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Re: Javascript replacing Java?

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On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:30:54 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 5/9/2017 4:41 PM, a.laforgia@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, 6 May 2017 03:28:18 UTC+1, Arne Vajhøj  wrote:
>> [...]
>>> They are typical used for different purposes.
>>
>> Clearly, you've never used NodeJS.
> 
> I don't.
> 
> But I must admit that I find it very difficult to see the relation
> between:
> 1) whether one has used node.js 2) whether one is aware that the
> percentage of different usages (web
>     client side, web server side, smartphone app, desktop app,
>     non-web server side, batch oriented) are very different in Java and
>     JavaScript
> 
>>                                    JavaScript and Java might be very
>> different but that does not mean anything. They are two general-purpose
>> languages, and you can resolve the same problems with them.
> 
> The implicit assumption you are making that because a language can do a
> task, then it is as good as any other language for the task is
> fundamental flawed.
> 
> Different languages are have different strong sides and weak side. As a
> consequence different tasks suggest different languages. In which case
> it makes sense to train students in multiple languages that are
> significant different.
>
Agreed. 

I had a brief tussle with JavaScript and gave up on it because:

1) I like strongly typed languages because I appreciate the compile-time 
error checking that these languages support. At the time I tried it, 
JavaScript seemed to have a policy of leaving all error detection until 
the flawed statement was actually executed. Of course, this has major 
implications for unit test coverage, but somehow I doubt that this is 
widely understood.

Even awk, a traditional UNIX scripting language with a compile-and-go 
style of runtime interpreter has always been much better at error 
detection than JavaScript was in my experience.

2) I learn languages best by reading books but I was utterly unable to 
find even a barely adequate book on JavaScript. The O'Reilly book I 
eventually ended up with was one of their worst, little more than a 
recipe book for JavaScript fragments. It had no satisfactory description 
of the language constructs and syntax. Even comp.lang.javascript was 
unable to suggest a good book.


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Javascript replacing Java? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 07:24 -0700
  Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-03 10:51 -0400
    Re: Javascript replacing Java? Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-04 05:52 +0800
      Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-03 23:14 -0400
        Re: Javascript replacing Java? a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-05-05 14:44 -0700
          Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-05 22:28 -0400
            Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-06 13:25 +0000
              Re: Javascript replacing Java? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 05:14 -0700
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-08 17:58 +0000
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                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-08 22:23 +0000
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              Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-14 20:30 -0400
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-15 11:55 +0000
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 10:46 -0700
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-15 19:49 +0000
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                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-16 10:43 +0000
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