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“javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements)

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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Eric Bednarz wrote:
>> Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> writes:
>>> As long as the appropriate value for the type attribute
>> 
>> The type attribute for the SCRIPT element type was introduced in HTML
>> 4.0/4.01 (1998/1999).
>> 
>>> of the html
>>> script tag
>> 
>> *ding* *ding* *ding*
> 
> ACK.

ACK :)

>>> is "text/javascript"

Ouch.

>> "text/javascript" didn't mean anything before RFC 4329 (2006).

Not entirely true:

<http://wayback.archive.org/web/20100904140711/http://pointedears.de/scripts/test/mime-types/>

[I need to update that based on the Matrix's test framework.]

>> See the problem with the timeline here?

Apropos: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix#timeline>
(you might want to read the Changelog on this)

[And no, I am _not_ advocating to say “ECMAScript + DOM2” *instead of* 
“javascript”.  To assume that conveys a fundamental misunderstanding of the 
Matrix's introductory sections.  I am advocating instead that you should use 
each of the *precise* terms (not only and not particularly those mentioned 
above) where they are *necessary* and *appropriate* (and only *those* 
*then*), to avoid misunderstandings and avoid creating misconceptions in 
beginners.  “javascript” as an umbrella term for *everything* scripted is 
_not_ precise; it is ambiguous and misleading, and should therefore be 
avoided.  For example, the Subject of this thread could have done well 
without any mention of “javascript”.]

>> (From then on, it is "obsolete", not "appropriate".)
> 
> Unfortunately RFC 4329 is in "Category: Informational" only. :|

I do not think it would change anything if it were on the Standards Track 
because browser vendors do not forego year-long backwards compatibility just 
because someone suggests it to the IETF.

See also: <http://stackoverflow.com/a/7227303/855543>.

Björn Höhrmann, author of that RFC, has pointed out to me in Usenet that 
there was no “deprecated” label available, so he had to choose “obsolete”. 

I still think it was a mistake to choose any label for it in the first 
place; it would have been better to suggest “*/javascript” for Mozilla 
JavaScript and recommend against it for code written for other 
implementations; perhaps */ecmascript or those that do not extend ECMAScript 
that much.  But the RFC's “Introduction” also makes it clear to me that this 
is yet another example of “the world's most misunderstood programming 
language”, and we witness but the result of that.

That said, in SVG you probably better use application/ecmascript.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements bugbuster <barryk_56@comcast.net> - 2013-06-25 19:22 -0400
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-26 02:34 +0200
    Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-26 02:39 +0200
    Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-26 16:10 +0100
      Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 21:21 +0000
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-27 08:12 +1000
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-26 23:21 +0100
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-27 11:58 +1000
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 00:14 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 00:45 +0200
            “javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 13:36 +0200
              Re: “javascript”? Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-07-29 01:21 +0200
                Re: “javascript”? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-30 08:51 +0200
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 14:52 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-27 14:04 +0300
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 14:45 +0200
              Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 15:11 +0200
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 00:45 +0200
          “javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 14:21 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-27 14:31 +0100
            Parlance (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 16:21 +0200
              Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 20:46 +0200
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-28 14:33 +0100
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 15:54 +0200
                Re: Parlance "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-28 17:08 +0300
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 17:05 +0200
                Re: Parlance "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-28 18:16 +0300
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 17:56 +0200
                Re: Parlance Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-28 17:54 +0100
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 20:50 +0200
                Re: Parlance Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-29 07:18 +1000
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-29 17:17 +0100
              Re: Parlance (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-28 14:53 +0100
                Re: Parlance Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-07-15 00:42 +0200
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-15 16:01 +0100
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-26 08:55 +0300
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-27 21:27 +0100

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