Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.mobile.android > #57030 > unrolled thread
| Started by | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2018-11-01 23:53 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-11-04 19:35 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 113 — 14 participants |
Back to article view | Back to comp.mobile.android
Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-01 23:53 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-02 14:24 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-02 21:49 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-02 20:26 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Tim <onelydad58@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 04:46 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-03 16:42 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-03 13:41 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-03 21:09 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-03 18:00 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 00:22 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-03 21:01 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-03 23:11 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-04 14:45 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 12:27 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 11:59 -0800
stored maps (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-04 20:32 +0000
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 14:18 -0800
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 02:04 +0000
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 22:18 -0800
Re: stored maps "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 11:26 +0100
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 16:42 +0000
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:08 +0100
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 18:22 +0000
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:52 +0100
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:15 +0000
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 19:34 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 20:13 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 21:58 +0100
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 21:39 +0000
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-06 01:18 +0100
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 20:39 -0800
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-06 14:28 +0000
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 09:58 -0800
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 14:23 -0400
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 10:57 -0400
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-06 14:23 +0000
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-07 23:11 +0100
Re: stored maps Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-05 21:42 +0100
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 22:05 +0100
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 21:41 +0000
Re: stored maps Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-06 22:36 +0100
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-07 01:20 +0000
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-07 16:23 +0000
Re: stored maps Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-07 16:53 +0000
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-07 18:47 +0000
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 13:49 -0800
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 19:10 -0400
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-08 00:21 +0000
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 20:53 -0800
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:01 -0400
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:26 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:09 -0400
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:11 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0400
Re: stored maps 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-07 18:41 -0700
Re: stored maps The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 21:04 -0800
Re: stored maps Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-08 05:55 +0100
Re: stored maps Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-08 06:55 +0000
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:38 +0000
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 19:31 +0000
Re: stored maps "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 22:08 +0100
Re: stored maps Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-06 11:25 +0000
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400
Re: stored maps "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 20:16 +0000
Re: stored maps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400
Re: stored maps Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-06 08:11 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 14:31 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 14:23 -0800
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 02:08 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 20:10 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 22:24 -0800
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 10:13 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 10:25 -0800
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:15 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:16 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:56 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 11:23 +0100
navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 10:29 +0000
Re: navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:40 +0100
Re: navigation "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 14:47 +0000
Re: navigation "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:04 +0100
Re: navigation 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-05 09:34 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-05 13:08 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 11:20 +0100
navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 10:34 +0000
Re: navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:51 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-05 09:34 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 19:21 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-05 12:11 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 20:19 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:16 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 20:28 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-05 20:21 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-05 22:11 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-03 20:25 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Tim <onelydad58@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 04:40 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-03 00:22 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-03 12:43 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-03 13:41 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-03 22:40 +0100
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 13:12 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-02 14:24 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Steve Oates <steveoates@tiscali.co.uk> - 2018-11-04 17:53 +0000
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-04 12:27 -0700
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-11-06 23:37 +0200
Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-04 19:35 +0000
Page 5 of 6 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 Next page →
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 19:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <g4bi3dF2onU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57160 |
On 05/11/2018 11.13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <pronmi$e5d$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 11/04/2018 06:08 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> In message <prnrh7$qcu$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 11/04/2018 01:31 PM, 123456789 wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> Data plans are very
>>>>> cheap these days. We (2 phones in the family) live on 2GB/mo (+ 1mo
>>>>> rollover) and seldom use close to half. YMMV should you get a data
>>>>> plan
>>>>> of course....
>>>>
>>>> My voice plan is $10/year. I have a 200MB/month freedompop hotspot for
>>>> emergencies and hardly ever use it. Virtually ANY monthly fee is too
>>>> much for twice-a-year usage :-(
>>> []
>>> Yes, anyone who's on any monthly "plan" doesn't "get" the concept of
>>> occasional use, do they (-:! [Though if yours is yearly, that's still a
>>> plan ... (-:]
>>
>> Prepaid T-Mobile account, discontinued but grandfathered. As long as
>> I buy $10 worth of minutes once a year the ~600 I have roll over. I
>> use it as a camera more often, but it's kind of disappointing. I'd be
>> happier with less "G" and a better camera.
>>
> Same here, except I don't have to pay once a year. I can't remember how
> many years since I bought the SIM and put ten pounds on it, but last
> time I looked there was still about seven left ...
>
> (I do have to use it occasionally to keep the number alive, but that's
> universal, isn't it?)
No; I have a prepaid SIM, no data plan (here "no data plan" means 1€/day
if I do use data) which lasts for about a year if I don't make calls. In
any case, they demand about once a year to load some money to it, so I
load some 5€. In effect I have a SIM for 5€ a year for receiving calls only.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 11:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <f9i5bf-n7t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #57132 |
On 04/11/2018 20.59, The Real Bev wrote: > No data plan, so google maps are useless for things like this. My > Garmin tells me about traffic ahead when I'm maybe 10 seconds away from > the traffic jam -- sometimes not until I'm actually stopped in it. I > wonder if they all use the same traffic assessment service... TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is a jam. But a percent has to get caught. If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam info either. You have to contribute ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 10:29 +0000 |
| Subject | navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) |
| Message-ID | <qNB60TNTuB4bFwD0@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #57162 |
In message <f9i5bf-n7t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >On 04/11/2018 20.59, The Real Bev wrote: >> No data plan, so google maps are useless for things like this. My >> Garmin tells me about traffic ahead when I'm maybe 10 seconds away from >> the traffic jam -- sometimes not until I'm actually stopped in it. I >> wonder if they all use the same traffic assessment service... > >TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and >speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is a >jam. But a percent has to get caught. > >If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam info >either. You have to contribute ;-) > What network do they pass this information over (in both directions)? Presumably you have to pay at least an annual subscription, or do they come with x years' subscription and after that you don't get the information? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ... social media's tendency to knock on front doors and run away. Andrew Collins, RT 2017/8/5-11
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 15:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) |
| Message-ID | <g4b331Fr7p0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57164 |
On 05/11/2018 11.29, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <f9i5bf-n7t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>> On 04/11/2018 20.59, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> No data plan, so google maps are useless for things like this. My
>>> Garmin tells me about traffic ahead when I'm maybe 10 seconds away from
>>> the traffic jam -- sometimes not until I'm actually stopped in it. I
>>> wonder if they all use the same traffic assessment service...
>>
>> TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and
>> speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is a
>> jam. But a percent has to get caught.
>>
>> If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam info
>> either. You have to contribute ;-)
>>
> What network do they pass this information over (in both directions)?
> Presumably you have to pay at least an annual subscription, or do they
> come with x years' subscription and after that you don't get the
> information?
The model I have, a 1000 live something has a SIM inside, and low speed
internet connection, I think with Orange, valid on most of Europe (even
before the agreement/regulation on no roaming costs in the EU). It needs
a yearly subscription, I don't remember the price. 50€/year?
Other models can connect to a phone instead. Possibly at the time I
bought this TomTom I did not have a phone with data plan.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 14:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: navigation |
| Message-ID | <Q8hk4DaQgF4bFwGf@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #57169 |
In message <g4b331Fr7p0U1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >On 05/11/2018 11.29, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> In message <f9i5bf-n7t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. [] >>> TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and >>> speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is a >>> jam. But a percent has to get caught. >>> >>> If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam info >>> either. You have to contribute ;-) >>> >> What network do they pass this information over (in both directions)? >> Presumably you have to pay at least an annual subscription, or do they >> come with x years' subscription and after that you don't get the >> information? > >The model I have, a 1000 live something has a SIM inside, and low speed >internet connection, I think with Orange, valid on most of Europe (even >before the agreement/regulation on no roaming costs in the EU). It needs So only works when within reach of a tower (the jam information at least). OK, so when not in reach of a tower you _probably_ aren't going to encounter jams (though maybe more likely to find the road washed away or a bridge out or similar?). >a yearly subscription, I don't remember the price. 50€/year? I don't think I'd forget a 50-a-year subscription. We're all different! > >Other models can connect to a phone instead. Possibly at the time I >bought this TomTom I did not have a phone with data plan. > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Who is Art, and why does life imitate him?
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 19:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: navigation |
| Message-ID | <g4bf0sFtrahU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57172 |
On 05/11/2018 15.47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <g4b331Fr7p0U1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>> On 05/11/2018 11.29, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> In message <f9i5bf-n7t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> []
>>>> TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and
>>>> speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is a
>>>> jam. But a percent has to get caught.
>>>>
>>>> If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam
>>>> info
>>>> either. You have to contribute ;-)
>>>>
>>> What network do they pass this information over (in both directions)?
>>> Presumably you have to pay at least an annual subscription, or do they
>>> come with x years' subscription and after that you don't get the
>>> information?
>>
>> The model I have, a 1000 live something has a SIM inside, and low speed
>> internet connection, I think with Orange, valid on most of Europe (even
>> before the agreement/regulation on no roaming costs in the EU). It needs
>
> So only works when within reach of a tower (the jam information at
> least). OK, so when not in reach of a tower you _probably_ aren't going
> to encounter jams (though maybe more likely to find the road washed away
> or a bridge out or similar?).
Correct. But tower coverage in Spain is well over 90%, so not a frequent
issue.
What is indeed an issue is the quality of the service: not good. For
example, I passed a road today that is marked "on repair", but the
repairs finished before summer. I reported this, they did nothing. They
typically take two years to act on report of map errors, even four. But
even for things that are loaded dynamically every time we power up the
device, like job repairs, they take months.
A road on on repair that theoretically causes delays makes the device to
try to detour if possible.
>
>> a yearly subscription, I don't remember the price. 50€/year?
>
> I don't think I'd forget a 50-a-year subscription. We're all different!
Fish memory, they say ;-)
I can find out.
Map updates 1 year and ½year offer, 33€.
Last Live update, 49.95€. That was on 2017, I can't find this year
receipt; but the search mail feature in this laptop is not working right.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 09:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: navigation |
| Message-ID | <prprf0$1a56$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #57169 |
On 11/5/2018 7:40 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > The model [GPS] I have, a 1000 live something has a SIM inside, and > low speed internet connection Some years back I had an Amazon Kindle with a 'free' low speed cell service powered Internet connection. It also had a real physical keyboard. Besides downloading and updating ebooks it had a web browser that took like 30 seconds to download a simple web page. My current Kindle Paperwhite no longer has the cell connection or keyboard but it still has that sloooooooow browser... ;)
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 13:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <prpbsp$drb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #57162 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > TomTom uses its own service. The gadgets sends current location and > speed; the server assesses conditions, and tells others if there is > a jam. But a percent has to get caught. > If you refuse to share your location/speed, then you do not get jam > info either. You have to contribute ;-) My older TomTom still provides me with jam information from RDS, without a need for mobile data and without having to tell TomTom where I am and how fast I drive. -p
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 11:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l3i5bf-g4t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #57130 |
On 04/11/2018 20.27, 123456789 wrote: > I always scope out the trips ahead of time. On a recent trip Google > tried to reroute me. I know the way better I thought and ran smack into > a freeway parking lot. Turns out Google knew about the upcoming jam and > was trying to save me some time. So now I take Google's advice...that is > unless it looks like I'm entering a forest road... My TomTom also does that to me, but usually says that it has found a faster route, should we take it. On major cities it works well. The problem is that it also takes "shortcuts" via bad roads which of course do not save any time. These things seem to not know the real quality of the roads. There should be an option to "keep to the main roads" or "avoid bad quality roads". Quality as tarmac condition, mountain road, narrow road, etc. It only knows about some earth roads. Now, about using the phone instead of a dedicated gps device - the later seats better on the dashboard. Now, if they sold some dedicated small tablet for car navigation, that would be very interesting. -- Cheers, Carlos.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 10:34 +0000 |
| Subject | navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) |
| Message-ID | <5N++EsNvyB4bFwAa@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #57161 |
In message <l3i5bf-g4t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: [] >The problem is that it also takes "shortcuts" via bad roads which of >course do not save any time. > >These things seem to not know the real quality of the roads. There >should be an option to "keep to the main roads" or "avoid bad quality >roads". Both the - cheap, passive only (use the maps they came with) - SatNav devices I've had have had two planning options: one to avoid tolls, and one to stick to only major roads (I forget the exact phrasing). [] >Now, about using the phone instead of a dedicated gps device - the later >seats better on the dashboard. Now, if they sold some dedicated small >tablet for car navigation, that would be very interesting. > (-: I have - only once! - seen someone carrying and using a car one when on foot (it was a tourist in London). I don't think mine would be much use like that because of the very limited battery capacity (especially after some years). > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ... social media's tendency to knock on front doors and run away. Andrew Collins, RT 2017/8/5-11
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 15:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: navigation (was: Re: Are Android Tablets Really Dead?) |
| Message-ID | <g4b3moFrc4jU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57165 |
On 05/11/2018 11.34, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <l3i5bf-g4t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
> []
>> The problem is that it also takes "shortcuts" via bad roads which of
>> course do not save any time.
>>
>> These things seem to not know the real quality of the roads. There
>> should be an option to "keep to the main roads" or "avoid bad quality
>> roads".
>
> Both the - cheap, passive only (use the maps they came with) - SatNav
> devices I've had have had two planning options: one to avoid tolls, and
> one to stick to only major roads (I forget the exact phrasing).
Yes, the TomTom can be set to avoid tolls. Or ask every time.
> []
>> Now, about using the phone instead of a dedicated gps device - the later
>> seats better on the dashboard. Now, if they sold some dedicated small
>> tablet for car navigation, that would be very interesting.
>>
> (-: I have - only once! - seen someone carrying and using a car one when
> on foot (it was a tourist in London). I don't think mine would be much
> use like that because of the very limited battery capacity (especially
> after some years).
I have done that, yes :-)
Years ago, when I did not have a smartphone, and the battery was young.
Maybe it was with the previous unit, that got stolen (2009?). This year
I had to replace the battery, it would not last 5 seconds. Even updating
the maps was close to impossible, it would not connect (usb cable to
computer). I don't know how many years it will last... I would hate to
open the thing again, the insides are very delicate. And the outer glass
is cracked, it fell to the floor once. I put small drops of glass
specific glue on the cracks, and along it goes... I hate spending money
if I can avoid it ;-)
The thing is on the sun for hours, just on the dash. Not good for the
battery, it gets too warm. I put something there to avoid direct sun on
it, but still... it does get hot. My car doesn't have free space for
gadgets.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 09:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <prprf2$1a56$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #57161 |
On 11/5/2018 3:20 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > about using the phone instead of a dedicated gps device - the later > seats better on the dashboard. Now, if they sold some dedicated small > tablet for car navigation, that would be very interesting. If both my vehicles didn't already have dashboard displays I think I would mount a tablet. The phone is just too small (and dangerous?) to be squinting at when driving (IMO). But these days with TALKING phones I usually find it unnecessary to even glance much at the dashboard screen much less the phone's screen. I usually carry it in my shirt pocket so hearing's no problem. (And if it were the phone's audio can be piped into the car speakers by Bluetooth or direct USB connection.) Google (and Siri) even warn about which lane to be in for an upcoming maneuver. Amazing (to me anyway). A long way from the paper flip-over AAA Trip Tics I used to use some years back. Did they have those in Europe? With AAA standing for AMERICAN Automobile Association I suppose not...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 19:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <g4bg10Fu3aqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57177 |
On 05/11/2018 17.34, 123456789 wrote:
> On 11/5/2018 3:20 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> about using the phone instead of a dedicated gps device - the later
>> seats better on the dashboard. Now, if they sold some dedicated small
>> tablet for car navigation, that would be very interesting.
>
> If both my vehicles didn't already have dashboard displays I think I
> would mount a tablet. The phone is just too small (and dangerous?) to be
> squinting at when driving (IMO).
>
> But these days with TALKING phones I usually find it unnecessary to even
> glance much at the dashboard screen much less the phone's screen. I
> usually carry it in my shirt pocket so hearing's no problem. (And if it
> were the phone's audio can be piped into the car speakers by Bluetooth
> or direct USB connection.)
I need glancing at the pictures, words are not enough for me. So if I
were to use a phone for navigation, I would place it on the dashboard
somehow. And I would prefer a dedicated phone or tablet for the purpose.
I also like features of the TomTom like telling me my exact speed, and
what is the current limit, in case I forget. Or how easy it is to place
on its dash-holder, with the cable for powering it up: instant. I hope
someone makes tablets designed for the dashboard.
>
> Google (and Siri) even warn about which lane to be in for an upcoming
> maneuver. Amazing (to me anyway). A long way from the paper flip-over
> AAA Trip Tics I used to use some years back. Did they have those in
> Europe? With AAA standing for AMERICAN Automobile Association I suppose
> not...
Paper maps? Mine was a book bound with a wire spiral. Each page was
folded in three zones. I still have the last one I bought several years
back.
Sometimes I would draw the important data of a trip on a paper and stick
it to the dashboard.
But I love some google features. Like we are crossing a village, and
someone in the car says: I want cigarettes. And beer. Where... just ask
google for the cigarette shop nearby ;-)
Can't ask TomTom that easily. And its voice control is awful.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 12:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <prq4kt$1rvj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #57185 |
On 11/5/2018 11:21 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 05/11/2018 17.34, 123456789 wrote: > if I were to use a phone for navigation, I would place it on the > dashboard somehow. There are base weighted and windshield suction type phone holders. But in my desert climate leaving any electronics on the dash in direct sunlight for any length of time can and usually does cause damage. YMMV. In the summer here it's wise to not even leave electronics in the car as inside temperatures can go well over 150F. >> A long way from the paper flip-over AAA Trip Tics I used to use >> some years back. > Paper maps? Mine was a book bound with a wire spiral. Each page was > folded in three zones. I still have the last one I bought several > years back. You supplied AAA with start and end info. Within a week or so the stuff arrived in the snail mail. It was paper maps with the route blacked in. Also there was a spiral bound tablet with only the route from the top of the page to the bottom of the page. You could lay it near you and flip the pages as you went, so you didn't have to unfold the map while driving. In the coincidence department, I have an email service from the US Post Office that sends me photos of the mail that will arrive later today. I just checked moments ago and I have mail from AAA. It says on the front "We want you back!". Do they monitor Usenet?? > But I love some google features. Like we are crossing a village, and > someone in the car says: I want cigarettes. And beer. Where... just > ask google for the cigarette shop nearby ;-) Yes. Very handy...
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 20:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <g4bjdbFc5bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57192 |
On 05/11/2018 20.11, 123456789 wrote:
> On 11/5/2018 11:21 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 05/11/2018 17.34, 123456789 wrote:
>
>> if I were to use a phone for navigation, I would place it on the
>> dashboard somehow.
>
> There are base weighted and windshield suction type phone holders. But
> in my desert climate leaving any electronics on the dash in direct
> sunlight for any length of time can and usually does cause damage. YMMV.
>
> In the summer here it's wise to not even leave electronics in the car as
> inside temperatures can go well over 150F.
That's an issue here, too. 35ºC by the sea, several more inland. The
problem are batteries, the rest is more resilient.
>
>>> A long way from the paper flip-over AAA Trip Tics I used to use some
>>> years back.
>
>> Paper maps? Mine was a book bound with a wire spiral. Each page was
>> folded in three zones. I still have the last one I bought several
>> years back.
>
> You supplied AAA with start and end info. Within a week or so the stuff
> arrived in the snail mail. It was paper maps with the route blacked in.
Cute. No, I have not seen that. I don't think they existed here.
> Also there was a spiral bound tablet with only the route from the top of
> the page to the bottom of the page. You could lay it near you and flip
> the pages as you went, so you didn't have to unfold the map while driving.
Cute.
>
> In the coincidence department, I have an email service from the US Post
> Office that sends me photos of the mail that will arrive later today. I
> just checked moments ago and I have mail from AAA. It says on the front
> "We want you back!". Do they monitor Usenet??
LOL.
>
>> But I love some google features. Like we are crossing a village, and
>> someone in the car says: I want cigarettes. And beer. Where... just
>> ask google for the cigarette shop nearby ;-)
>
> Yes. Very handy...
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 14:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051120181416063454%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #57185 |
In article <g4bg10Fu3aqU1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > I also like features of the TomTom like telling me my exact speed, and > what is the current limit, in case I forget. that's what the speedometer on the dashboard and the road signs on the streets & highways are for. if you need a device to tell you either of those and certainly both, you should not be driving on public roads.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 20:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <g4bjvdFgrhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57198 |
On 05/11/2018 19.16, nospam wrote:
> In article <g4bg10Fu3aqU1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I also like features of the TomTom like telling me my exact speed, and
>> what is the current limit, in case I forget.
>
> that's what the speedometer on the dashboard and the road signs on the
> streets & highways are for.
Speedometers here are calibrated some 5 Km/h over the real speed.
>
> if you need a device to tell you either of those and certainly both,
> you should not be driving on public roads.
>
Tell that to BMW and others. They have a camera trained on the road and
a computer display on the dashboard with the last few signs displayed.
Some cars have a HUD.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051120181455345517%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #57204 |
In article <g4bjvdFgrhU1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> I also like features of the TomTom like telling me my exact speed, and > >> what is the current limit, in case I forget. > > > > that's what the speedometer on the dashboard and the road signs on the > > streets & highways are for. > > Speedometers here are calibrated some 5 Km/h over the real speed. so what? that's actually a good thing. you think you're driving over the psl, but you actually aren't. > > if you need a device to tell you either of those and certainly both, > > you should not be driving on public roads. > > Tell that to BMW and others. They have a camera trained on the road and > a computer display on the dashboard with the last few signs displayed. > Some cars have a HUD. that's the early stages of autonomy. soon, the vehicle will recognize and take action based on that. it's also not the same as a human driver relying on a gps device to know what the signs say. anyone who can't see the signs unaided (other than eyeglasses) and understand what they mean should not be driving.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <H8bhY9k4YK4bFw18@255soft.uk> |
| In reply to | #57211 |
In message <051120181455345517%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes: >In article <g4bjvdFgrhU1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R. ><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> >> I also like features of the TomTom like telling me my exact speed, and >> >> what is the current limit, in case I forget. >> > >> > that's what the speedometer on the dashboard and the road signs on the >> > streets & highways are for. >> >> Speedometers here are calibrated some 5 Km/h over the real speed. > >so what? > >that's actually a good thing. you think you're driving over the psl, >but you actually aren't. > >> > if you need a device to tell you either of those and certainly both, >> > you should not be driving on public roads. >> >> Tell that to BMW and others. They have a camera trained on the road and >> a computer display on the dashboard with the last few signs displayed. >> Some cars have a HUD. > >that's the early stages of autonomy. soon, the vehicle will recognize >and take action based on that. > >it's also not the same as a human driver relying on a gps device to >know what the signs say. anyone who can't see the signs unaided (other >than eyeglasses) and understand what they mean should not be driving. You are seeing a binary situation; real life is not as black-and-white. No, not _relying_ on the GPS, but you can have a momentary lapse of concentration - or, if you don't accept that, a lorry can obscure your view of the limit sign as you pass it. In those circumstances, I'd not object at all to my SatNav telling me I'm over the limit. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely. - Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <051120181544392254%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #57215 |
In article <H8bhY9k4YK4bFw18@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote: > >> > if you need a device to tell you either of those and certainly both, > >> > you should not be driving on public roads. > >> > >> Tell that to BMW and others. They have a camera trained on the road and > >> a computer display on the dashboard with the last few signs displayed. > >> Some cars have a HUD. > > > >that's the early stages of autonomy. soon, the vehicle will recognize > >and take action based on that. > > > >it's also not the same as a human driver relying on a gps device to > >know what the signs say. anyone who can't see the signs unaided (other > >than eyeglasses) and understand what they mean should not be driving. > > You are seeing a binary situation; real life is not as black-and-white. > No, not _relying_ on the GPS, but you can have a momentary lapse of > concentration - or, if you don't accept that, a lorry can obscure your > view of the limit sign as you pass it. it should be visible well before anything obscures it, but regardless, it's not going to suddenly change by a large amount, and if it does, other vehicles will adjust accordingly. > In those circumstances, I'd not > object at all to my SatNav telling me I'm over the limit. the majority of drivers drive over psl at some point in every trip (usually very often since psl is usually underposted for increased ticket revenue), and frequent alerts can get very annoying.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 5 of 6 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | comp.mobile.android
csiph-web