? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-14 09:08 +0200
    Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-14 03:21 -0500
      Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-14 16:22 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-09-15 17:09 -0500
          Re: dictation without internet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-15 23:20 +0000
            Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:16 +0000
              Re: dictation without internet? "W. Wesley Groleau" <Groleau+News@FreeShell.org> - 2016-09-17 15:59 -0500
                Re: dictation without internet? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-17 14:06 -0700
            Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:40 -0600
          Re: dictation without internet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-16 01:14 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 02:46 +0200
  Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 01:08 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:31 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-15 16:45 +0000
        Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:29 -0600
      Re: dictation without internet? crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 04:21 -0600
        Re: dictation without internet? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-09-16 16:44 +0000
    Re: dictation without internet? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-19 03:00 +0200

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