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On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:44:25 AM UTC-5, Kiwi User wrote:
> > 
> > So you agree that "to learn C, Python and even assembler", buying a
> > second computer is unneccessary?

I don't know any reason you shouldn't want to build and test C, Python, etc code on one machine that is also for anything else ie my personal machine I use for gaming.  The 2 reasons you want separate hardware, or possibly a VM, are to avoid tying up resources (SQL Server requires a process that is always running even when you're not using it?) and to test remote access (a number of things work differently if someone else logs into your machine than if you're connecting to localhost).

> >
> I think there's an element of MS lockin even there: to me, anyway, 
> understanding make is an integral part of learning C, but aren't you 
> stuck with Visual Studio if you use MS C, to say nothing of their 
> revolting 'Hungarian' naming standards. They also used to have a rather 
> nonstandard C library as well - is that now POSIX compliant?
> 

I assume you have to use Visual Studio to edit MS code (anything .Net?) if you need the tools (from code complete, to right click and jump to declaration or find references), otherwise editing files in any text editor should work and there should be a command line statement to compile.

> >  I'm not familiar with databases, but I can't imagine SQL being
> > the only one available for Windows. 
> >
> Well, SQL Server is essentially a Sybase clone, so if you know one you 
> probably can still claim to know the other. Access was horrid and I'm 
> told, by people who know, that the equivalent member of the SQL Server 
> family is no better and just as orphaned when it comes to DBA tools. Both 
> Mysql and MariaDB run in Linux and so does PostgreSQL, so there are 
> enough OS-agnostic RDBMS to make the OS question irrelevant.
> 

I'm not sure how much differences there are between SQL.  Your basic inner join stuff should work anywhere but stuff like Transact-SQL functions have different syntax for different DBs.

> One point, though. If you need to buy the relevant Windows software to 
> learn it or buy a VM in order to run Linux on a Windows box, it could 
> well be cheaper to get a RaspberryPi and run it headless.
>   

I hate having to purchase software to learn it.  We have 3 implementations currently running on 2 servers, one running a MySQL (totally free, not sure the limitations), and one running SQL Server 2014 and a SQL Server 2017 both with purchased licensing.  There's a free SQL Server with limitations which as far as I know does everything you should need for development testing and small personal applications.  I haven't set up a VM lately so I'm not sure if Windows 10 Home has something built in or what VM software runs on it for free.  MS has or had free VM software available for separate download.  For Android testing I have used Bluestacks, not sure about Apple testing in Windows.

For my personal computer I got a GL753VD (http://store.asus.com/us/item/201612AM310000001/ASUS+ROG+Strix+GL753VD-DS71+17.3) and swapped in an MX300 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IAGSD68), which should be enough to run SQL Server and/or a VM or two, but I wouldn't want any of that running while gaming.

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programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 07:38 -0800
  Re: programming...? Jon <jon101011@yahoo.com> - 2018-02-20 17:07 +0100
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 08:19 -0800
      Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 11:45 -0500
        Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:39 -0800
          Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 13:25 -0800
            Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 14:00 -0800
            Re: programming...? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-02-21 00:31 +0100
            Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 19:24 -0500
          Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 19:21 -0500
  Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-20 11:41 -0500
  Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 19:37 +0000
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:10 -0800
      Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 22:00 +0000
  Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-20 21:09 +0100
    Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-20 12:16 -0800
      Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-20 22:09 +0000
        Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-21 01:16 +0100
          Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 00:47 +0000
            Re: programming...? Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2018-02-21 12:29 +0100
              Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 10:42 -0500
              Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 15:44 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:03 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 08:38 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:54 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:40 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 14:35 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 11:48 -0800
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 08:29 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 11:47 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 17:35 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 12:47 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:45 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 14:40 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 21:23 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 21:39 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-22 09:06 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-24 20:29 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-25 02:12 +0000
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-26 08:19 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-01 13:17 -0500
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-21 10:43 -0800
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-21 21:14 +0000
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-21 21:35 -0500
                Re: programming...? Kiwi User <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-02-22 09:10 +0000
                Re: programming...? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-02-22 06:23 -0800
                Re: programming...? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-02-22 19:32 -0500

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