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“javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements)

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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:10:40 +0100, John Harris wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:34:30 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>>> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>   <snip>
>>>> There is no javascript: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
>>>   <snip>
>>> 
>>> He wants you to write "ECMAScript + DOM2" instead because he thinks the
>>> word "javascript" might confuse you.
> 
> In fact, the abbreviation is confusing -- at least for beginners.  When
> I was new to the topic (what's not too long ago), I was not aware that
> the language and the browser API are not directly related.

[“javascript” is _not_ an abbreviation.  There is not even a definition for 
that term that people can universally agree on.  It is a misnomer instead.]

To be precise, they have not been directly related in JavaScript™ “only” 
since version 1.4 (Netscape Enterprise Server, after Netscape 4.x, before 
Mozilla.org and Netscape Navigator 6.0; 1999/2000 CE).

The assumption is that they have never been directly related for Microsoft 
JScript because firstly, the MSHTML browser component was not used not only 
in Internet Explorer from the beginning; secondly, JScript is used in WSH 
client-side and on IIS server-side as well; and thirdly, the *same* DOM API 
is available from other programming languages.  There are a jscript.dll 
*and* an mshtml.dll in …\system32, after all.

Finally, there is significant proof that they have never been directly 
related for the ECMAScript implementations that followed those two.  For 
example, we can observe Apple JavaScriptCore in Safari, and V8 JavaScript in 
Chromium/Chrome and in the Android browser component, but all of them use 
WebKit WebCore and *its* DOM (Chromium/Chrome used to, but will now switch 
to the Blink fork of WebCore, which should be interesting).  Also in recent 
news, Opera is about to switch from their Presto layout engine (and DOM) to 
WebKit (WebCore); they did not say anything about switching their ECMAScript 
implementation, currently Carakan (CMIIW), as well (and there is good no 
reason that they should).

> Looking up normative information on the internet was nearly impossible to
> accomplish for me in these days.  Fortunately "he" (and Mark David) made
> me aware of this "detail".  Otherwise I might still wander around in the
> dark...

I am glad that I could contribute my share to help.
 
> BTW: if I am not mistaken, Thomas again made the point that there is *no
> single language* called "javascript", but instead there are several
> distinct ECMAScript *implementations*.  And of course, there is not just
> DOM level 2.

You are not mistaken.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements bugbuster <barryk_56@comcast.net> - 2013-06-25 19:22 -0400
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-26 02:34 +0200
    Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-26 02:39 +0200
    Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-26 16:10 +0100
      Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-06-26 21:21 +0000
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-27 08:12 +1000
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-26 23:21 +0100
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-27 11:58 +1000
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 00:14 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 00:45 +0200
            “javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 13:36 +0200
              Re: “javascript”? Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-07-29 01:21 +0200
                Re: “javascript”? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-07-30 08:51 +0200
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 14:52 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-27 14:04 +0300
            Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-06-27 14:45 +0200
              Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 15:11 +0200
        Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 00:45 +0200
          “javascript”? (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 14:21 +0200
          Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-27 14:31 +0100
            Parlance (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-27 16:21 +0200
              Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 20:46 +0200
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-28 14:33 +0100
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 15:54 +0200
                Re: Parlance "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-28 17:08 +0300
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 17:05 +0200
                Re: Parlance "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-28 18:16 +0300
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 17:56 +0200
                Re: Parlance Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-28 17:54 +0100
                Re: Parlance Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-28 20:50 +0200
                Re: Parlance Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-06-29 07:18 +1000
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-29 17:17 +0100
              Re: Parlance (was: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-28 14:53 +0100
                Re: Parlance Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-07-15 00:42 +0200
                Re: Parlance John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-07-15 16:01 +0100
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-06-26 08:55 +0300
  Re: How can javascript detect a fieldset in an array of elements Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-06-27 21:27 +0100

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