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wipe and reinstall

Started byRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
First post2019-01-13 16:16 -0500
Last post2019-01-17 12:55 +1100
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  wipe and reinstall RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-01-13 16:16 -0500
    Re: wipe and reinstall Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-01-14 00:17 +0000
      Re: wipe and reinstall RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-01-14 00:51 +0000
        Re: wipe and reinstall Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:08 -0500
          Re: wipe and reinstall Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-01-14 09:24 +0000
          Re: wipe and reinstall RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-01-17 18:44 +0300
            Re: wipe and reinstall Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-17 11:19 -0500
            Re: wipe and reinstall Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-01-17 17:09 +0000
        Re: wipe and reinstall Kerry Imming <kcimming@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 11:52 -0600
        digital hoarding Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2019-01-15 18:25 +0000
          Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-15 19:32 +0000
            Re: digital hoarding Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2019-01-15 19:57 +0000
              Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-15 20:05 +0000
                Re: digital hoarding Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2019-01-15 20:20 +0000
            Re: digital hoarding not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-01-15 22:25 +0000
              Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-15 22:45 +0000
                Re: digital hoarding Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-01-16 04:03 +0000
                  Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-16 22:15 +0000
                    Re: digital hoarding not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-01-17 22:11 +0000
                      Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-17 22:54 +0000
                        Re: digital hoarding Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2019-01-18 15:32 +0200
                      Re: digital hoarding Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-01-18 01:56 -0400
                      Re: digital hoarding Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-01-26 07:35 +0000
                        Re: digital hoarding Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-28 05:10 +0000
    Re: wipe and reinstall "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2019-01-14 11:36 +0100
    Re: wipe and reinstall "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2019-01-14 12:07 +0100
      Re: wipe and reinstall Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-01-14 13:01 +0000
        Re: wipe and reinstall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 15:32 +0000
          Re: wipe and reinstall Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:36 +0000
        Re: wipe and reinstall "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2019-01-15 10:22 +0100
          Re: wipe and reinstall Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-01-15 09:47 +0000
            Re: wipe and reinstall "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2019-01-15 11:13 +0100
          Re: wipe and reinstall Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-15 19:42 +0000
    Re: wipe and reinstall Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-14 11:31 +0000
      Re: wipe and reinstall scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2019-01-14 21:52 +0000
        Re: wipe and reinstall gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-01-15 00:33 +0000
    Re: wipe and reinstall Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 12:23 +0000
    Re: wipe and reinstall kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-01-14 17:21 -0500
    Re: wipe and reinstall J <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-16 12:55 +0000
      Re: wipe and reinstall Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-01-16 14:24 +0000
    Re: wipe and reinstall Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-17 12:55 +1100

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#17302 — Re: digital hoarding

FromEric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>
Date2019-01-18 15:32 +0200
SubjectRe: digital hoarding
Message-ID<slrnq43lcb.qbr.whynot@orphan.zombinet>
In reply to#17291
with <eli$1901171754@qaz.wtf> Eli the Bearded wrote:
> In comp.misc, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

*SKIP*
>> Well those are movies for general entertainment. Most of the Soviet
>> films that I've found haven't had translations. However some were
>> originally translated to Engligh for propaganda, I'll post links to a
>> small few later when I'm near the bookmarks.
> Hmmm.  I recall once seeing a subtitled Russian animation of _There
> Will Come Soft Rains_, a Ray Bradbury story. (Which story is probably
> not out of copyright anywhere.)
> Checking Wikipedia, it looks like that may be available elsewhere:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(short_story)
> In 1984, Soviet studio Uzbekfilm produced "There Will Come Soft Rains"
> as a short animated film.[7] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ links to
> http://www.dailymotion.com/DublinBen/video/5452202
> Just as an example of a Soviet film probably of more general interest.

Honestly, I didn't research copyrighted material interlingual transfer
thoroughly, but what I've observed made me to come to conclusion that in
USSR copyrighted material had been used to produce something.  That
something beared some resemblance to source but exact translation had
never been the point -- like droping characters, goals moved between
characters, and such.  My favored example, in USSR-based mindset Baghira
(of The Jungle Book) is female.  I've come to conclusion, that a reason
for this was royalty optimization.

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#17296 — Re: digital hoarding

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2019-01-18 01:56 -0400
SubjectRe: digital hoarding
Message-ID<87won28q5e.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#17289
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:

> Well those are movies for general entertainment. Most of the Soviet
> films that I've found haven't had translations. However some were
> originally translated to Engligh for propaganda, I'll post links to
> a small few later when I'm near the bookmarks.

Kurosawa's _Dersu Uzala_, made with Mosfilm, seems to be available
with English subtitles.  Lost track of where, though.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#17343 — Re: digital hoarding

FromComputer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid>
Date2019-01-26 07:35 +0000
SubjectRe: digital hoarding
Message-ID<q2h2jv$6hp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#17289
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, thanks. I'll have to look at that. I'd be particularly interested in
>> science and technology stuff. I found some archive.org Soviet stuff but
>> it was largely kids / general entertainment.
> 
> Well those are movies for general entertainment. Most of the Soviet
> films that I've found haven't had translations. However some were
> originally translated to Engligh for propaganda, I'll post links to
> a small few later when I'm near the bookmarks.

Two translated educational films:
Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDG5W3mdoYI
Atomic Flagship, 1959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ksa6UA7I7o

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#17358 — Re: digital hoarding

FromEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Date2019-01-28 05:10 +0000
SubjectRe: digital hoarding
Message-ID<eli$1901280010@qaz.wtf>
In reply to#17343
In comp.misc, Computer Nerd Kev  <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Two translated educational films:

Thanks for remembering.

> Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Station
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDG5W3mdoYI

I haven't watched that one yet.

> Atomic Flagship, 1959
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ksa6UA7I7o

Icebreaker Lenin (1957 edition; the Russians frequently reuse ship
names, and there was a non-nuclear earlier Lenin). The Russians got
really good at making icebreakers. As the film notes, that huge arctic
coastline really demanded the work. (And it's for the same reason
current Russia benefits from global warming: cheaper easier access to
it's coast.)

Later history of the ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_(1957_icebreaker)

The cavalier way of dealing with nuclear waste fits in with modern
Russian casualness about risks (as seen in youtube videos).

Elijah
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_icebreaker

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#17247

From"Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl>
Date2019-01-14 11:36 +0100
Message-ID<5c3c6635$0$22349$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#17240
Op 13-01-19 om 22:16 schreef RS Wood:
> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days, though
> ostensibly with Linux that should be one of the advantages.  I had a Linux
> Mint box I wanted to upgrade, so I backed everything up to my FreeNAS, wiped
> the machine, and then began restoring from my backup, only to find not
> everything worked as I thought it should, and now I've got a chore trying to
> figure out what went wrong.
> 
> The things I most want to avoid having to reconfigure are: Firefox
> bookmarks, passwords, and history; Evolution IMAP, CardDAV and CALDAV
> configs, and Cinnamon desktop configs, but those are the exact things that
> gave me trouble.  I think one of the issues is actually security: passwords
> are hashed using a salt that doesn't carry over to the new machine, so
> you've got to manually reconnect all the IMAP and DAV configs.
> 
> Then, Firefox helpfully starts you out with a "fresh" profile, which takes a
> while to reconfigure (I think they want you to use their Firefox sync
> service, which in truth would've saved me some hassle - I've begun using it
> now - but introduces security questions of its own).
> 
> Lastly, it might've been a permissions problem - looking into that now - but
> little of my cinnamon install transferred correctly.  Very annoying!
> 
> I remember in the days of fluxbox, mutt, and sylpheed you could very easily
> backup $HOME to a USB key, wipe your Linux install, and then reinstall $HOME
> from your USB key.  Those days seem to be well and over.  Too bad! Don't
> think FreeBSD would've saved me any time either, it seems to be the way
> modern Linux apps are configured.
> 
I grab a copy of the old .mozilla, .thunderbird and other files from the 
/home directory and use them to overwrite the new ones.
Copying the whole /home before installing also works well.

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#17248

From"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
Date2019-01-14 12:07 +0100
Message-ID<87h8eb1orp.fsf@hubble.informatimago.com>
In reply to#17240
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,

I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__

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#17251

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2019-01-14 13:01 +0000
Message-ID<ga3fgdFa6brU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17248
On 2019-01-14, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
>
>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
>
> I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.

I just migrated onto a new PC and sidegraded from Linux Mint 17 Mate to
Linux Mint 19.1 Cinnamon, decided that Cinnamon is a heap of cack and
went back to Mate without any particular problems. I do use Firefox
and Chromium sync, so that was trivial, copied and restored an
Evolution backup, so that was easy, and copied all the non-dot files
from ~ on the old machine to the new one. Other than having to faff
about due to now having a 4K monitor, it was all pretty straightforward.

Although you wouldn't have thought so, judging by the amount of swearing.

About the only outstanding issue is that the 'new' gedit is garbage and
xed seems to have no way to easily add plugins, so I've lost all my
gedit plugins for the time being.

One of the big problems with FOSS seems to be this constant need to
tinker with things that don't need tinkering with, without fixing
fundamentals.

https://xkcd.com/619/


-- 
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                      ~ Stercus accidit ~

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#17252

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-01-14 15:32 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq3pas1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net>
In reply to#17251
Huge wrote:
> On 2019-01-14, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
>>
>>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
>>
>> I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.
>
> [...]
>
> One of the big problems with FOSS seems to be this constant need to
> tinker with things that don't need tinkering with, without fixing
> fundamentals.

Or breaking fundamentals, while saying your way is better, and shoving
it down everyone's throats.


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#17253

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2019-01-14 15:36 +0000
Message-ID<ga3okgFc7v5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17252
On 2019-01-14, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> Huge wrote:
>> On 2019-01-14, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
>>>
>>> I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> One of the big problems with FOSS seems to be this constant need to
>> tinker with things that don't need tinkering with, without fixing
>> fundamentals.
>
> Or breaking fundamentals, while saying your way is better, and shoving
> it down everyone's throats.

*applause*


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#17265

From"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
Date2019-01-15 10:22 +0100
Message-ID<87d0oy1dj9.fsf@hubble.informatimago.com>
In reply to#17251
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2019-01-14, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
>>
>>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
>>
>> I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.
>
> I just migrated onto a new PC and sidegraded from Linux Mint 17 Mate to
> Linux Mint 19.1 Cinnamon, decided that Cinnamon is a heap of cack and
> went back to Mate without any particular problems. I do use Firefox
> and Chromium sync, so that was trivial, copied and restored an
> Evolution backup, so that was easy, and copied all the non-dot files
> from ~ on the old machine to the new one. Other than having to faff
> about due to now having a 4K monitor, it was all pretty straightforward.
>
> Although you wouldn't have thought so, judging by the amount of swearing.
>
> About the only outstanding issue is that the 'new' gedit is garbage and
> xed seems to have no way to easily add plugins, so I've lost all my
> gedit plugins for the time being.
>
> One of the big problems with FOSS seems to be this constant need to
> tinker with things that don't need tinkering with, without fixing
> fundamentals.

Still, I fail to see how that is a problem.  Basically, I use the same
/home on all my systems (I just take care of specifying the UID/GID of
each users so they're the same on all these systems).

Now, if you want to be fashionable and use the editor du-jour, of
course, you will have to deal with those problems, but don't worry, next
season, you will have a new editor with new themes, to go with the color
of your shoes.

Instead, if you want to do serious work, just install and compile
yourself the current version of emacs. Or whatever software you use
daily, actually.  You cannot count on an administrator working tens of
thousands of kilometer away on generic hardware, and whose sole purpose
is to make sure the system won't break for millions of users, to compile
and administrate your system and software.

> https://xkcd.com/619/

Flash?  What is this prehistoric animal?


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__

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#17266

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2019-01-15 09:47 +0000
Message-ID<ga5oibFpggqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17265
On 2019-01-15, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2019-01-14, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
>>>
>>> I don't know why you say so, I don't have any such problem.
>>
>> I just migrated onto a new PC and sidegraded from Linux Mint 17 Mate to

[snippage]

> Now, if you want to be fashionable and use the editor du-jour, of
> course, you will have to deal with those problems, but don't worry, next
> season, you will have a new editor with new themes, to go with the color
> of your shoes.
>
> Instead, if you want to do serious work, just install and compile
> yourself the current version of emacs. Or whatever software you use
> daily, actually.  You cannot count on an administrator working tens of
> thousands of kilometer away on generic hardware, and whose sole purpose
> is to make sure the system won't break for millions of users, to compile
> and administrate your system and software.

Patronising cunt, aren't you?

>> https://xkcd.com/619/
>
> Flash?  What is this prehistoric animal?

What has that to do with me?


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#17267

From"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
Date2019-01-15 11:13 +0100
Message-ID<878szm1b51.fsf@hubble.informatimago.com>
In reply to#17266
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2019-01-15, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>
>
>>> https://xkcd.com/619/
>>
>> Flash?  What is this prehistoric animal?
>
> What has that to do with me?

You're an idiot.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__

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#17270

FromEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Date2019-01-15 19:42 +0000
Message-ID<eli$1901151439@qaz.wtf>
In reply to#17265
In comp.misc, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>> https://xkcd.com/619/
> Flash?  What is this prehistoric animal?

That comic is from August 2009, several months before Youtube introduced
HTML5 video. At that time Flash was required to watch things on there. I
remember the change over, because by that point I was blocking Flash
from my standard browser config.

The wikipedia page for Youtube tells me HTML5 video didn't become default
until 2015. I don't think they ever used the Real Video format, but some
sites were back in that "prehistoric" era. I still have some downloads
of them, which mplayer still plays.

Elijah
------
is still forced to run a browser with Flash for one work site

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#17249

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-01-14 11:31 +0000
Message-ID<87bm4j79wk.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#17240
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:
> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days,
> though ostensibly with Linux that should be one of the advantages.  I
> had a Linux Mint box I wanted to upgrade, so I backed everything up to
> my FreeNAS, wiped the machine, and then began restoring from my
> backup, only to find not everything worked as I thought it should, and
> now I've got a chore trying to figure out what went wrong.

In-place upgrades have been around for a long time, and continue to
work. You don’t have to burn everything down and start again every time
you want to upgrade.

(I don’t know about Mint in particular, but if it’s a pain to upgrade,
maybe that makes it a bad choice.)

> The things I most want to avoid having to reconfigure are: Firefox
> bookmarks, passwords, and history; Evolution IMAP, CardDAV and CALDAV
> configs, and Cinnamon desktop configs, but those are the exact things that
> gave me trouble.  I think one of the issues is actually security: passwords
> are hashed using a salt that doesn't carry over to the new machine, so
> you've got to manually reconnect all the IMAP and DAV configs.

Salts normally travel with hashed passwords. But it sounds like you’re
confused about where password hashing is done.

-- 
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#17258

Fromscott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter)
Date2019-01-14 21:52 +0000
Message-ID<q1j0ad$gp0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#17249
In article <87bm4j79wk.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>,
Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>In-place upgrades have been around for a long time, and continue to
>work. You don’t have to burn everything down and start again every time
>you want to upgrade.

I have Gentoo systems that have been continuously updated over the past
several years.  They're all just as close to "current" as any similar system
you might've set up in the past week or so.  The initial installation of
Gentoo on my VPS goes back to when I first set up that service...2013,
perhaps?

Raspbian usually can update itself without trashing the system, too.

  _/_
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(IIGS( https://alfter.us/           Top-posting!
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#17263

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2019-01-15 00:33 +0000
Message-ID<q1j9o8$9t1$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#17258
In article <q1j0ad$gp0$1@dont-email.me>,
Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
...
>Raspbian usually can update itself without trashing the system, too.

Funny you should bring that up.

Because it is pretty much the opposite of the truth.

-- 
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flag burning laws, more abortion  laws, more drug laws, more obscenity
laws, and more police authority  to make warrantless arrests to remind
us that we need to "get the government off our backs".

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#17250

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-01-14 12:23 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq3ovqe.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net>
In reply to#17240
RS Wood wrote:
> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days, though
> ostensibly with Linux that should be one of the advantages.  I had a Linux
> Mint box I wanted to upgrade, so I backed everything up to my FreeNAS,
> wiped the machine, and then began restoring from my backup, only to
> find not everything worked as I thought it should, and now I've got a
> chore trying to figure out what went wrong.
>
> The things I most want to avoid having to reconfigure are: Firefox
> bookmarks, passwords, and history; Evolution IMAP, CardDAV and CALDAV
> configs, and Cinnamon desktop configs, but those are the exact things that
> gave me trouble.  I think one of the issues is actually security:
> passwords are hashed using a salt that doesn't carry over to the new
> machine, so you've got to manually reconnect all the IMAP and DAV
> configs.

Sounds like your "backup" wasn't as extensive as you thought.  

I've had little trouble transferring $HOME between distros, although I
don't keep all that much.  

  -- firefox / tbird (.mozilla )
  -- .gnupg
  -- .ssh


Docu and everything else are pulled over when I realize I need
something -- no point in "wasting" the bandwidth moving docs from 4
years ago that I'm never gonna touch again.
>
> Then, Firefox helpfully starts you out with a "fresh" profile, which
> takes a while to reconfigure (I think they want you to use their
> Firefox sync service, which in truth would've saved me some hassle -
> I've begun using it now - but introduces security questions of its
> own).

While I admittedly use that to keep stuff between the phone and the PC
sync'd up; I don't need to use it to restore PC settings on reinstall.

It's possible the .mozilla/firefox/default.whatever profile has changed
names, or that you created your own non-default profile to use.

> [...]
> I remember in the days of fluxbox, mutt, and sylpheed you could very
> easily backup $HOME to a USB key, wipe your Linux install, and then
> reinstall $HOME from your USB key.  

Works for me .. although I use XFCE for the most part.  

> Those days seem to be well and over.  Too bad! Don't think FreeBSD
> would've saved me any time either, it seems to be the way modern Linux
> apps are configured. 

I've yet to run into actual _problems_ ; except for upgrading between
17.x and 18.0; at which I had some issues with systemd and promptly
reformatted back to 17 until I could do further research and find
something that hadn't drunk the koolaid yet.


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#17261

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2019-01-14 17:21 -0500
Message-ID<q1j21u$eco$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#17240
RS Wood  <randy@therandymon.com> wrote:
>The things I most want to avoid having to reconfigure are: Firefox
>bookmarks, passwords, and history; Evolution IMAP, CardDAV and CALDAV
>configs, and Cinnamon desktop configs, but those are the exact things that
>gave me trouble.  I think one of the issues is actually security: passwords
>are hashed using a salt that doesn't carry over to the new machine, so
>you've got to manually reconnect all the IMAP and DAV configs.

This doesn't make sense to me.  I regularly do upgrades just keeping /home
on a different partition so it's not touched during the upgrade and it is
usually pretty seamless.  

How did you do the backup of the files?  Did you use tar or dump or something 
more evil?

>Then, Firefox helpfully starts you out with a "fresh" profile, which takes a
>while to reconfigure (I think they want you to use their Firefox sync
>service, which in truth would've saved me some hassle - I've begun using it
>now - but introduces security questions of its own).

This should definitely not be happening, I think you have some files missing
or with bad permissions.
--scott

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#17277

FromJ <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-01-16 12:55 +0000
Message-ID<q1n9k5$1t63$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#17240
> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days, though
> ostensibly with Linux that should be one of the advantages.  I had a Linux
> Mint box I wanted to upgrade, so I backed everything up to my FreeNAS, wiped
> the machine, and then began restoring from my backup, only to find not
> everything worked as I thought it should, and now I've got a chore trying to
> figure out what went wrong.

HDD/SSDs are cheap these days.  Just extract the old HD and install to
a blank one.  Keep the old HD for at least a week in case something
doesn't work with the new one.

Thinkpad T and W series [1] have two HD slots that are easily replaced
(the CD-ROM bay can hold a HD).  Use one slot for / the other for
/home.

It is also a good idea to keep one or two / HDs ready in case of HD
failure.

[1] From my experience with Dell laptops HDs cannot be easily replaced,
although I have not seen all Dell laptop series.  For other brands
like HP it's long time I have not seen their laptops, but I'd
like to hear comments about HD replaceability.

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#17278

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2019-01-16 14:24 +0000
Message-ID<ga8t4fFg9erU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17277
On 2019-01-16, J <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> It's not as easy to wipe a Linux partition and restore these days, though
>> ostensibly with Linux that should be one of the advantages.  I had a Linux
>> Mint box I wanted to upgrade, so I backed everything up to my FreeNAS, wiped
>> the machine, and then began restoring from my backup, only to find not
>> everything worked as I thought it should, and now I've got a chore trying to
>> figure out what went wrong.
>
> HDD/SSDs are cheap these days.  Just extract the old HD and install to
> a blank one.  Keep the old HD for at least a week in case something
> doesn't work with the new one.

Precisely. And I keep them a lot longer than a week.

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