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  Handling phone loss Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-03 10:32 +0100
    Re: Handling phone loss Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-03 10:49 +0100
      Re: Handling phone loss "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:25 +0200
    Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-03 09:58 +0000
      Re: Handling phone loss Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:27 +0100
      Re: Handling phone loss Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-03 11:48 +0100
        Re: Handling phone loss Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-09-03 13:49 +0000
          Re: Handling phone loss chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:31 +0100
            Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-03 17:44 +0000
              Re: Handling phone loss chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:04 +0100
                Re: Handling phone loss Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-04 12:52 +0100
                  Re: Handling phone loss "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 15:29 +0100
                    Re: Handling phone loss andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-09-05 18:31 +0000
                      Re: Handling phone loss Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-09-06 17:02 +0200
                        Re: Handling phone loss "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 14:24 -0700
                          Re: Handling phone loss chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:47 +0100
                            Re: Handling phone loss The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:05 -0700
                  Re: Handling phone loss chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:20 +0100
                  Re: Handling phone loss Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 23:12 +0100
              Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-04 19:34 +0000
                Re: Handling phone loss Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-04 20:44 +0100
                  Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-05 16:02 +0000
                Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-04 20:22 +0000
                  Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-05 16:04 +0000
                    Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-05 18:53 +0000
                      Re: Handling phone loss BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2015-09-05 20:57 +0200
                      Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 12:27 +0000
                        Re: Handling phone loss Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 14:00 +0100
                          Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 15:26 +0000
                            Re: Handling phone loss Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 16:46 +0100
                        Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-06 13:25 +0000
                          Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-06 14:36 +0000
                            Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 15:21 +0000
                              Re: Handling phone loss David Taylor <davidt-news11@yadt.co.uk> - 2015-09-08 09:00 +0000
                                Re: Handling phone loss Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-08 10:00 +0000
                                Re: Handling phone loss Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-08 20:41 +0100
                        Re: Handling phone loss The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 12:44 -0700
                          Re: Handling phone loss Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-09-06 20:25 +0000
                            Re: Handling phone loss The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 22:41 -0700
            Re: Handling phone loss "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:29 +0200
          Re: Handling phone loss "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:27 +0200
      Re: Handling phone loss F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-07 09:47 +1000
        Re: Handling phone loss Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-07 08:37 +0100
        Re: Handling phone loss Albert Hirsch <doc@treadstone.net> - 2015-09-07 10:17 -0400
        Re: Handling phone loss "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-09-07 22:24 +0200
    Re: Handling phone loss chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:37 +0100

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#22240 — Handling phone loss

I have a Moto G second edition with Android 5.002. (Lollipop?)
Yesterday I lost it.
The loss was reported to my home, before I noticed it.
We wrote a thank you card, I enclosed a small reward, and my wife
retrieved the 'phone.

There is no password on my 'phone - I see no point in setting it up so a
finder has no easy way to return the 'phone.

My supplier has barred expensive calls - I must check that works.
I have 2500 call minutes and unlimited SMS (text) messages in my monthly
tariff.
My supplier can't cap data downloads. My monthly budget is 1GB.
I have Settings/Data usage/Set mobile data limit set.
That can easily be changed by anyone with criminal intent.
Is it possible to add a password to a specific control?

Can anyone suggest security improvements?
I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
-- 
Walter Briscoe

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#22241

Walter Briscoe wrote:

> There is no password on my 'phone - I see no point in setting it up so a
> finder has no easy way to return the 'phone.

Under Settings, Security (unless Motorola have altered it from plain 
android) there is an option to display owner info on the lock screen, so 
you can have security and a convenient way to provide information to a 
finder.

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#22252

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:49:39 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Under Settings, Security (unless Motorola have altered it from plain 
> android) there is an option to display owner info on the lock screen, so 
> you can have security and a convenient way to provide information to a 
> finder.

I have the same thing on my Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini. I added my name,
address and a phone number. Yesterday, I was fooling around a bit with a
Huawei Ascend (Y550-L01) and it offered the same option.

If the phone isn't locked and you loose it then you could be in for an
expensive phone bill (that is, if you to take too long to block your
SIM).

-- 
s|b

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#22242

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:32:47 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:

> I have a Moto G second edition with Android 5.002. (Lollipop?) Yesterday
> I lost it.
> The loss was reported to my home, before I noticed it.
> We wrote a thank you card, I enclosed a small reward, and my wife
> retrieved the 'phone.
> 
> There is no password on my 'phone - I see no point in setting it up so a
> finder has no easy way to return the 'phone.
> 
> My supplier has barred expensive calls - I must check that works.
> I have 2500 call minutes and unlimited SMS (text) messages in my monthly
> tariff.
> My supplier can't cap data downloads. My monthly budget is 1GB.
> I have Settings/Data usage/Set mobile data limit set.
> That can easily be changed by anyone with criminal intent.
> Is it possible to add a password to a specific control?
> 
> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)

As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.

Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/

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#22243

On 9/3/2015 10:58 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:32:47 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>> I have a Moto G second edition with Android 5.002. (Lollipop?) Yesterday
>> I lost it.
>> The loss was reported to my home, before I noticed it.
>> We wrote a thank you card, I enclosed a small reward, and my wife
>> retrieved the 'phone.
>>
>> There is no password on my 'phone - I see no point in setting it up so a
>> finder has no easy way to return the 'phone.
>>
>> My supplier has barred expensive calls - I must check that works.
>> I have 2500 call minutes and unlimited SMS (text) messages in my monthly
>> tariff.
>> My supplier can't cap data downloads. My monthly budget is 1GB.
>> I have Settings/Data usage/Set mobile data limit set.
>> That can easily be changed by anyone with criminal intent.
>> Is it possible to add a password to a specific control?
>>
>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>
> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>
> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>
Indeed - almost all phones now have this as an option.

I'd also suggest never relying on operator driven caps - there can be 
delays before they kick in which with the wrong kind of calls or access 
can be incredibly expensive (although if you have set a cap the operator 
almost certainly will refund you).

Furthermore, I'd also suggest using uk.telecom.mobile as that is 
specifically for mobile queries as opposed to uk.telecom which is more 
fixed line focused.

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#22244

In message <d4qjv2Fdu0iU33@mid.individual.net> of Thu, 3 Sep 2015
09:58:58 in uk.telecom, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes
>On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:32:47 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>> I have a Moto G second edition with Android 5.002. (Lollipop?) Yesterday
>> I lost it.
>> The loss was reported to my home, before I noticed it.
>> We wrote a thank you card, I enclosed a small reward, and my wife
>> retrieved the 'phone.
>>
>> There is no password on my 'phone - I see no point in setting it up so a
>> finder has no easy way to return the 'phone.
>>
>> My supplier has barred expensive calls - I must check that works.
>> I have 2500 call minutes and unlimited SMS (text) messages in my monthly
>> tariff.
>> My supplier can't cap data downloads. My monthly budget is 1GB.
>> I have Settings/Data usage/Set mobile data limit set.
>> That can easily be changed by anyone with criminal intent.
>> Is it possible to add a password to a specific control?
>>
>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>
>As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>
>Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/

Thanks, Andy and Bob.
I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
I will defer preyproject for now.
-- 
Walter Briscoe

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#22245

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:

>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>
>>As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>
>>Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
> 
> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
> I will defer preyproject for now.

Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
Add an entry there.

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#22247

On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>
>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>
>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>
>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>
> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
> Add an entry there.

That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do 
something similar.

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#22251

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:31:15 +0100, chris wrote:

> On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>
>>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>>
>>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>>
>>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>>
>> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
>> Add an entry there.
> 
> That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do
> something similar.

It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has 
that facility.

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#22255

On 03/09/2015 18:44, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:31:15 +0100, chris wrote:
>
>> On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>>>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>>>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>>>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>>>
>>> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
>>> Add an entry there.
>>
>> That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do
>> something similar.
>
> It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has
> that facility.

Oh good! That is a feature that should have always been stock Android.

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#22256

In message <msbj6f$9uu$1@dont-email.me> of Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:04:16 in
comp.mobile.android, chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> writes
>On 03/09/2015 18:44, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:31:15 +0100, chris wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>>>>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>>>>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>>>>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>>>>
>>>> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
>>>> Add an entry there.
>>>
>>> That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do
>>> something similar.
>>
>> It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has
>> that facility.
>
>Oh good! That is a feature that should have always been stock Android.
>
I now use a pin for security.
On the pin input screen, there is an 'Emergency call' field.
Clicking that transfers control to an 'Emergency dialler' screen.
Entering my home landline number there gives:
"Emergency call

Call not sent. $HOME is not an
emergency number. To make an
emergency call, dial a valid
emergency number such as 112."

I googled and infer that emergency call number recognition is a
sim/network facility, rather than a facility of the 'phone.
I read 5 year old suggestions that it should be possible to mark
contacts as ICE (In Case of Emergency.)

It seems that http://www.appventive.com/ice sidesteps this restriction.

I know nothing, but will happily take information.;)
-- 
Walter Briscoe

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#22258

Mobiles work differently to landline phones when handling emergency 
calls.

If you dial one of the emergency numbers - 112 or 999 (or even I 
suspect 911 or 17 or 18) - the mobile does not (usually) dial a number 
but rather sends a call request with a specific data flag set. The 
infrastructure recognises the flag and connects to an emergency 
operator. This is why it is still possible to generate an emergency 
call even when there is no SIM in the phone - the phone will just find 
a system with a good signal and establish the emergency.



-- 
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com 

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#22271

In article <msc9oo$q4$1@dont-email.me>,
	"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> writes:
> Mobiles work differently to landline phones when handling emergency 
> calls.
> 
> If you dial one of the emergency numbers - 112 or 999 (or even I 
> suspect 911 or 17 or 18) - the mobile does not (usually) dial a number 
> but rather sends a call request with a specific data flag set. The 
> infrastructure recognises the flag and connects to an emergency 
> operator. This is why it is still possible to generate an emergency 
> call even when there is no SIM in the phone - the phone will just find 
> a system with a good signal and establish the emergency.

However, no UK network will accept an emergency call from a mobile
without a SIM. They didn't want people buying SIM-less mobiles just
to make emergency calls, because it would generate a lot of such
calls which are not emergencies, if that's the only number you can
call (and probably also because they would lose out on potential
contract revenue).

However, it will allow you to make an emergency call using a network
which you can't normally register on (providing you have a SIM
installed), and the network will drop another call if that's necessary
to get your emergency call connected.

-- 
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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#22281

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> However, no UK network will accept an emergency call from a mobile
> without a SIM. They didn't want people buying SIM-less mobiles just
> to make emergency calls, because it would generate a lot of such
> calls which are not emergencies,

Originally they did allow just that and old manuals explicitly said so.
But too many idiots abused the possibility just to test used phones,
they had to stop it. The real problem is that at least in Germany, not
any SIM will do, it has to be a valid one. Most vendors of prepaid cards
demand a minimum of action and break the card if not used for typically
three months. Many old people have bought a phone just for emergencies,
charged up the prepaid card once, and then never used it. (They do keep
the battery charged.) Should an emergency occur all their phones will be
duds. Those predpaid vendors willingly accept the death of helpless
people just to increase their profits.

Axel

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#22287

Axel Berger wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> However, no UK network will accept an emergency call from a mobile
>> without a SIM. They didn't want people buying SIM-less mobiles just
>> to make emergency calls, because it would generate a lot of such
>> calls which are not emergencies,
>
> Originally they did allow just that and old manuals explicitly said
> so. But too many idiots abused the possibility just to test used
> phones, they had to stop it. The real problem is that at least in
> Germany, not any SIM will do, it has to be a valid one. Most vendors
> of prepaid cards demand a minimum of action and break the card if not
> used for typically three months. Many old people have bought a phone
> just for emergencies, charged up the prepaid card once, and then
> never used it. (They do keep the battery charged.) Should an
> emergency occur all their phones will be duds. Those predpaid vendors
> willingly accept the death of helpless people just to increase their
> profits.

It isn't that way in the USA. 

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#22296

On 06/09/2015 22:24, Bob F wrote:
> Axel Berger wrote:
>> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>> However, no UK network will accept an emergency call from a mobile
>>> without a SIM. They didn't want people buying SIM-less mobiles just
>>> to make emergency calls, because it would generate a lot of such
>>> calls which are not emergencies,
>>
>> Originally they did allow just that and old manuals explicitly said
>> so. But too many idiots abused the possibility just to test used
>> phones, they had to stop it. The real problem is that at least in
>> Germany, not any SIM will do, it has to be a valid one. Most vendors
>> of prepaid cards demand a minimum of action and break the card if not
>> used for typically three months. Many old people have bought a phone
>> just for emergencies, charged up the prepaid card once, and then
>> never used it. (They do keep the battery charged.) Should an
>> emergency occur all their phones will be duds. Those predpaid vendors
>> willingly accept the death of helpless people just to increase their
>> profits.
>
> It isn't that way in the USA.
>

No. People die in spectacularly violent ways over there...

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#22299

On 09/08/2015 01:47 AM, chris wrote:
> On 06/09/2015 22:24, Bob F wrote:
>> Axel Berger wrote:
>>> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>>> However, no UK network will accept an emergency call from a mobile
>>>> without a SIM. They didn't want people buying SIM-less mobiles just
>>>> to make emergency calls, because it would generate a lot of such
>>>> calls which are not emergencies,
>>>
>>> Originally they did allow just that and old manuals explicitly said
>>> so. But too many idiots abused the possibility just to test used
>>> phones, they had to stop it. The real problem is that at least in
>>> Germany, not any SIM will do, it has to be a valid one. Most vendors
>>> of prepaid cards demand a minimum of action and break the card if not
>>> used for typically three months. Many old people have bought a phone
>>> just for emergencies, charged up the prepaid card once, and then
>>> never used it. (They do keep the battery charged.) Should an
>>> emergency occur all their phones will be duds. Those predpaid vendors
>>> willingly accept the death of helpless people just to increase their
>>> profits.
>>
>> It isn't that way in the USA.
>
> No. People die in spectacularly violent ways over there...

But at least they can call 911 on their ancient Nokia flip-phones before 
they go.

We just sent one to our aunt, who had to crawl to the phone when she 
fell and broke her hip.  It's small and relatively bulletproof and she 
can wear it around her neck or keep it in a pocket.

T-Mobile doesn't offer their $10/year minutes-roll-ove prepaid plan any 
more, but I'm grandfathered in.  They should have pushed that plan for 
seniors who only need an emergency phone, but I guess they know best.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I would be most content if my children grew up to be the kind of people
  who think decorating consists mostly of building enough bookshelves."
                                                        -- Anna Quindlen

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#22259

On 04/09/2015 12:52, Walter Briscoe wrote:
> In message <msbj6f$9uu$1@dont-email.me> of Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:04:16 in
> comp.mobile.android, chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> writes
>> On 03/09/2015 18:44, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:31:15 +0100, chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>>>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>>>>>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>>>>>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>>>>>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
>>>>> Add an entry there.
>>>>
>>>> That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do
>>>> something similar.
>>>
>>> It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has
>>> that facility.
>>
>> Oh good! That is a feature that should have always been stock Android.
>>
> I now use a pin for security.
> On the pin input screen, there is an 'Emergency call' field.
> Clicking that transfers control to an 'Emergency dialler' screen.
> Entering my home landline number there gives:
> "Emergency call
>
> Call not sent. $HOME is not an
> emergency number. To make an
> emergency call, dial a valid
> emergency number such as 112."
>
> I googled and infer that emergency call number recognition is a
> sim/network facility, rather than a facility of the 'phone.
> I read 5 year old suggestions that it should be possible to mark
> contacts as ICE (In Case of Emergency.)
>
> It seems that http://www.appventive.com/ice sidesteps this restriction.
>
> I know nothing, but will happily take information.;)

Depending on your model of phone and/or version of android, on the 
emergency dialer you have the option of also dialing any ICE numbers you 
have pre-programmed in your contacts list. It is distinct from the 
'real' emergency numbers defined by your network/country.

It's a great feature and one I was only familiar with on Samsung phones. 
It now seems to be available on Sony's as well as newer (I presume?) 
versions of Android.

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#22265

On 04/09/2015 12:52, Walter Briscoe wrote:
> In message<msbj6f$9uu$1@dont-email.me>  of Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:04:16 in
> comp.mobile.android, chris<ithinkiam@gmail.com>  writes
>> On 03/09/2015 18:44, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:31:15 +0100, chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/09/2015 14:49, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:48:51 +0100, Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest security improvements?
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of an "if found" file on the home page.
>>>>>>>> I am also thinking of better trouser pockets. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Andy says, the lock screen can have some details on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also take a look at (for example): https://preyproject.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Andy and Bob.
>>>>>> I have added a password and "If found, please call $HOME".
>>>>>> Can I get the phone to set up such a call?
>>>>>> I will defer preyproject for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno about moto but my samsung has emergency contacts on lock screen.
>>>>> Add an entry there.
>>>>
>>>> That's unique to Samsung, sadly. But there are apps that can do
>>>> something similar.
>>>
>>> It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has
>>> that facility.
>>
>> Oh good! That is a feature that should have always been stock Android.
>>
> I now use a pin for security.
> On the pin input screen, there is an 'Emergency call' field.
> Clicking that transfers control to an 'Emergency dialler' screen.
> Entering my home landline number there gives:
> "Emergency call
>
> Call not sent. $HOME is not an
> emergency number. To make an
> emergency call, dial a valid
> emergency number such as 112."
>
> I googled and infer that emergency call number recognition is a
> sim/network facility, rather than a facility of the 'phone.
> I read 5 year old suggestions that it should be possible to mark
> contacts as ICE (In Case of Emergency.)
>
> It seems that http://www.appventive.com/ice sidesteps this restriction.
>
> I know nothing, but will happily take information.;)

As you say, the emergency dialler only lets you dial genuine emergency 
numbers - 999, 112, etc. and not any number you choose.

However, as others have said, you *can* put a message which scrolls 
across the lock screen with contact details, etc. I have the same model 
of phone, and mine says: "If found, please return to {my name and 
landline number. ICE: {wife's name} at same number"

Anyone turning the phone on will see that - but won't be able to unlock 
the phone without knowing the password. My reason for passwording it 
isn't primarily financial because it's PAYG and never has more than £10 
of credit on it. *But* an Android phone is much more than a phone and 
may well hold a lot of personal information which you don't want all and 
sundry to get hold of!
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote:
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> It's not. I have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7 with vanilla Android, and it has 
> that facility.

  IME and AFAICT from the posts in this and other groups (and fora),
there is no such thing as "vanilla Android".

  Each manufacturer/supplier has their *own* *stock* (not 'vanilla')
Android version. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest -
disadvantage of Android, the lack of any standardization accross brands.

  "Android, broken-by-(non-)design!"

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