Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.mobile.ipad > #29983 > unrolled thread

IPad and

Started byMaurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net>
First post2014-01-19 15:56 +1000
Last post2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
Articles 20 on this page of 207 — 26 participants

Back to article view | Back to comp.mobile.ipad


Contents

  IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-19 15:56 +1000
    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 01:08 -0500
      Re: IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-19 16:39 +1000
        Re: IPad and Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-19 09:35 +0000
          Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-19 07:49 -0800
            Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:53 -0500
              Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-19 16:21 -0800
                Re: IPad and AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-19 21:17 -0500
                  Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-19 21:12 -0800
                  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 10:20 +0000
                    Re: IPad and AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-22 11:02 -0500
                      Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-22 10:18 -0800
                        Re: IPad and AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-22 18:19 -0500
                          Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-22 15:22 -0800
                      Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:19 +0000
                Re: IPad and Ed Propes <top1sg@suddenlink.net> - 2014-01-24 00:27 -0600
        Re: IPad and Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-19 12:37 -0500
        Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 11:57 -0600
        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:52 -0500
    Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:34 +1300
    Re: IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-19 17:10 +1000
    Re: IPad and David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-01-19 07:26 +0000
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:53 -0500
    Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 09:06 +0000
    Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:11 -0500
      Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
        Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 19:56 -0500
          Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:06 -0500
          Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1100
          Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
            Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:05 +1300
              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:20 -0500
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-21 15:56 +0000
                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-22 12:55 -0500
                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 11:29 -0800
                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 14:36 -0500
                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 15:21 -0800
                          Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-24 12:55 +1300
                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 16:08 -0800
                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 21:50 -0500
                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 21:50 -0500
                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 23:52 -0800
                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 12:13 -0500
                                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 10:28 -0800
                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 15:59 -0500
                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 14:11 -0800
                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 18:47 -0500
                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 16:39 -0800
                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 22:11 -0500
                                            Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-25 13:36 +0000
                                              Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 10:22 -0800
                                                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                                          Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-25 04:54 +0000
                                            Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                                              Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-26 20:59 +1300
                                                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                                  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-25 10:16 +0000
                                    Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-25 13:36 +0000
                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 10:26 -0800
                                      Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-25 19:12 +0000
                                        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:21 -0800
                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:28 -0500
                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:30 -0800
                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:36 -0500
                                                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 17:58 -0800
                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                                                    Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:25 +0000
                                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:55 -0500
                                                        Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 05:09 +0000
                                                      Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:35 +0000
                                                        Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 15:53 +0000
                                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 12:07 -0800
                                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:05 -0500
                                                                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 19:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 14:10 -0800
                                                                  Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-28 17:31 +1300
                                                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 21:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-28 13:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                          Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 13:22 +0000
                                          Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:46 -0600
                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 18:02 -0800
                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                                                Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-27 01:17 -0800
                                          Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:32 +0000
                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 08:10 -0800
                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                                                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 12:13 -0800
                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:05 -0500
                                              Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 13:17 +0000
                                                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 05:48 -0800
                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
                                                  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 18:34 +0000
                                                    Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 19:26 +0000
                                                      Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 00:31 +0000
                                                        Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 00:47 +0000
                                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 17:08 -0800
                                                          Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 16:59 +0000
                                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 09:08 -0800
                                                            Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 17:12 +0000
                                                              Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 09:14 -0800
                                                                Re: IPad and "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-28 22:13 +0000
                                                                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                              Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 16:02 +0000
                                                                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 17:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                                  Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-29 14:57 -0800
                                                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 15:00 -0800
                                                                      Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-29 15:03 -0800
                                                                  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 15:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 08:57 -0800
                                                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 13:49 -0500
                                                                    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 13:49 -0500
                                                                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                                    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 14:12 -0800
                                                      Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 00:32 +0000
                                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 17:10 -0800
                                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                                        Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:46 -0600
                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:26 -0800
                                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:31 -0500
                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 17:57 -0800
                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                                                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:21 +0000
                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:55 -0500
                                                    Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 05:20 +0000
                                                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                                          Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:44 -0600
                                            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 18:01 -0800
                                              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                                                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
                                            Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:18 +0000
                                              Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
                                              Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:37 +0000
                                                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 15:55 +0000
                                                  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                                                  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 13:23 +0000
                                      Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:42 -0600
                                        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 18:00 -0800
                                    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                    Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-23 10:49 +1100
                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 14:36 -0500
                        Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-24 09:02 +1100
                    Re: IPad and salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2014-01-24 03:01 +0000
                      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 22:24 -0500
                        Re: IPad and salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2014-01-25 04:04 +0000
                          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 23:15 -0500
                            Re: IPad and salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2014-01-26 02:32 +0000
          Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:47 +0000
            Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 10:17 +0000
              Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:46 +0000
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:22 +0000
                  Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-23 14:50 +0000
                    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 14:36 -0500
              Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-22 21:10 +0000
        Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:00 -0500
    Re: IPad and bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-19 10:48 -0600
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:53 -0500
        Re: IPad and bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-19 19:21 -0600
      Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-20 09:13 +1100
        Re: IPad and bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-19 19:21 -0600
          Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-20 13:43 +1100
    Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:59 +0000
      Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:58 -0500
        Re: IPad and Francesco Peeters <francesco@fampeeters.com> - 2014-01-21 08:45 +0100
    Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:30 -0500
      Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:59 -0500
      Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:31 -0800
    Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 18:36 -0800
    Re: IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-21 10:13 +1000
      Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-20 19:31 -0500
        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:57 -0800
          Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 20:30 -0500
          Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-20 22:19 -0500
            Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:38 -0800
              Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:08 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 23:01 -0800
              Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:30 +1300
            Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-22 23:02 -0800
              Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-24 09:34 +1300
                Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-23 14:47 -0800
                  Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-24 13:52 +1300
      Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:31 -0800
      Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:11 -0600
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 20:14 -0500
        Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 17:16 -0800
        Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-21 17:06 -0600
      Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-21 14:26 +1100
        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:09 -0500
      Re: IPad and Francesco Peeters <francesco@fampeeters.com> - 2014-01-21 08:39 +0100
        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
    Re: IPad and Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2014-01-22 10:12 +0000
    Re: IPad and Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2014-01-27 12:41 -0500
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500

Page 10 of 11 — ← Prev page 1 … 8 9 [10] 11  Next page →


#30004

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
Message-ID<lbhjqd$o5q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#29983
Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> wrote:
> My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
> 
> What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
> 
> I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.

Why are you afraid of iTunes?  I find it useful.
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30015

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-19 18:36 -0800
Message-ID<gtlhybxtv3.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#29983
Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> writes:

> My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
> 
> What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
> 
> I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.

"My wife wants to purchase an electric lawnmower.

What do I have to install at my house so that we will be able to use
this?

I wish to avoid using our electrical service at all costs, if
possible."


Of course the serious answer to your question has to do with what she
wants to use the iPad for.  I use mine quite extensively and virtually
never connect it to my computer.  Many files on my iPad come to me
direct from the internet.  When I need to move a written document from
computer to iPad, I use Dropbox.

But by ruling out using iTunes, you are eliminating the most sensible
way to move audio files that you may have on your computer to your
iPad, and similarly for certain kinds of video files.  If, like me,
that isn't a priority, then you may be just fine without connecting to
iTunes.

Again, the serious answer has to take into account what use she plans
to make of the iPad.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30023

FromMaurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net>
Date2014-01-21 10:13 +1000
Message-ID<lbke44$j8h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#29983
On 19/01/2014 3:56 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
> My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
>
> What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
>
> I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.

Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.

It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.

It was not my purpose to create an argument.

After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.

I rather like the apple products and their laptops in particular but 
they are in a higher price bracket than I wish to go.

The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop 
is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery sewing 
machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I know that it 
should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.

Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than 
iTunes !!!!!!!.

A number of suggestions made here re using Dropbox -- I will go in this 
direction I think as I use Dropbox on my own computers and it is a good 
product.

Thank you one and all for your input and suggestions.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maurice Helwig
~~~~~~~~~~~~

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30024

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2014-01-20 19:31 -0500
Message-ID<200120141931414748%star@sky.net>
In reply to#30023
Maurice Helwig:
> After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
> with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.

Android. Forget Apple. Get your wife an Android. People talk about how
one can use iOS devices without iTunes. It isn't /really/ possible to
get anything approaching full use of the device without iTunes. It
would be an impoverished experience.

> The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop 
> is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery sewing 
> machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I know that it 
> should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.

Whoosh! Right past me. ??

> Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than 
> iTunes !!!!!!!.

Frankly, you might need to get your act together and learn how to use
iTunes. I have a five-year-old neighbor who successfully uses iTunes
with an iPad on Windoze. I'm sure that, for a suitable fee, she would
be willing to teach you.

> Thank you one and all for your input and suggestions.

You're welcome. I truly believe that only one suggestion makes sense
for you: Android.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30026

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 16:57 -0800
Message-ID<kcob36up6j.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#30024
Davoud <star@sky.net> writes:

> Maurice Helwig:
> > After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
> > with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> 
> Android. Forget Apple. Get your wife an Android. People talk about how
> one can use iOS devices without iTunes. It isn't /really/ possible to
> get anything approaching full use of the device without iTunes. It
> would be an impoverished experience.

I think this was true with iOS 5.  Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
without using iTunes.

I have nothing _against_ using iTunes - it just doesn't come up in the
uses I make of my iPad.  What are those?

-answering email
-checking calendar
-browsing the web
-reading the New Yorker 
-reading books through the Amazon app
-listening to podcasts through Downcast
-doign NYT crossword puzzle
-streaming video from Netflix and other places
-writing notes in the Notes app.
-taking notes in meetings in uPad.
-culling photos imported from my camera.

There are a bunch of other things I do more rarely, but the
activities above are things I do on a daily basis more or less, and
don't involve any iTunes interactions.  

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30030

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 20:30 -0500
Message-ID<200120142030038488%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#30026
In article <kcob36up6j.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
> > > with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> > 
> > Android. Forget Apple. Get your wife an Android. People talk about how
> > one can use iOS devices without iTunes. It isn't /really/ possible to
> > get anything approaching full use of the device without iTunes. It
> > would be an impoverished experience.
> 
> I think this was true with iOS 5.  Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
> many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
> without using iTunes.

ios 5 is when itunes was no longer required.

itunes helps for a lot of things and will severely impact using an ios
device to its fullest extent, but it's not absolutely required.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30031

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2014-01-20 22:19 -0500
Message-ID<200120142219181103%star@sky.net>
In reply to#30026
Doug Anderson:
> ...Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
> many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
> without using iTunes.
> 
> I have nothing _against_ using iTunes - it just doesn't come up in the
> uses I make of my iPad.  What are those?
> 
> -answering email
> -checking calendar
> -browsing the web
> -reading the New Yorker 
> -reading books through the Amazon app
> -listening to podcasts through Downcast
> -doign NYT crossword puzzle
> -streaming video from Netflix and other places
> -writing notes in the Notes app.
> -taking notes in meetings in uPad.
> -culling photos imported from my camera.

I can't do the following without iTunes:
Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.
Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.

Chacun à son goût.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30033

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:38 -0800
Message-ID<7iwqhuatrx.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#30031
Davoud <star@sky.net> writes:

> Doug Anderson:
> > ...Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
> > many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
> > without using iTunes.
> > 
> > I have nothing _against_ using iTunes - it just doesn't come up in the
> > uses I make of my iPad.  What are those?
> > 
> > -answering email
> > -checking calendar
> > -browsing the web
> > -reading the New Yorker 
> > -reading books through the Amazon app
> > -listening to podcasts through Downcast
> > -doign NYT crossword puzzle
> > -streaming video from Netflix and other places
> > -writing notes in the Notes app.
> > -taking notes in meetings in uPad.
> > -culling photos imported from my camera.
> 
> I can't do the following without iTunes:
> Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.
> Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.

Sure.. I'm not asserting no one needs iTunes, nor that it is useless.

But your claim that one can only have a crippled user experience
without iTunes is wrong.  It simply depends on your usage patterns.

For exampke, I have little to back up.  My email is on a server.  My
calendar is on Google.  My contacts are on iCloud, etc. And of course
one can back up lots to iCloud.

I'm sure my situation isn't universal, but it is common.

Several of the other things you mention (stuff from the iTunes store)
can be done without interacting with iTunes on the Desktop (the OPs
objection).

I don't know about Aperture since I don't have it, but for many users,
the other four can be done without Desktop iTunes.

So again, I'm not telling you what to do.  I just disagree with your
assertion that the iPad experience without iTunes is "impoverished."


> Chacun à son goût.

Oui.  Though you didn't write before as if you meant that.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30034

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-21 00:08 -0500
Message-ID<210120140008586579%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#30033
In article <7iwqhuatrx.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I can't do the following without iTunes:
> > Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> > Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.
> > Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> > Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> 
> Sure.. I'm not asserting no one needs iTunes, nor that it is useless.
> 
> But your claim that one can only have a crippled user experience
> without iTunes is wrong.  It simply depends on your usage patterns.

if you do absolutely nothing with the ipad, then you don't need itunes
*or* the ipad. 

most people will find the lack of itunes to be an issue, since there's
a lot that can't be done without it, including what's listed above,
plus a *lot* more. 

> For exampke, I have little to back up.  My email is on a server.  My
> calendar is on Google.  My contacts are on iCloud, etc. And of course
> one can back up lots to iCloud.
> 
> I'm sure my situation isn't universal, but it is common.

no, actually it's not common.

most people have a variety of stuff on their ipads, from photos, music
and videos to data in various apps, and they want it all backed up, if
for no other reason that when they get a new device, all their stuff
shows up without any hassles. 

icloud gets only 'the most important data'. that's not all of it. 

> Several of the other things you mention (stuff from the iTunes store)
> can be done without interacting with iTunes on the Desktop (the OPs
> objection).

music *from* the store, yes. music not from the store requires itunes.

it's also a *lot* easier to manage music in itunes than on the device
itself, such as creating playlists, particularly smart playlists. 

> I don't know about Aperture since I don't have it, but for many users,
> the other four can be done without Desktop iTunes.

nope. the other four require itunes. icloud does not make a full
backup. photos, in conjunction with iphoto or aperture, is *required*
for syncing photos into albums along with with faces and places. music
and videos can only be synced with itunes unless you want to deal with
a third party player and lack of features and integration. 

> So again, I'm not telling you what to do.  I just disagree with your
> assertion that the iPad experience without iTunes is "impoverished."

it is definitely more limiting. that might not matter to you personally
but it does matter to most users, since most users use itunes with
their devices.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30037

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 23:01 -0800
Message-ID<3fzjmp24zn.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#30034
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <7iwqhuatrx.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I can't do the following without iTunes:
> > > Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> > > Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.
> > > Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> > > Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> > 
> > Sure.. I'm not asserting no one needs iTunes, nor that it is useless.
> > 
> > But your claim that one can only have a crippled user experience
> > without iTunes is wrong.  It simply depends on your usage patterns.
> 
> if you do absolutely nothing with the ipad, then you don't need itunes
> *or* the ipad. 
> 
> most people will find the lack of itunes to be an issue, since there's
> a lot that can't be done without it, including what's listed above,
> plus a *lot* more. 

Actually, most of what is listed above can be done without iTunes.

In particular, music, video from the store (which is what was above),
and backing up.

Aperture, I don't know about.

I do wonder about anything you say for "most people" since previous
experience suggests that you use that as a substitute for "I don't
know what I'm talking about."l

> > For exampke, I have little to back up.  My email is on a server.  My
> > calendar is on Google.  My contacts are on iCloud, etc. And of course
> > one can back up lots to iCloud.
> > 
> > I'm sure my situation isn't universal, but it is common.
> 
> no, actually it's not common.
> 
> most people have a variety of stuff on their ipads, from photos, music
> and videos to data in various apps, and they want it all backed up, if
> for no other reason that when they get a new device, all their stuff
> shows up without any hassles. 
> 
> icloud gets only 'the most important data'. that's not all of it. 
> 
> > Several of the other things you mention (stuff from the iTunes store)
> > can be done without interacting with iTunes on the Desktop (the OPs
> > objection).
> 
> music *from* the store, yes. music not from the store requires
> itunes.

Yes, that was what he mentioned: music from the store.

Music from your own computer generally requires using iTunes.

> it's also a *lot* easier to manage music in itunes than on the device
> itself, such as creating playlists, particularly smart playlists. 

That's true.  So if listening to music you keep on your computer
happens to be a big iPad use for you, then you'll want to be using
iTunes on your computer to move it there.

I don't use my iPad as a music listening device.  If I'm doing
earbuds, I use my iPhone, and if I'm doing speakers, I use something
with real speakers.  People I know who have iPads do the same as me.
I'm sure there are people who _do_ listen to music on their iPads, but
there are plenty who do not.

> > I don't know about Aperture since I don't have it, but for many users,
> > the other four can be done without Desktop iTunes.
> 
> nope. the other four require itunes.

What were those other things again?

Buying music from iTunes store (doesn't require desktop iTunes).
Buying videos from iTunes store (doesn't require desktop iTunes).
Backing up?  Doesn't require iTunes.

Just photos.  Like I said.

Yes, not using iTunes _may_ be limiting for your iPad use.  But it
depends how you are using your iPad.  I'm sure there are people who
use their iPads to play music a lot, or to watch non-streaming video.
I don't, and neither do the people around me.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30036

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-21 18:30 +1300
Message-ID<210120141830270512%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#30033
In article <7iwqhuatrx.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Davoud <star@sky.net> writes:
> 
> > Doug Anderson:
> > > ...Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
> > > many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
> > > without using iTunes.
> > > 
> > > I have nothing _against_ using iTunes - it just doesn't come up in the
> > > uses I make of my iPad.  What are those?
> > > 
> > > -answering email
> > > -checking calendar
> > > -browsing the web
> > > -reading the New Yorker 
> > > -reading books through the Amazon app
> > > -listening to podcasts through Downcast
> > > -doign NYT crossword puzzle
> > > -streaming video from Netflix and other places
> > > -writing notes in the Notes app.
> > > -taking notes in meetings in uPad.
> > > -culling photos imported from my camera.
> > 
> > I can't do the following without iTunes:
> > Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> > Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.
> > Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> > Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.
> 
> Sure.. I'm not asserting no one needs iTunes, nor that it is useless.
> 
> But your claim that one can only have a crippled user experience
> without iTunes is wrong.  It simply depends on your usage patterns.
> 
> For exampke, I have little to back up.  My email is on a server.  My
> calendar is on Google.  My contacts are on iCloud, etc. And of course
> one can back up lots to iCloud.
> 
> I'm sure my situation isn't universal, but it is common.
> 
> Several of the other things you mention (stuff from the iTunes store)
> can be done without interacting with iTunes on the Desktop (the OPs
> objection).
> 
> I don't know about Aperture since I don't have it, but for many users,
> the other four can be done without Desktop iTunes.
> 
> So again, I'm not telling you what to do.  I just disagree with your
> assertion that the iPad experience without iTunes is "impoverished."

Originally the iPad and iPhone *had* to have a computer to be set-up
and used. With more recent versions Apple has actually changed this so
that a computer (and hence iTunes) is no longer a necessity ... but it
can still be useful and can depend (as you said) on what you want to
use the iPad for.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30058

FromDevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net>
Date2014-01-22 23:02 -0800
Message-ID<d9f1e9hvlrspr8f4m40bu0301dntkgr44b@4ax.com>
In reply to#30031
In the last episode of <200120142219181103%star@sky.net>, Davoud
<star@sky.net> said:

>Doug Anderson:
>> ...Now that we are at iOS 7, there are
>> many users, like me, who get a great deal of use out of our iPads
>> without using iTunes.
>> 
>> I have nothing _against_ using iTunes - it just doesn't come up in the
>> uses I make of my iPad.  What are those?
>> 
>> -answering email
>> -checking calendar
>> -browsing the web
>> -reading the New Yorker 
>> -reading books through the Amazon app
>> -listening to podcasts through Downcast
>> -doign NYT crossword puzzle
>> -streaming video from Netflix and other places
>> -writing notes in the Notes app.
>> -taking notes in meetings in uPad.
>> -culling photos imported from my camera.
>
>I can't do the following without iTunes:
>Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.

You can do it over wifi using iCloud.

>Syncing photos from Aperture. This is important to me.

Photo synchronization is a bit of a complicated mess. You can save
photos on the device with local apps and upload/synchronize them to
Dropbox or similar.

But the iTunes photo synchronization cannot be done without iTunes.
However, it's actually not really required today.

>Syncing music from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.

You can do this without iTunes. What you can't do is load music from
non-iTunes sources.

>Syncing videos from the iTunes Store. This is important to me.

I believe that this can be done via iTunes, but I'm not sure.

-- 
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day,
but teach a man to phish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30063

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-24 09:34 +1300
Message-ID<240120140934501119%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#30058
In article <d9f1e9hvlrspr8f4m40bu0301dntkgr44b@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In the last episode of <200120142219181103%star@sky.net>, Davoud
> <star@sky.net> said:
> >
> >I can't do the following without iTunes:
> >Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> 
> You can do it over wifi using iCloud.

If you have a fast Internet connection and data caps aren't going to be
an issue, but there are other options for local backing-up.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30065

FromDevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net>
Date2014-01-23 14:47 -0800
Message-ID<e663e9dekaohm9vkno0o8b1n95pdaaeh6f@4ax.com>
In reply to#30063
In the last episode of <240120140934501119%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your
Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:

>In article <d9f1e9hvlrspr8f4m40bu0301dntkgr44b@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
><boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>> In the last episode of <200120142219181103%star@sky.net>, Davoud
>> <star@sky.net> said:
>> >
>> >I can't do the following without iTunes:
>> >Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
>> 
>> You can do it over wifi using iCloud.
>
>If you have a fast Internet connection and data caps aren't going to be
>an issue, 

Speed isn't really a factor, or at least on the <0.5Mb connection I've
been stuck on for some moons, it's worked fine.

(Yes, it takes a while, but it's not your time it wastes, so the amount
of time it takes isn't particularly relevant)

Data caps are a potential factor, but the amount of data is actually
reasonably small in most cases, especially if you are someone selective
over what data is actually being backed up, skipping data that can be
trivially re-created.

>but there are other options for local backing-up.

Outside of iTunes? Such as?

-- 
I don't approve of political jokes...
I've seen too many of them get elected.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30069

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-24 13:52 +1300
Message-ID<240120141352017917%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#30065
In article <e663e9dekaohm9vkno0o8b1n95pdaaeh6f@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:

> In the last episode of <240120140934501119%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your
> Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> 
> >In article <d9f1e9hvlrspr8f4m40bu0301dntkgr44b@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
> ><boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> >> In the last episode of <200120142219181103%star@sky.net>, Davoud
> >> <star@sky.net> said:
> >> >
> >> >I can't do the following without iTunes:
> >> >Backing up my iOS thingies. This is big, IMO.
> >> 
> >> You can do it over wifi using iCloud.
> >
> >If you have a fast Internet connection and data caps aren't going to be
> >an issue, 
> 
> Speed isn't really a factor, or at least on the <0.5Mb connection I've
> been stuck on for some moons, it's worked fine.
> 
> (Yes, it takes a while, but it's not your time it wastes, so the amount
> of time it takes isn't particularly relevant)
> 
> Data caps are a potential factor, but the amount of data is actually
> reasonably small in most cases, especially if you are someone selective
> over what data is actually being backed up, skipping data that can be
> trivially re-created.
> 
> >but there are other options for local backing-up.
> 
> Outside of iTunes? Such as?

The file browsers can obviously be used to backup to your computer, or
there are external wi-fi based hard drives you can transfer data to. If
you have already used jailbreak (unnecessarily just for this use) there
are likely to be more options as well.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30025

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 16:31 -0800
Message-ID<5umwiqw4xt.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#30023
Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> writes:

> On 19/01/2014 3:56 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
> > My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
> >
> > What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> > the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
> >
> > I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.
> 
> Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.
> 
> It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.
> 
> It was not my purpose to create an argument.
> 
> After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do
> with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> 
> I rather like the apple products and their laptops in particular but
> they are in a higher price bracket than I wish to go.
> 
> The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop
> is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery
> sewing machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I
> know that it should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.

iTunes does not mess around with files.  It offers you the option of
reorganizing your music and other media files.  You can say yes or no
to this option.

> Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than
> iTunes !!!!!!!.

The evidence suggests you are wrong.  While iTunes has its flaws, it
works just fine for the vast majority of iPhone and iPad users.  And
if one judges by sales, it doesn't seem to be discouraging sales.

> A number of suggestions made here re using Dropbox -- I will go in
> this direction I think as I use Dropbox on my own computers and it is
> a good product.

Dropbox is just fine.  I would not count on it getting music and
videos onto the iPad in an easy way, but if you don't need that, then
you're OK.

As I and others wrote before, whether and how much you need to use
iTunes depends completely on what you are using the iPad for.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30027

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:11 -0600
Message-ID<CF03256B.A68C7%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#30023


On 1/20/14 6:13 PM, in article lbke44$j8h$1@dont-email.me, "Maurice Helwig"
<maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> wrote:

> On 19/01/2014 3:56 PM, Maurice Helwig wrote:
>> My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
>> 
>> What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
>> the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
>> 
>> I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.
> 
> Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.
> 
> It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.
> 
> It was not my purpose to create an argument.
> 
> After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do
> with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> 
> I rather like the apple products and their laptops in particular but
> they are in a higher price bracket than I wish to go.
> 
> The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop
> is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery sewing
> machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I know that it
> should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.
> 

You are the typical PeeCee user who is forced to worry about supposed perils
in OS-X because of crap that happens in your world every day. Because
Windoze is so friggin BUGGY and has to be patched continuously does in NO
way correlate with Mac software. You do realize that since Micro$oft is
discontinuing support for XP and will not patch that POS anymore, 95%+ of
ATMs using it will be vulnerable to hacking after this year, unless the
update to another buggy soon-to-be-hacked MS OS? Your wife's dear embroidery
program is in no danger of ANYTHING due to iTunes. You are just another
WinDoze paranoid. Pay a little more and get a LOT more, good God, man!!!

> Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than
> iTunes !!!!!!!.
> 

Actually the "Act" is WAAAY "TOGETHER". YOU just need to remove the
Micro$oft rightly so veil of fear. It ISN'T a problem over here, OK?!?

> A number of suggestions made here re using Dropbox -- I will go in this
> direction I think as I use Dropbox on my own computers and it is a good
> product.
> 

Indeed, Dropbox is a great tool, but it doesn't substitute for easy backup
of your audio/video needs like iTunes.

BTW: You might want to look up "BOX Sync", it is much like Dropbox, and thru
02/15/14 you can get 50GB storage free by signing up and downloading the
App. "Google" it...

> Thank you one and all for your input and suggestions.

No. Thank YOU for coming out of your shell of fear and trusting Apple
products, please. The cost of security and peace of mind really isn't that
much, you know?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30028

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 20:14 -0500
Message-ID<200120142014312558%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#30023
In article <lbke44$j8h$1@dont-email.me>, Maurice Helwig
<maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> wrote:

> > My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
> >
> > What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> > the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
> >
> > I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.
> 
> Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.
> 
> It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.
> 
> It was not my purpose to create an argument.
> 
> After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
> with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.

and one that's entirely baseless.

you have yet to give a valid reason why you hate it, other than you had
troubles removing it.

removing software is not a reason to dislike something. a lot of
software is hard to remove, and not just to annoy users. there is
almost always a good reason for having multiple components. itunes
could not do what it does as seamlessly as it does it without those
components, and some of them have benefits outside of itunes (e.g.,
quicktime & bonjour).

what matters is what the software does when it's being used, not what
happens when you want to remove it. 

plus, i doubt you even used it at all. as i recall you said you were
asked to remove it for someone else. 

you also more than likely didn't remove it properly. apple outlines
exactly how.

> I rather like the apple products and their laptops in particular but 
> they are in a higher price bracket than I wish to go.

prices for macs are similar for similar spec hardware. 

what apple doesn't do is make bottom tier products, the $299 netbooks
and the like. the reason those are so cheap is they have lesser specs
(often significantly so) and don't do a whole lot, not because of any
mythical apple tax. 

much of the time, you have to add a lot of stuff (more memory, faster
processor, additional software, etc.) to make it useful, so it's not
nearly as cheap as it seems.

> The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop 
> is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery sewing 
> machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I know that it 
> should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.

why in the world would itunes mess with embroidery software???

now you're just making up nonsensical reasons to dislike it.

not only does itunes not mess with anything, but it certainly won't
mess with something entirely unrelated even if you wanted it to.

> Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than 
> iTunes !!!!!!!.

why? millions of users don't find itunes to be a problem.

it's not perfect (nothing is), but it is a lot better than manually
maintaining a file/folder hierarchy, which not only is a pain in the
ass, but very limiting.

there will always be a few who dislike something no matter what it is,
and they tend to be very vocal about it. not surprisingly, they never
actually say *why* they hate it, or they come up with some ridiculous
reason, as you did above.

> A number of suggestions made here re using Dropbox -- I will go in this 
> direction I think as I use Dropbox on my own computers and it is a good 
> product.

it is a very good product, but it can't do all of what itunes can do.

*both* are useful, and for different purposes.

for instance, without itunes, you won't be able to sync music so that
the built in music and video players will play it, thereby drastically
limiting your options. you won't have any playlists, smart or
otherwise.

rearranging apps is a lot easier in itunes than on a device (even with
the idiotic new way in ios 7). large files will take a really long time
to transfer versus usb.

you won't be able to make a full backup or restore from it, nor will
you be able to recover a device that for some reason, has a problem
with an over the air update.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30029

FromDoug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-20 17:16 -0800
Message-ID<46ioteuoao.fsf@ethel.the.log>
In reply to#30028
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <lbke44$j8h$1@dont-email.me>, Maurice Helwig
> <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> > > My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
> > >
> > > What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
> > > the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
> > >
> > > I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.
> > 
> > Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.
> > 
> > It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.
> > 
> > It was not my purpose to create an argument.
> > 
> > After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do 
> > with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> 
> and one that's entirely baseless.
> 
> you have yet to give a valid reason why you hate it, other than you had
> troubles removing it.

Wait - you, nospam, are asking people for valid reasons?

...does not compute...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#30042

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-21 17:06 -0600
Message-ID<CF04597C.A698D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#30028


On 1/20/14 7:14 PM, in article 200120142014312558%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <lbke44$j8h$1@dont-email.me>, Maurice Helwig
> <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
>>> My wife is wanting to buy one of these -- a 10 inch screen
>>> 
>>> What does she have to have installed on her laptop to communicate with
>>> the Ipad. I am referring to transferring files to and from the Ipad.
>>> 
>>> I wish to avoid using iTunes at all costs, if possible.
>> 
>> Well I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with my post.
>> 
>> It shows that there are strongly held views about iTunes out there.
>> 
>> It was not my purpose to create an argument.
>> 
>> After my experience with iTunes I do not want to have anything to do
>> with it. That's a strongly held view, I admit.
> 
> and one that's entirely baseless.
> 
> you have yet to give a valid reason why you hate it, other than you had
> troubles removing it.
> 
> removing software is not a reason to dislike something. a lot of
> software is hard to remove, and not just to annoy users. there is
> almost always a good reason for having multiple components. itunes
> could not do what it does as seamlessly as it does it without those
> components, and some of them have benefits outside of itunes (e.g.,
> quicktime & bonjour).
> 
> what matters is what the software does when it's being used, not what
> happens when you want to remove it.
> 
> plus, i doubt you even used it at all. as i recall you said you were
> asked to remove it for someone else.
> 
> you also more than likely didn't remove it properly. apple outlines
> exactly how.
> 
>> I rather like the apple products and their laptops in particular but
>> they are in a higher price bracket than I wish to go.
> 
> prices for macs are similar for similar spec hardware.
> 
> what apple doesn't do is make bottom tier products, the $299 netbooks
> and the like. the reason those are so cheap is they have lesser specs
> (often significantly so) and don't do a whole lot, not because of any
> mythical apple tax.
> 
> much of the time, you have to add a lot of stuff (more memory, faster
> processor, additional software, etc.) to make it useful, so it's not
> nearly as cheap as it seems.
> 
>> The second reason that I do not want to put iTunes on my wife's laptop
>> is that she has some embroidery software in it for her embroidery sewing
>> machine and I do not want iTunes messing about with that. I know that it
>> should not but I am not prepared to take the risk.
> 
> why in the world would itunes mess with embroidery software???
> 
> now you're just making up nonsensical reasons to dislike it.
> 
> not only does itunes not mess with anything, but it certainly won't
> mess with something entirely unrelated even if you wanted it to.
> 
>> Apple needs to get its act together and produce something better than
>> iTunes !!!!!!!.
> 
> why? millions of users don't find itunes to be a problem.
> 
> it's not perfect (nothing is), but it is a lot better than manually
> maintaining a file/folder hierarchy, which not only is a pain in the
> ass, but very limiting.
> 
> there will always be a few who dislike something no matter what it is,
> and they tend to be very vocal about it. not surprisingly, they never
> actually say *why* they hate it, or they come up with some ridiculous
> reason, as you did above.
> 

OK. Here is MY rediculous reason I hate iTunes: They dropped CoverFlow.

OK, I said it. <WHEW!>

I feel better already...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


Page 10 of 11 — ← Prev page 1 … 8 9 [10] 11  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.mobile.ipad


csiph-web