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  Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 13:19 -0800
    Re: Endless wrangling VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-07 16:47 -0600
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 15:42 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 15:56 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 16:14 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:43 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:42 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 15:33 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 07:41 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 16:38 +0100
                  Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:58 -0700
              Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 09:53 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-08 12:04 -0700
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 14:23 -0700
                  Re: Endless wrangling philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-10 13:37 -0600
                    Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:48 -0700
                      Re: Endless wrangling philo@novabbs.i2p (philo) - 2021-01-10 21:10 +0000
                        Re: Endless wrangling Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-11 06:51 -0700
                          Re: Endless wrangling philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2021-01-11 08:04 -0600
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:40 +0100
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 16:00 -0700
                Re: Endless wrangling Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-08 22:38 +0000
                  Re: Endless wrangling AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-08 16:21 -0700
              Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 09:22 -0800
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:47 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:39 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-07 23:42 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-08 08:10 +0100
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 23:22 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-08 08:23 -0500
        Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:37 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2021-01-08 13:13 -0700
    Re: Endless wrangling Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 14:33 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 11:20 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 11:03 +0000
          Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 10:41 -0800
    Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 09:08 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 13:31 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 22:54 +0100
          Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 14:04 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-08 23:20 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-11 16:34 +0000
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-11 23:25 +0100
          Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 15:47 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:31 +0000
            Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-09 08:57 -0800
              Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 21:15 +0000
              Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-09 23:36 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 20:52 -0800
                Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-10 12:36 +0100
            Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-10 09:36 +0100
              Re: Endless wrangling Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 06:39 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:22 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-08 12:48 -0800
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 20:37 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-08 23:55 -0600
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 06:44 +0000
        Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-09 08:45 -0800
          Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 21:20 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 01:29 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 03:34 +0000
      Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 21:37 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-09 06:46 +0000
    Re: Endless wrangling "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-11 21:51 +0100
      Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-11 14:05 -0800
        Re: Endless wrangling "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-11 23:26 +0100
        Re: Endless wrangling Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 03:47 +0100
        Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 13:19 +0000
          Re: Endless wrangling sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-12 08:27 -0800
            Re: Endless wrangling Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 19:02 +0000
            Re: Endless wrangling The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 20:24 -0800

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#73208

On 1/8/2021 2:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 08/01/2021 17.53, AJL wrote:

>> Filter? IMO it's much easier to just not open an known troll's
>> posts if they truly offend you. However as mentioned elsewhere
>> sometimes there's good info to be found in these posts. And if
>> nothing else there's always the entertainment value. But YMMV.
>
> Depends on the particular troll. On most of them I simply tag the
> message with a different colour (and tag name) that warns me. But on
> very bad trolls I kill the subthread. Improves the peace.

Troll is an interesting word. I see lots of gripes about certain posters
by other posters. And then there are the counter gripes going right
back. Each of course calls the other a troll. So will the real troll
please stand up. Hmmm, I don't see anyone standing.

Wikipedia says a troll is a person who starts flame wars or
intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and
digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages.

Did that definition really say trolls post off-topic messages? And this
is an Android newsgroup? Oh my.

Bottom line (my guess). Many people who filter likely filter those that
they just don't like. Or perhaps more likely just say they filter them
and still sneak a peek since they often are soon caught posting to or
about the so called filtered troll.

I don't have any trouble remembering those I don't like so it would be
pretty easy to just not open them. But where's the fun in that. It's
kinda like reading only the good parts of a newspaper.

And using a TB newsreader makes it very easy to do that if one wanted
to. However as I said several 100 words up, YMMV.

BTW it is difficult to do that using the Groundhog (Android) newsreader.
Does that sentence now make my post on-topic? Whew.

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#73207

In comp.mobile.android, AJL  <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 1/8/2021 7:33 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Can't you just kill those names? In Thunderbird you can easily add a
>>  filter that kills a name and every reply.

Let's say I were interested in joining this ski group today. I could
open it up in my newsreader, and see a lot of traffic and think "Oh,
active, nice!" And then I could start reading and realize there is very
little (if any) actual traffic.

The easiest thing to do at that point is unsubscribe, because it's a
toxic place. That's the reality of it and how newsgroups die from lack
of new blood.

It's not helped by different newsreaders offering different
sophistication levels of filtering. I can easily block all of "The
Doctor"'s posts in comp.* because he posts with a unique domain for his
message IDs. So junking those and any replies to those is simple in the
software I use. It's not easy to block just a selection of replies to
people posting from Google Groups, but I can block the original posters
when they rise to my attention.

> Filter? IMO it's much easier to just not open an known troll's posts if
> they truly offend you. However as mentioned elsewhere sometimes there's
> good info to be found in these posts. And if nothing else there's always
> the entertainment value. But YMMV.

You know what's easiest? Unsubscribe. When you find a place that bad, you
never know how know how much work it will be to identify the bad actors
and learn if they nymshift or the like.

> One thing I also find entertaining are the 'I'm gonna filter you'
> threats. Why tell the perp they're being filtered? Just do it.

It sends signals to others which might or might not be useful. I know
B1ackwater in comp.os.linux.misc has been named as someone people are
starting to plonk. I have not done that myself, but I see the messages
and know people who pay better attention to names than I do have started
to consider those posts trollish. (I'm still thinking "naive".)

> I actually enjoy the drama. Usenet is so human. YMMV. Carry on...

I hear there is a skiing group you may enjoy.

I, personally, have been making an effort in sci.electronics.design.
There's a lot of traffic there, from a lot of people. A large number
of them seem to think political topics are on topic. But it's not been
a lot of fun building that killfile and I feel like I need to update it
at least weekly.

 160    Subject header kill entries (to match threads or words)
   9    From header kill entries (to nuke the most noisesome posters)
   3    References header kill entries (to get followups to above)
   1    Xref header kill entry (to catch crossposts)

I have a much smaller killfile for rec.crafts.metalworking, but the
terrible posters there (are|were) much more likely to crosspost:

  70    Subject header kill entries (to match threads or words)
  10    Xref header kill entry (to catch crossposts)
   6    From header kill entries (to nuke the most noisesome posters)

I haven't needed to update that one in a while.

Elijah
------
the web readers have the worst killfile options

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#73209

On 1/8/2021 3:38 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, AJL  <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> Filter? IMO it's much easier to just not open an known troll's
>> posts if they truly offend you. However as mentioned elsewhere
>> sometimes there's good info to be found in these posts. And if
>> nothing else there's always the entertainment value. But YMMV.
>
> You know what's easiest? Unsubscribe. When you find a place that
> bad, you never know how know how much work it will be to identify the
> bad actors and learn if they nymshift or the like.

So far I've only unsubscribed because a newsgroup went dead. I'd much
rather have the NG alive even with some OT and/or trollish stuff.
BTW the best way to stop a perceived troll is for everyone
ignore him. But of course they never do (or can't).

>> One thing I also find entertaining are the 'I'm gonna filter you'
>> threats. Why tell the perp they're being filtered? Just do it.
>
> It sends signals to others which might or might not be useful. I know
> B1ackwater in comp.os.linux.misc has been named as someone people are
> starting to plonk.

Yep. I chuckle at folks broadcasting their plonks. Then of course a few
days later they're back commenting on the perceived troll's posts.

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#73190

On 1/8/2021 6:33 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Can't you just kill those names? In Thunderbird you can easily add a
> filter that kills a name and every reply. As long as those people do not
> change names, it is easy.

No point, in many groups, as nearly everyone that had real content to 
post has left. There are some ba. groups like that. But amusingly, if 
you go look at those groups, there are still one or two people endlessly 
posting bizarre stuff, and thousands of posts, even though everyone else 
left years ago <https://groups.google.com/g/ba.broadcast>.

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#73203

On 08/01/2021 18.22, sms wrote:
> On 1/8/2021 6:33 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Can't you just kill those names? In Thunderbird you can easily add a
>> filter that kills a name and every reply. As long as those people do not
>> change names, it is easy.
> 
> No point, in many groups, as nearly everyone that had real content to
> post has left. There are some ba. groups like that. But amusingly, if
> you go look at those groups, there are still one or two people endlessly
> posting bizarre stuff, and thousands of posts, even though everyone else
> left years ago <https://groups.google.com/g/ba.broadcast>.

That happens.


There is one group I added recently, rec.arts.tv, where they supposedly
would talk about TV programs, but most of it is about USA-ian politics.
I have some filter rules that remove a lot of it, but the first thing I
do when I open it is manually kill many threads, so that the usable one
remains. And on those, there is still content about TV :-)


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73196

On 01/08/2021 06:33 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 08/01/2021 07.42, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/07/2021 03:56 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2021 3:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dead is dead.  The one I really liked has become a flame-fest between
>>>> two people who have been at it since 1999.  That used to be just a
>>>> subset;  now it's the whole thing.
>>>
>>> The ski group? I haven't been there in awhile.
>>
>> 2Buddha and Horvath.  Occasionally someone posts something vaguely
>> ski-related, but not often.  The real people moved to facebook or
>> disappeared or died.
>
> Can't you just kill those names? In Thunderbird you can easily add a
> filter that kills a name and every reply. As long as those people do not
> change names, it is easy.

Sure, EVERYBODY knows that.  I killed 2Buddha, but Horvie occasionally 
says something clever.  Some things have sentimental value far beyond 
any hope of actual utility.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when
     you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
     you're a madman."                                 --Futurama

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#73169

In comp.mobile.android, VanguardLH  <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further 
>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of 
>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.

I mark most of the traffic in this group as 'read' without even looking
at it. There's so much noise finding signal is difficult.

> They didn't disappear.  You chose to cease subscribing to them,

It doesn't matter if I stay subscribed, when everyone else has left, the
group effectively disappears. I remember when r.h.o.d was a good social
group. Now if I post and get a reply the same calendar year it's
noteworthy.

Look at comp.unix.aux. Whole years go by without posts. There are two
posts from November 2020 on my server, one of which was a follow-up to
a post from March 2019. A/UX was my first Unix, and comp.unix.aux
posts by Alexis Rosen is how I found my ISP: Panix was A/UX based in
the earlier 1990s. I'm still using Panix for mail and news via ssh
shell account 20+ years later.

Look at alt.sex.*. Spammed worse than any of the big-8 groups were, now
so dead. There was a soc.sexuality.general moderated group to replace
all that mess, I can't recall the last time someone posted there. I
don't think there were any in 2020 or 2019. So it sits quiet, dormant in
my .newsrc.

Elijah
------
(And some do disappear. rmgroups do happen.)

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#73175

Am 07.01.21 um 22:19 schrieb The Real Bev:
> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further 
> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of 
> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet 
> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course) 
> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.

These are Darwinistic processes. You can't change that without clear
rules that are enforced by independent moderators.
Happy new year btw!

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#73176

On 01/07/2021 11:10 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.01.21 um 22:19 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
>
> These are Darwinistic processes. You can't change that without clear
> rules that are enforced by independent moderators.

A lot of groups lasted for a long time.  Some are still alive -- mostly 
those providing some sort of technical discussion/support.

> Happy new year btw!

Likewise.  Maybe it will even happen!

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket."
                                              -- George Orwell

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#73177

"Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote

| These are Darwinistic processes. You can't change that without clear
| rules that are enforced by independent moderators.

  I don't think that's the problem. Usenet has existed for a
very long time. I still go to computer-related groups. It's
just people discussing. They do't need to be policed like
children.

  What's changed is the shift from citizen to consumer;
in the wider culture, generally, and as a profit strategy
in computing. People don't feel like citizens online. And
increasingly people are simply not raised to be considerate
adults.

   I go to Reddit for discussions I'm interested in. Not because
I like it but because it's busy. Why is it so busy? Because
people can up-vote and down-vote and win little cartoon
awards to festoon their posts. People can cry to
the moderators if they feel insulted. People can generally
be self-indulgent while being protected by the confines
of the playpen. It's not an adult discussion for most
of them. It's a child's gossip circle, where millennials and
gen-Zers talk about feeling "safe" in a "safe space", and
enact what they imagine community might be, had they
ever experienced anything like community.

  Compared to that, Usenet feels like crawling out of your
crib without a helmet. Too dangerous. And you don't get
any points for it!

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#73195

On 01/08/2021 05:23 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> "Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>
> | These are Darwinistic processes. You can't change that without clear
> | rules that are enforced by independent moderators.
>
>    I don't think that's the problem. Usenet has existed for a
> very long time. I still go to computer-related groups. It's
> just people discussing. They do't need to be policed like
> children.

I had thought that about this group.  Easy enough to recognize the crap 
and ignore it, but apparently some people find that difficult.  I 
confess I participated with gusto in a flame war long ago, but I grew 
out of it.

>    What's changed is the shift from citizen to consumer;
> in the wider culture, generally, and as a profit strategy
> in computing. People don't feel like citizens online. And
> increasingly people are simply not raised to be considerate
> adults.

Otherwise known as "dumbing down".  According to common knowledge now, 
it's probably Trump's fault.

>     I go to Reddit for discussions I'm interested in. Not because
> I like it but because it's busy. Why is it so busy? Because
> people can up-vote and down-vote and win little cartoon
> awards to festoon their posts. People can cry to
> the moderators if they feel insulted. People can generally
> be self-indulgent while being protected by the confines
> of the playpen. It's not an adult discussion for most
> of them. It's a child's gossip circle, where millennials and
> gen-Zers talk about feeling "safe" in a "safe space", and
> enact what they imagine community might be, had they
> ever experienced anything like community.

I wonder if there's an abrupt age cutoff.  My daughter says that my 
education was better than hers, which was in turn better than HER 
children's.  All California public schools, and her children lived in a 
far more affluent community than mine or hers.  I blame the unions for 
this.  For real.

>    Compared to that, Usenet feels like crawling out of your
> crib without a helmet. Too dangerous. And you don't get
> any points for it!

At some point people seem to have forgotten that "Sticks and stones may 
break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

I do miss the happy-face stickers, though...


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when
     you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
     you're a madman."                                 --Futurama

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#73197

Stay away from the political crap and I may not kill file you yet !


KenW

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#73180

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further 
> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of 
> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet 
> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course) 
> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.

Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it? I spend more time on reddit these days
as the SNR is far, far higher. The content is very similar if you can find
a suitable subreddit/group. 

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#73194

On 01/08/2021 06:33 AM, Chris wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
>
> Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it? I spend more time on reddit these days
> as the SNR is far, far higher. The content is very similar if you can find
> a suitable subreddit/group.

I've looked at reddit.  Too much white space.  Fora suck.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when
     you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
     you're a madman."                                 --Futurama

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#73266

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/08/2021 06:33 AM, Chris wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
>> 
>> Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it? I spend more time on reddit these days
>> as the SNR is far, far higher. The content is very similar if you can find
>> a suitable subreddit/group.
> 
> I've looked at reddit.  Too much white space.  Fora suck.

It's not a forum. The mobile app has very little white space. But it's
balance between managing trolls and the user experience. I find reddit is
better. YMMV. 

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#73282

On 01/10/2021 03:03 AM, Chris wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/08/2021 06:33 AM, Chris wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further
>>>> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of
>>>> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet
>>>> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course)
>>>> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.
>>>
>>> Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it? I spend more time on reddit these days
>>> as the SNR is far, far higher. The content is very similar if you can find
>>> a suitable subreddit/group.
>>
>> I've looked at reddit.  Too much white space.  Fora suck.
>
> It's not a forum. The mobile app has very little white space.

Attempting to read 'news' on a phone or tablet (even email is only just 
bearable) seems unpleasant.  "Text-heavy" seems like the only sane way 
to do it.

> But it's
> balance between managing trolls and the user experience. I find reddit is
> better. YMMV.

My son likes it.  I tried it.  Painful.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
   going  to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
                                                   -Elric of Imrryr

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#73189

On 1/7/2021 1:19 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> It would be really nice if we could all agree -- without further 
> discussion --  that some of us are good intelligent people and some of 
> are evil stupid people and just let it go at that.  I miss the usenet 
> groups that were killed by name-calling (among other things, of course) 
> and don't want to see any more of them disappear.

Reddit, for all of its faults, is quite useful due to the moderation 
which is gentle in some respects and strict in others.

Howard Forums has become useless. You have people with specific agendas 
acting as moderators. If someone posts something that a cheerleader 
doesn't like they get banned, either temporarily or permanently, and 
have to create a new account with a different name if they want to 
continue to post, but more often they'll just leave.

That said, with some judicious filtering, Usenet still has some useful 
content. I have 18 filter rules on comp.mobile.android and could 
probably remove most of them since a lot of the problem posters have 
left. Really only three or four problem people that post incessantly, 
and only one that constantly nym-shifts.

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#73201

On 1/8/2021 9:08 AM, sms wrote:

<snip>

> That said, with some judicious filtering, Usenet still has some useful 
> content. I have 18 filter rules on comp.mobile.android and could 
> probably remove most of them since a lot of the problem posters have 
> left. Really only three or four problem people that post incessantly, 
> and only one that constantly nym-shifts.

The four filter rules that make this newsgroup useful and readable are:

 From is: jollyroger@pobox.com ("Jolly Roger")
 From is: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies ("Lewis")
 From contains: arlen ("Arlen Holder")
 From is: nospam@nospam.invalid ("nospam")

This is for Thunderbird, I'm sure on Forte Agent, and whatever other 
newsreaders are being used, the rules would be similar.

These rules cover the four posters that post the vast majority of the 
incorrect information, and are the most obnoxious. Sometimes "Arlen's" 
nym shifting requires additional rules. I have some other rules that are 
still active but I don't think have any effect any more.

There was a newsgroup reader that downloaded not just the headers, but 
the message content as well, so you could filter out posts that were 
responses to the trolls' posts, but without filtering out the responder 
completely. But it took a lot of time to download the messages and not 
just the headers.

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#73204

On 08/01/2021 22.31, sms wrote:
> On 1/8/2021 9:08 AM, sms wrote:
> 
> <snip>


> There was a newsgroup reader that downloaded not just the headers, but
> the message content as well, so you could filter out posts that were
> responses to the trolls' posts, but without filtering out the responder
> completely. But it took a lot of time to download the messages and not
> just the headers.

Thunderbird can kill all the responses without downloading the full
message. It is called "kill subthread".

I have set up my Thunderbird to not cache contents, because I use an
nntp proxy server that does the caching.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73205

On 1/8/2021 1:54 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 08/01/2021 22.31, sms wrote:
>> On 1/8/2021 9:08 AM, sms wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
> 
> 
>> There was a newsgroup reader that downloaded not just the headers, but
>> the message content as well, so you could filter out posts that were
>> responses to the trolls' posts, but without filtering out the responder
>> completely. But it took a lot of time to download the messages and not
>> just the headers.
> 
> Thunderbird can kill all the responses without downloading the full
> message. It is called "kill subthread".
> 
> I have set up my Thunderbird to not cache contents, because I use an
> nntp proxy server that does the caching.

But you often don't want to kill the whole sub-thread. You just want 
delete responses to the trolls, not all responses.

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