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On 2018-02-20 22:25, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 3:40:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Douglas wrote:
>> These people don't ask for much do they?
> 
> So many job ads listing a dozen skill sets most people likely don't have...I checked a few more and one common thread is Java ads want someone who knows framework(s) (Spring/Struts/Hibernate/Grails) and web/mobile (J2EE, HTML5, CSS3, Javascript, jQuery, JSON, AJAX, Angular 2, Angular js, PHP, RESTful API, SOAP, JSP, JSF, Servlets, Tomcat)...with a side of Ant/Maven, Git, and jUnit.
> 
> This sounds like a lot, most of it web related, makes one want to curse the guy who invented the web.  It seems overwhelming, not sure where to start.  I wonder what that Java Web entry level position pays.
> 

That's about par for the course in my neck of the woods (Western
Europe). Java as a dosh-making tech sits on a server with a big-ass
stack of frameworks, databases, and spaghetti-code holding the whole
thing together. There are low-level hacking positions (I mean in the
sense of how close to the iron the code is, not in the sense of prestige
-- that one is inversely proportional to the former), but they're few in
between and occupied by wizzes who will fight tooth and nail to keep
them (understandably so).

Spring is pretty much a must. Hibernate too, although it gets a bit
eclipsed by the NoSQL fad. Struts/Grails depends on what the app does.
You'll need to know at least one servlet container (Tomcat, Jetty, etc.)
Cursory knowledge of "Web 2.0" techs is required, yes.

Ant is getting old and replaced by Maven/Gradle. Git is spreading like
wildfire, much to my satisfaction. JUnit/TestNG are also things you need
to have at least passing knowledge of (it's not rocket science, although
the rabbit hole can go deep).

That being said:
 a) Ads are more often than not written by HR drones, and thus
front-loaded with buzzwords. As a rule, I'd apply if I "know" at least
one or two things in each category of tech they mention (the folks you
end up face-to-face with usually don't expect more).
 b) There are many tasks and roles around that tall application stack I
mentioned. E.g. if you work on the business logic or the back-end,
you'll likely never touch presentation, and vice-versa (unless it's a
really small, one or two-man shop).

Good luck.

-- 
DF.

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programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 07:38 -0800
  Re: programming...? Jon <jon101011@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 17:07 +0100
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 08:19 -0800
      Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 11:45 -0500
        Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:39 -0800
          Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 13:25 -0800
            Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 14:00 -0800
            Re: programming...? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-02-21 00:31 +0100
            Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 19:24 -0500
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  Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 19:37 +0000
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:10 -0800
      Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 22:00 +0000
  Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-20 21:09 +0100
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:16 -0800
      Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 22:09 +0000
        Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-21 01:16 +0100
          Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 00:47 +0000
            Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-21 12:29 +0100
              Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 10:42 -0500
              Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 15:44 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:03 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 08:38 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:54 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:40 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 14:35 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 11:48 -0800
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 08:29 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:47 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 17:35 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 12:47 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:45 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 14:40 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 21:23 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 21:39 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-22 09:06 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-24 20:29 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-25 02:12 +0000
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-26 08:19 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-01 13:17 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:43 -0800
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                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-22 09:10 +0000
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 06:23 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-22 19:32 -0500

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