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Re: Javascript replacing Java?

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On Mon, 08 May 2017 13:12:43 -0700, Eric Douglas wrote:

> On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> My first languages, in order, were:
>> Algol 60, PLAN (ICL 1900 macro assembler) and COBOL.
>> 
> My first language was BASIC, in 8th grade on TRS-80s.  My first college
> course was COBOL (what most businesses used before Java was invented).
> My brother learned C, Fortran, Pascal, assembler, so I can only guess
> those are more used in AI.
>
I was talking 1966/67 when the only student-accessable computer at my uni 
was an Elliott 503 scientific machine that only spoke Algol 60 and its 
own, fairly nasty, assembler. Admin had an IBM 1401 but us oiks never 
even saw it.

After uni I joined ICL and learned PLAN, and then COBOL about two years 
later. 
 
>> I don't think that SQL can be meaningfully taught as a stand-alone
>> language. Rather, it should be taught as part of a RDBMS module which
>> would also include data modelling and normalisation,
>> Entity-relationship diagramming, SQL, ODBC and JDBC programming. I'd
>> use PostgreSQL as the course DBMS because its SQL dialect has fewer
>> non-standard features that its rivals and its a FOSS database.
>>  
> I would think data modeling and normalization can be an entire course,
> and should probably be a prerequisite to SQL.  SQL can easily be it's
> own course covering transaction commit/rollback, functions,
> optimization, and joins and unions.
> 
Yes, agreed. I don't see a lot of point in teaching SQL to anybody who 
doesn't have a decent grounding in data modelling, a reasonable grasp of 
what a relational database can do and some idea of tuning it. I've seen 
far too much horrid, inefficient and plain unsafe SQL written by people 
who plainly didn't understand how an RDBMS works. Oddly enough, a lot of 
it was written by self-taught Access 'programmers'.
 
> HTML and CSS started as a markup language, just universal tags to make
> text and pictures look pretty.  Our current project sounds more like
> programming, writing a web page that looks good on a desktop and on any
> mobile device that has a push button that can open a file browser on the
> desktop or activate the camera on a mobile device... this course should
> probably be a prerequisite to the Javascript course and surely to the
> PHP course.
>
Yes, pretty much agree. Writing PHP can be proper programming, especially 
if its generating whole pages, but OTOH is becomes quite trivial if its 
just small inserts in what's basically an HTML page.

I looked at Javascript, decided I don't like it, and don't/won't use it 
now: Instead I'll write more complex PHP if I need to, or just use Java 
with Swing and JDBC as needed.


I used to write quite a bit of BASIC when it was about the only language 
a microcomputer could speak apart from assembler. However, as soon as I 
could, I moved on to assembler, PL/9 and C via COBOL - yep, at one point 
I had a COBOL compiler that ran well, if a little slowly, on a 2 MHz 6809-
based box with 48KB RAM and 5.25" floppies.


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Javascript replacing Java? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 07:24 -0700
  Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-03 10:51 -0400
    Re: Javascript replacing Java? Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-04 05:52 +0800
      Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-03 23:14 -0400
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          Re: Javascript replacing Java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-05-05 22:28 -0400
            Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-06 13:25 +0000
              Re: Javascript replacing Java? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 05:14 -0700
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-08 17:58 +0000
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 13:12 -0700
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-08 22:23 +0000
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                Re: Javascript replacing Java? a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 10:46 -0700
                Re: Javascript replacing Java? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-05-15 19:49 +0000
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