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  The end of VGA RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-31 10:51 +0000
    Re: The end of VGA Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-31 14:04 +0000
      Re: The end of VGA Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 11:36 -0500
        Re: The end of VGA scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-02-01 21:21 +0000
    Re: The end of VGA Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2016-02-01 23:01 -0800
    Re:The end of VGA RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2016-02-02 16:01 +0300
      Re: The end of VGA songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2016-02-02 11:33 -0500
        Re: The end of VGA Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2016-02-03 19:53 -0800
      Re: The end of VGA Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-02 16:55 +0000
        Re: The end of VGA Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-02-02 18:32 +0000
      Re:The end of VGA Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 12:58 -0500
        Re:The end of VGA Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 18:40 +0000
          Re: The end of VGA Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-02-03 17:52 +0000
        Re: The end of VGA scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-02-03 17:07 +0000
          Re: The end of VGA Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:54 -0500

#10218 — The end of VGA

From the «when you pry it from my cold, dead hands» department:
Title: In Memoriam: VGA
Author: help@slashdot.org
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:32:00 -0500
Link: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/RENfmqDQBNc/in-memoriam-vga

szczys writes: VGA is going away. It has been for a long time but the final
nails in the coffin are being driven home this year. It was the first standard
for video, and is by far the longest-lived port on the PC. The extra pins made
computers monitor-aware; allowing data about the screen type and resolution to
be queried whenever a display was connected. But the connector is big and looks
antiquated. There's no place for it in today's thin, design minded devices. It
is also a mechanism for analog signaling in our world that has embraced
high-speed digital for ever increasing pixels and integration of more data
passing through one connection. Most motherboards no longer have the connector,
and Intel's new Skylake processors have removed native VGA functionality. Even
online retailers have stopped including it as a filter option when choosing
hardware.

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#10221

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> szczys writes: VGA is going away. ... There's no place for it in
> today's thin, design minded devices. ... Most motherboards no longer
> have the connector, and Intel's new Skylake processors have removed
> native VGA functionality. Even online retailers have stopped
> including it as a filter option when choosing hardware.

Well, I presumed this would eventually come to pass, but I also
presumed from the 'motherboard' perspective that it would hang around
longer, simply because it is not that 'big' for 'motherboard' form
factors (excluding rPi size boards).  For the current crop of Apple
clones of _how thin can we go_ laptops, I see the desire to drop the
port.

Sadly, an enormous amount of secondary equipment will now also be
rendered obsolete and will start migrating to the pile of toxic waste
in India/China where old electronics go to steep posions into the
environment, simply because some 'big boss' can no longer plug his new
laptop into the conference room projector (or some other item).

Thankfully, for those of us who are more clueful, there are hdmi->vga
and display port->vga adaptors, but now we have to carry around (or
have handy) one more adapter to plug in a slightly older (but fully
working) screen or projector or whatever.

> Read more of this story[7] at Slashdot.

Why would I give them *any* traffic?

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#10223

On Sun, 31 Jan 2016, Rich wrote:

> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> szczys writes: VGA is going away. ... There's no place for it in
>> today's thin, design minded devices. ... Most motherboards no longer
>> have the connector, and Intel's new Skylake processors have removed
>> native VGA functionality. Even online retailers have stopped
>> including it as a filter option when choosing hardware.
>
> Well, I presumed this would eventually come to pass, but I also
> presumed from the 'motherboard' perspective that it would hang around
> longer, simply because it is not that 'big' for 'motherboard' form
> factors (excluding rPi size boards).  For the current crop of Apple
> clones of _how thin can we go_ laptops, I see the desire to drop the
> port.
>
The comments after the article point out that there are motherboards that 
have VGA connectors, so the article may be wishful thinking.

I don't see it disappearing.

I have a bunch of LCD monitors I've found on the sidewalk.  All have VGA 
connectors.  One or two have DVI, none have HDMI. I am not scrapping them 
(at least not till something better comes along) so it's no longer the end 
of VGA.

The cold reality is that whether it disappears or not is dependent on what 
the end user decides.  If they fuss about that lost VGA connector, it 
won't be gone.  If they give in and scrap the old monitors because the new 
computers lack the connector, then they've let the VGA connector 
disappear.

    Michael

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#10235

In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1601311132370.20782@darkstar.example.org>,
Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jan 2016, Rich wrote:
>
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>> szczys writes: VGA is going away. ... There's no place for it in
>>> today's thin, design minded devices. ... Most motherboards no longer
>>> have the connector, and Intel's new Skylake processors have removed
>>> native VGA functionality. Even online retailers have stopped
>>> including it as a filter option when choosing hardware.
>>
>> Well, I presumed this would eventually come to pass, but I also
>> presumed from the 'motherboard' perspective that it would hang around
>> longer, simply because it is not that 'big' for 'motherboard' form
>> factors (excluding rPi size boards).  For the current crop of Apple
>> clones of _how thin can we go_ laptops, I see the desire to drop the
>> port.
>>
>The comments after the article point out that there are motherboards that 
>have VGA connectors, so the article may be wishful thinking.

The article's historical perspective was also noted to be sorely
deficient...probably tapped out by a millennial on his iPad.

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#10239

I still use VGA especially with my Y2K KVMs. ;)
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#10249

RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> Wrote in message:


> But the connector is big and looks
 antiquated. There's no place for it in today's thin, design minded devices. It

The article has  een rightly pilloried on tech grounds.  But tbis
 is the part that angers me most.  Death to decisions basd on
 design over fun ction.  You think the interface is ugly?  Cry me
 a river.
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#10250

  not really much of a surprise, but i was happy that the
new 27" monitor had a VGA compatible plug so that i didn't
have to scrap the old PC just yet.


  songbird

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#10279

On 2/2/2016 8:33 AM, songbird wrote:
>    not really much of a surprise, but i was happy that the
> new 27" monitor had a VGA compatible plug so that i didn't
> have to scrap the old PC just yet.

Ditto for my Y2K KVMs, PS/2 clicky keyboards and mice, etc. :)
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#10251

On 2016-02-02, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote:
> RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> Wrote in message:
>
>
>> But the connector is big and looks
 antiquated. There's no place for it in today's thin, design minded devices. It
>
> The article has  een rightly pilloried on tech grounds.  But tbis
>  is the part that angers me most.  Death to decisions basd on
>  design over fun ction.  You think the interface is ugly?  Cry me
>  a river.

*applause*

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#10253

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016-02-02, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote:
> > RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> Wrote in message:
> >
> >
> >> But the connector is big and looks
>  antiquated. There's no place for it in today's thin, design minded devices. It
> >
> > The article has  een rightly pilloried on tech grounds.  But tbis
> >  is the part that angers me most.  Death to decisions basd on
> >  design over fun ction.  You think the interface is ugly?  Cry me
> >  a river.

> *applause*

Sadly, too many of the lemmings (which are who is supplying most of the
consumption purchases these manufacturers see) are too easily
distracted by "ooohhh.... shiny metal object".

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#10252

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016, RS Wood wrote:

> RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> Wrote in message:
>
>
>> But the connector is big and looks
> antiquated. There's no place for it in today's thin, design minded devices. It
>
> The article has  een rightly pilloried on tech grounds.  But tbis
> is the part that angers me most.  Death to decisions basd on
> design over fun ction.  You think the interface is ugly?  Cry me
> a river.

The traditional answer to that is then to create a smaller connector that 
still offers the same interface.  Apple did it, they got rid of DB-9 
connectors in favor of those mini-DIN connectors for serial connections. 
I don't know whether it was a savings in terms of space, but IBM dropped 
the "Centronics" connector in favor of a DB-25 connector for the serial 
port (I can't remember whether it was male or female).

I have PCMCIA modems and ethernet boards that have odd connectors on them, 
nice and thin, which rely on a small cable with the proper connector on 
the other end.

There's lots of possibilities, if it's just that the "VGA connector is too 
big".

   Michael

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#10254

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:58:03 -0500, Michael Black wrote:

> The traditional answer to that is then to create a smaller connector
> that still offers the same interface.  Apple did it, they got rid of
> DB-9 connectors in favor of those mini-DIN connectors for serial
> connections. I don't know whether it was a savings in terms of space,
> but IBM dropped the "Centronics" connector in favor of a DB-25 connector
> for the serial port (I can't remember whether it was male or female).

Well, it was never a Centronics connector on the PC end (unless you are 
referring to earlier hardware). And surely that was for the parallel 
port? Yes, the same connector (opposite gender) was used for the serial 
port.

Of course, the serial port eventually moved to a DE-9 to save space, but 
that wasn't a big deal.
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#10271

En el artículo <dhcbgkFfseU26@mid.individual.net>, Bob Eager
<news0006@eager.cx> escribió:

>Of course, the serial port eventually moved to a DE-9 to save space, but 
>that wasn't a big deal.

It meant you could fit two ports on a card backplate, so you didn't have
a flying lead to another on a separate backplate, wasting a slot in the
days when this mattered.  The original PC only had five slots, and
needed separate cards for video, floppy controller, hard controller,
serial and parallel.

VGA died (is dying) because it's a connector used for analogue data to
analogue devices (CRT monitors) which has no place in today's computers.  

If you use VGA (analogue) with an LCD monitor (digital), you've got a
digital device (the PC) putting out an analogue signal, which is then
converted back to digital in the LCD monitor.  Two D/A conversions with
resultant loss of detail.  That's crazy.

DVI-I and DVI-A ports have analogue outputs and DVI-VGA cables are
freely available for those that want it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_inHxGWLPdTE/TSAZWZF1FCI/AAAAAAAAARo/ly1EzsO1zD
g/s1600/DVI_pinout.png

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#10268

In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1602021254490.25385@darkstar.example.org>,
Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>I have PCMCIA modems and ethernet boards that have odd connectors on them, 
>nice and thin, which rely on a small cable with the proper connector on 
>the other end.

Better still were the modems and network cards with pop-out RJ-11 or RJ-45
connectors (as appropriate)...no dongles to lose:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/XJACK_network_card_extended.jpg

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#10269

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, Scott Alfter wrote:

> In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1602021254490.25385@darkstar.example.org>,
> Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> I have PCMCIA modems and ethernet boards that have odd connectors on them,
>> nice and thin, which rely on a small cable with the proper connector on
>> the other end.
>
> Better still were the modems and network cards with pop-out RJ-11 or RJ-45
> connectors (as appropriate)...no dongles to lose:
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/XJACK_network_card_extended.jpg
>
I was just making the point that while odd connectors are annoying, they 
are less annoying than moving to a completely different standard.  VGA on 
a different connector is still VGA.

   Michael

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