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| Started by | Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2017-02-26 14:20 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-03-01 12:16 -0800 |
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eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 14:20 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-02-26 17:57 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-26 23:15 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 22:04 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 02:49 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 11:15 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 13:10 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 16:51 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 22:47 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 21:15 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 01:08 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 23:21 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 03:22 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:45 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:42 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-11 14:33 +0000
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-11 11:06 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 09:58 +0000
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 03:42 -0700
Re: eForth specific words? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-03-02 15:37 +1100
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 00:40 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 21:57 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 03:13 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 03:29 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 10:49 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:13 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-11 12:39 +0000
Re: eForth specific words? pbro <peter040@sympatico.ca> - 2017-03-11 13:09 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 10:22 +0000
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 03:57 -0700
Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 15:03 +0000
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 09:42 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 10:27 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 11:12 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:19 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 14:34 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:16 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:08 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 11:22 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:29 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 14:54 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 18:00 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-01 13:33 +0100
Re: eForth specific words? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 06:19 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:17 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 09:54 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:21 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 11:08 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 09:17 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 09:38 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 12:34 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:23 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 11:49 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 15:14 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 12:39 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 15:04 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 14:31 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:44 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 23:11 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 23:22 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 01:26 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-28 00:58 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 10:24 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 01:25 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 03:44 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:16 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 20:03 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 12:12 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:19 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 16:49 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 15:07 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:19 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-02-26 20:15 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 20:15 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 18:20 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-02-26 20:33 -0600
Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:18 -0500
Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 03:19 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 08:08 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-02-28 19:30 +1100
Re: eForth specific words? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 11:43 -0800
Re: eForth specific words? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 12:16 -0800
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 00:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o98b5f$63n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55356 |
On 3/1/2017 11:37 PM, HAA wrote: > Paul Rubin wrote: >> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes: >>> The eBooks are the taster and to make availibility known and read them >>> anywhere - send the $ 25 directly to Ting and you get documentation >>> and the full source code as for the last 10 years. >> >> Do you mean for MSP430 eForth? It's interesting but I don't feel likely >> to use it. I liked reading the eForth source code from Bill Muench's >> site but I think that was enough to understand the idea. >> >> The book I'm specifically interested in is Footsteps in an Empty Valley, >> which is about the Novix. $25 to Ting sounds fine if I can get an >> unrestricted pdf of it. That way I can read it anywhere without needing >> Amazon's permission (by using software they control). Let me know. >> >>> I am trying to promote Forth, but it seems obvious that the Vampire >>> League prevails - suck it out of them for free and then make money >>> with it - Why not try it in in your corner shop and it is called >>> STEALING and is simply a criminal offence. >> >> Offering to pay for a book is called stealing??! I don't know how you >> figure that. You're asking me to buy a DRM book which means that it >> will stop working if Amazon stops supporting the DRM software. If >> anyone is potentially stealing in that picture, it is Amazon. I prefer >> the traditional way of buying books, which means after I buy it I can >> read it anytime I want without needing someone else's permission. >> Amazon is trying to change that deal in ways that I don't like. > > Well it's all about money isn't it. If they (i.e. any commercial interest) > can find a way to lock you into something that benefits them, they will. > While no longer fashionable I prefer to buy music on pressed CD's for > all the reasons you give. I'm not clear why. The last CD I bought (other than directly from the muscians) was DRM protected so it was unpleasant to play in a computers. The intertrack gaps would produce very annoying squeals, totally countering the comfort I would get from the music. They literally sabotaged their own CD. I seem to recall that like your experience with DRM documents, I ended up ripping the music off the CD so that I could listen to it on the computer without interference. Like I said, that was the last CD I bought in a music store. -- Rick C
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 21:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87y3wodxw3.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #55359 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: > I'm not clear why. The last CD I bought (other than directly from the > muscians) was DRM protected so it was unpleasant to play in a > computers. I think that happens sometimes but it never got a lot of traction, so most CD's even nowadays don't have it.
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 03:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <00af304d-b789-43da-a107-6f26f6509cc7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55289 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: > >>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good > >>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through > >>>>> experimentation. > >>>>> > >>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private > >>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it > >>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document > >>>>> describing what all the words do. > >>>> > >>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>>> > >>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's > >>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an > >>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect > >>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese > >>>> accent. :-) > >>>> > >>>> Mike B. > >>> > >>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. > >>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. > >>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. > >>> > >>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. > >>> > >>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. > >>> > >>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>> > >>> I might consider seperate legal steps. > >>> > >> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was > >> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install > >> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you > >> can't exit. > >> > >> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but > >> apparently that is not good enough for some. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cecil - k5nwa > > > > Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. > > > If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing > DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several > software applications. > > I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > bought from you at Amazon. > > That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be > used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the > file to quite a few formats. > > Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to > legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy > protection and distribute the copyrighted material. > > Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones > hard work. > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa Thanks Cecil, If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league.
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 03:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <35db2921-cb0a-45c9-b1be-2ae3d09b5092@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55294 |
On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:13:34 UTC, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > > On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > > >> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: > > >>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good > > >>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through > > >>>>> experimentation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private > > >>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it > > >>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document > > >>>>> describing what all the words do. > > >>>> > > >>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > > >>>> > > >>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's > > >>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an > > >>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect > > >>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese > > >>>> accent. :-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Mike B. > > >>> > > >>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. > > >>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. > > >>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. > > >>> > > >>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. > > >>> > > >>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. > > >>> > > >>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > > >>> > > >>> I might consider seperate legal steps. > > >>> > > >> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was > > >> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install > > >> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you > > >> can't exit. > > >> > > >> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but > > >> apparently that is not good enough for some. > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Cecil - k5nwa > > > > > > Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. > > > > > If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing > > DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several > > software applications. > > > > I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > > to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > > 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > > bought from you at Amazon. > > > > That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be > > used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the > > file to quite a few formats. > > > > Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to > > legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy > > protection and distribute the copyrighted material. > > > > Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones > > hard work. > > > > -- > > Cecil - k5nwa > > Thanks Cecil, > > If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league. Doesn't seem appropriate. Cecil was not advocating the removal of DRM from publications; he was merely pointing out how trivial it now is to do so. When it *is* so trivial to remove the DRM, it does cause one to question the validity/point of applying DRM in the first place. I can't imagine the Forth market being large enough to warrant the piracy of publications, especially when people in the Forth pretty much know each other. You've been very gracious to the Forth community for producing these publications and I'm grateful to you. I guess these pirate sites just scrape everything they can from the web somehow, regardless of popularity. Given how cheap these Forth publications are, you'd have to be nuts to choose to get them from a pirate site, with all the security/virus risks that that entails! Mark
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 10:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <79522649-8a17-4b00-ac4b-88f93095a3ab@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55296 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:29:15 AM UTC, Mark Wills wrote: > On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:13:34 UTC, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > > > On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > > > >> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > > >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: > > > >>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good > > > >>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through > > > >>>>> experimentation. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private > > > >>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it > > > >>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document > > > >>>>> describing what all the words do. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's > > > >>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an > > > >>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect > > > >>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese > > > >>>> accent. :-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mike B. > > > >>> > > > >>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. > > > >>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. > > > >>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. > > > >>> > > > >>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. > > > >>> > > > >>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. > > > >>> > > > >>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > > > >>> > > > >>> I might consider seperate legal steps. > > > >>> > > > >> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was > > > >> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install > > > >> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you > > > >> can't exit. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but > > > >> apparently that is not good enough for some. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Cecil - k5nwa > > > > > > > > Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. > > > > > > > If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing > > > DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several > > > software applications. > > > > > > I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > > > to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > > > 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > > > bought from you at Amazon. > > > > > > That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be > > > used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the > > > file to quite a few formats. > > > > > > Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to > > > legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy > > > protection and distribute the copyrighted material. > > > > > > Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones > > > hard work. > > > > > > -- > > > Cecil - k5nwa > > > > Thanks Cecil, > > > > If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league. > > Doesn't seem appropriate. Cecil was not advocating the removal of DRM from > publications; he was merely pointing out how trivial it now is to do so. > When it *is* so trivial to remove the DRM, it does cause one to question > the validity/point of applying DRM in the first place. > > I can't imagine the Forth market being large enough to warrant the piracy > of publications, especially when people in the Forth pretty much know each > other. You've been very gracious to the Forth community for producing these > publications and I'm grateful to you. I guess these pirate sites just scrape > everything they can from the web somehow, regardless of popularity. Given > how cheap these Forth publications are, you'd have to be nuts to choose > to get them from a pirate site, with all the security/virus risks that that > entails! > > Mark Disagreed. He pointed out > > > I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > > > to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > > > 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > > > bought from you at Amazon. So telling people how to do it. So teaching how to steal. This type of behaviour pisses me off. Such a little market, so only small criminals - or better put: stealing from your friends in the little Forth community or enabling the others to do it. So, everybody here knows each other - one rips it off and shows the other friends - you might want to go back to how this whole issue started.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o976d0$vsm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55312 |
On 3/1/2017 1:49 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:29:15 AM UTC, Mark Wills wrote: >> On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:13:34 UTC, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good >>>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through >>>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private >>>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it >>>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect >>>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese >>>>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>>>> can't exit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>>> >>>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. >>>>> >>>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >>>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >>>> software applications. >>>> >>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >>>> bought from you at Amazon. >>>> >>>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >>>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >>>> file to quite a few formats. >>>> >>>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >>>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >>>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >>>> >>>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >>>> hard work. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>> >>> Thanks Cecil, >>> >>> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf >>> -I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware >>> that you have joined the Forth Killer league. >> >> Doesn't seem appropriate. Cecil was not advocating the removal of DRM from >> publications; he was merely pointing out how trivial it now is to do so. >> When it *is* so trivial to remove the DRM, it does cause one to question >> the validity/point of applying DRM in the first place. >> >> I can't imagine the Forth market being large enough to warrant the piracy >> of publications, especially when people in the Forth pretty much know each >> other. You've been very gracious to the Forth community for producing these >> publications and I'm grateful to you. I guess these pirate sites just scrape >> everything they can from the web somehow, regardless of popularity. Given >> how cheap these Forth publications are, you'd have to be nuts to choose >> to get them from a pirate site, with all the security/virus risks that that >> entails! >> >> Mark > > Disagreed. He pointed out > >>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >>>> bought from you at Amazon. > > So telling people how to do it. So teaching how to steal. This type > ofbehaviour pisses me off. Such a little market, so only small > criminals - or better put: stealing from your friends in the little > Forth community or enabling the others to do it. > > So, everybody here knows each other - one rips it off and shows the > other friends - you might want to go back to how this whole issue > started. You are over reacting and making a fool of yourself. No one is advocating anything and no one is teaching anything. He simply reported that he tried it on legally owned pubs and it worked for some. I am curious. How much money do you think has been lost in the Forth community due to piracy? -- Rick C
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| From | Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-11 12:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20170311123913.599bda9a@t530.lan> |
| In reply to | #55312 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:49:04 -0800 (PST) JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: > So telling people how to do it. So teaching how to steal. This > type of behaviour pisses me off. Such a little market, so only > small criminals - or better put: stealing from your friends in > the little Forth community or enabling the others to do it. That is not how it would work out if I chose to remove DRM from my copies of your books: I bough the second book in your series, but have not yet seen it. I've thought a few times about installing Amazon software in order to read it, and decided not to. Other books in the series do interest me, but there is no point in buying, because I cannot read them. If I did find out how to quickly remove the DRM protection, then I would buy more titles from the series. I do have one Amazon self-published book but it is on paper, published via lulu.com. However, they also do eBooks, but no longer support DRM (AFAICT) [1] Jan Coombs -- [1] http://connect.lulu.com/t5/forums/searchpage/tab/message?filter=location&location=Category%3Aen_US&nospellcheck=true&q=DRM
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| From | pbro <peter040@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-11 13:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <222263f8-f75a-4ae0-ac81-09fbb6d26de6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55622 |
Check out Apprentice Alf for removing drm.
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| From | Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 10:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20170312102205.08613172@t530.lan> |
| In reply to | #55638 |
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 13:09:03 -0800 (PST) pbro <peter040@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Check out Apprentice Alf for removing drm. Very informative, thanks. The clear reminders from Apprentice Alf &co of the acceptable limits of (legal?) usage were noted, but these do not affect my normal behaviour. I looked for my copy of "Learning Programming with MyCo: Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC", gave up, then looked into my Amazon account. Because I have not "setup an approved device", this book cannot be downloaded. Whether my Kobo or older eReader are approved I do not yet know. It also cannot be viewed in a browser because "You have selected content that is not compatible with MR's Kindle Cloud Reader" To resolve this problem there are two links in this message: "Buy a compatible device" and "free Kindle reading app". When selecting either of these I get a page that says: "Looking for something? We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site." To be continued... maybe. The Kindle forth books are a simple and attractive option for many, but may not work for me. Jan Coombs --
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 03:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0e4fd2ea-4d77-4ab5-8255-a4be4b356ff3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55679 |
On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 10:22:06 AM UTC, Jan Coombs wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 13:09:03 -0800 (PST) > pbro <peter040@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Check out Apprentice Alf for removing drm. > > Very informative, thanks. The clear reminders from Apprentice Alf > &co of the acceptable limits of (legal?) usage were noted, but > these do not affect my normal behaviour. > > I looked for my copy of "Learning Programming with MyCo: > Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC", gave up, then > looked into my Amazon account. > > Because I have not "setup an approved device", this book cannot > be downloaded. Whether my Kobo or older eReader are approved I > do not yet know. > > It also cannot be viewed in a browser because "You have selected > content that is not compatible with MR's Kindle Cloud Reader" > > To resolve this problem there are two links in this message: "Buy > a compatible device" and "free Kindle reading app". > > When selecting either of these I get a page that says: "Looking > for something? We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a > functioning page on our site." > > To be continued... maybe. The Kindle forth books are a simple > and attractive option for many, but may not work for me. > > Jan Coombs > -- I downloaded the PC version of the Kindle Reader a long time ago and it all worked fine under Windows from then on. amazon actually asks when I buy a new eBook where I want to read it and it is mostly the tablet - but PC is excellent to use, especially if you want to take screen prints of schematics or pictures. With Forth LITE Tutorial I actually had two windows open while testing: one with the eBook and one with a VFX version - you can read and try at the same time. The same should work with gforth and others. Just tried out the cloud reader version - signed in with my account - and surprise - all of the ebooks I ever bought are there and readable.
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| From | Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 15:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20170312150301.1d2201dc@t530.lan> |
| In reply to | #55687 |
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 03:57:47 -0700 (PDT) JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: > I downloaded the PC version of the Kindle Reader ... This is what some want to avoid. Also, I have nowhere I want to run a .exe file with unknown content. > Just tried out the cloud reader version > - signed in with my account > - and surprise > - all of the ebooks I ever bought are there and readable. I opened a cloud account with Amazon, but had to agree to pay them £55 in June, then transferred your book into it. So now I can read it until later today when I cancel the cloud account. This is still not the way I would access a book. I paid an extra £0.89 over the Kindle price to get the self published[1] "Toxic Teeth"[2] on paper. Although I would prefer electronic copy, the Kindle route is too 'complex' for me. Jan Coombs -- [1] http://www.lulu.com/about/our-story http://www.lulu.com [2] https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1365316386/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 09:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o96q11$fh8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55294 |
On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good >>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through >>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private >>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it >>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect >>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese >>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike B. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>> >>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>> >>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>> >>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>> >>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>> >>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>> can't exit. >>>> >>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>> >>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. >>> >> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >> software applications. >> >> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >> bought from you at Amazon. >> >> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >> file to quite a few formats. >> >> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >> >> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >> hard work. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > Thanks Cecil, > > If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league. > Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to give lazy people ideas. The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon shenanigans. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 10:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o96sm9$ood$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55302 |
On 3/1/2017 9:42 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, >>>>>>> hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it >>>>>>>> is a good >>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in >>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, >>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically >>>>>>> incorrect >>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a >>>>>>> Chinese >>>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for >>>>>> copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating >>>>>> copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you >>>>>> published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>>> >>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>>> can't exit. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>> >>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you >>>> kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at >>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you >>>> can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are >>>> some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on >>>> it of the one I formatted and published. >>>> >>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >>> software applications. >>> >>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >>> bought from you at Amazon. >>> >>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >>> file to quite a few formats. >>> >>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >>> >>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >>> hard work. >>> >>> -- >>> Cecil - k5nwa >> >> Thanks Cecil, >> >> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I >> have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that >> you have joined the Forth Killer league. >> > Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how > easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke > and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not > even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and > even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid > Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary > I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if > you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to > give lazy people ideas. > > The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such > as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time > about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon > shenanigans. > I guess he is, I just got unfriended on Facebook, makes you wonder about people, reacting without reading my comment to see that I was not advocating stealing of eBooks but the contrary. Life goes on. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 11:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9ac9f274-15a4-4a71-a2eb-2e13115dbc9f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55307 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:27:43 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 3/1/2017 9:42 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > >> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > >>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > >>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: > >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, > >>>>>>> hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it > >>>>>>>> is a good > >>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out > >>>>>>>> through > >>>>>>>> experimentation. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in > >>>>>>>> private > >>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, > >>>>>>>> but it > >>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document > >>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's > >>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an > >>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically > >>>>>>> incorrect > >>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a > >>>>>>> Chinese > >>>>>>> accent. :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike B. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for > >>>>>> copyright violation. And will let them do their work. > >>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. > >>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating > >>>>>> copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you > >>>>>> published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. > >>>>>> > >>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was > >>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install > >>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you > >>>>> can't exit. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but > >>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Cecil - k5nwa > >>>> > >>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you > >>>> kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at > >>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you > >>>> can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are > >>>> some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on > >>>> it of the one I formatted and published. > >>>> > >>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing > >>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several > >>> software applications. > >>> > >>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > >>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > >>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > >>> bought from you at Amazon. > >>> > >>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be > >>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the > >>> file to quite a few formats. > >>> > >>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to > >>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy > >>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. > >>> > >>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones > >>> hard work. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Cecil - k5nwa > >> > >> Thanks Cecil, > >> > >> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I > >> have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that > >> you have joined the Forth Killer league. > >> > > Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how > > easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke > > and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not > > even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and > > even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid > > Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary > > I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if > > you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to > > give lazy people ideas. > > > > The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such > > as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time > > about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon > > shenanigans. > > > > I guess he is, I just got unfriended on Facebook, makes you wonder about > people, reacting without reading my comment to see that I was not > advocating stealing of eBooks but the contrary. > > Life goes on. > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa Sorry Cecil, if you want to show your intelligence by teaching the whole community how to open the difficult lock - even if it is your own lock as example - you are just plain silly as you do not grasp what you are doing. Showing others how to to start criminal activity. Please do not buy any further of my eBooks - you are definitely not part of my target community.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o976og$vsm$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55314 |
On 3/1/2017 2:12 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:27:43 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 3/1/2017 9:42 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >>> On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, >>>>>>>>> hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it >>>>>>>>>> is a good >>>>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out >>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in >>>>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, >>>>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically >>>>>>>>> incorrect >>>>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a >>>>>>>>> Chinese >>>>>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for >>>>>>>> copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating >>>>>>>> copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you >>>>>>>> published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>>>>> can't exit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>>>> >>>>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you >>>>>> kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at >>>>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you >>>>>> can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are >>>>>> some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on >>>>>> it of the one I formatted and published. >>>>>> >>>>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >>>>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >>>>> software applications. >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >>>>> bought from you at Amazon. >>>>> >>>>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >>>>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >>>>> file to quite a few formats. >>>>> >>>>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >>>>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >>>>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >>>>> >>>>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >>>>> hard work. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>> >>>> Thanks Cecil, >>>> >>>> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I >>>> have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that >>>> you have joined the Forth Killer league. >>>> >>> Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how >>> easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke >>> and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not >>> even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and >>> even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid >>> Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary >>> I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if >>> you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to >>> give lazy people ideas. >>> >>> The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such >>> as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time >>> about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon >>> shenanigans. >>> >> >> I guess he is, I just got unfriended on Facebook, makes you wonder about >> people, reacting without reading my comment to see that I was not >> advocating stealing of eBooks but the contrary. >> >> Life goes on. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > Sorry Cecil, if you want to show your intelligence by teaching the whole community how to open the difficult lock - even if it is your own lock as example - you are just plain silly as you do not grasp what you are doing. Showing others how to to start criminal activity. > > Please do not buy any further of my eBooks - you are definitely not part of my target community. Not that I was inclined to buy DRM protected works anyway, but I certainly won't be buying anything you have published. You need to learn how to treat your customers. -- Rick C
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o97b56$hvp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55314 |
On 3/1/2017 1:12 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:27:43 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 3/1/2017 9:42 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >>> On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, >>>>>>>>> hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it >>>>>>>>>> is a good >>>>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out >>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in >>>>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, >>>>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically >>>>>>>>> incorrect >>>>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a >>>>>>>>> Chinese >>>>>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for >>>>>>>> copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating >>>>>>>> copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you >>>>>>>> published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>>>>> can't exit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>>>> >>>>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you >>>>>> kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at >>>>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you >>>>>> can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are >>>>>> some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on >>>>>> it of the one I formatted and published. >>>>>> >>>>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >>>>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >>>>> software applications. >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >>>>> bought from you at Amazon. >>>>> >>>>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >>>>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >>>>> file to quite a few formats. >>>>> >>>>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >>>>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >>>>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >>>>> >>>>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >>>>> hard work. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>> >>>> Thanks Cecil, >>>> >>>> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I >>>> have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that >>>> you have joined the Forth Killer league. >>>> >>> Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how >>> easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke >>> and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not >>> even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and >>> even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid >>> Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary >>> I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if >>> you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to >>> give lazy people ideas. >>> >>> The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such >>> as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time >>> about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon >>> shenanigans. >>> >> >> I guess he is, I just got unfriended on Facebook, makes you wonder about >> people, reacting without reading my comment to see that I was not >> advocating stealing of eBooks but the contrary. >> >> Life goes on. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > Sorry Cecil, if you want to show your intelligence by teaching the whole community how to open the difficult lock - even if it is your own lock as example - you are just plain silly as you do not grasp what you are doing. Showing others how to to start criminal activity. > > Please do not buy any further of my eBooks - you are definitely not part of my target community. > Interesting, what software did I used, what was the procedure? You would not know because I didn't spell it out. You don't think people know the stuff is out there in the Internet? If it makes you feel better by being mad, so be it, your choice, obviously it's becoming apparent to me that it's no great loss if that how you react. Bye.... -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o976hq$vsm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55307 |
On 3/1/2017 11:27 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > On 3/1/2017 9:42 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >> On 3/1/2017 5:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, >>>>>>>> hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it >>>>>>>>> is a good >>>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in >>>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, >>>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. >>>>>>>> Ting's >>>>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically >>>>>>>> incorrect >>>>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a >>>>>>>> Chinese >>>>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for >>>>>>> copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating >>>>>>> copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you >>>>>>> published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>>>> can't exit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, >>>>>> but >>>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>>>> >>>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you >>>>> kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at >>>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you >>>>> can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are >>>>> some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on >>>>> it of the one I formatted and published. >>>>> >>>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of >>>> removing >>>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and >>>> several >>>> software applications. >>>> >>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four >>>> books I >>>> bought from you at Amazon. >>>> >>>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >>>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >>>> file to quite a few formats. >>>> >>>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an >>>> inconvenience to >>>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >>>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >>>> >>>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >>>> hard work. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>> >>> Thanks Cecil, >>> >>> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I >>> have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that >>> you have joined the Forth Killer league. >>> >> Are you mad at me? I always pay for my stuff, I' just wanted to see how >> easy it was to break DRM on Kindles. It demonstrated that DRM is a joke >> and it only is an inconvenienced to the honest the dishonest are not >> even slowed down by DRM. As I explained before I bought the Zen book and >> even though the book had links to download the software for free I paid >> Dr. Ting for a copy, I'm not trying to rip off anyone, on the contrary >> I'm going out of my way to support the Forth industry. I don't know if >> you noticed but I did not name the software that was used to test DRM to >> give lazy people ideas. >> >> The real culprit here besides the crooks is Amazon who make people such >> as myself who has spent $1000s of dollars on eBooks worry all the time >> about the books becoming useless at a future date because of Amazon >> shenanigans. >> > > I guess he is, I just got unfriended on Facebook, makes you wonder about > people, reacting without reading my comment to see that I was not > advocating stealing of eBooks but the contrary. > > Life goes on. He very clearly is over reacting. I understand you were not advocating anything. You simply reported what you found. The funny part is as someone else pointed out, there is very likely no piracy going on as there are so few who would even be interested in these pubs. It is a bit like Trump talking about the millions of illegal votes cast in the US Presidential election. -- Rick C
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o97632$rqn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55294 |
On 3/1/2017 6:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good >>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through >>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private >>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it >>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document >>>>>>> describing what all the words do. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's >>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an >>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect >>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese >>>>>> accent. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike B. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. >>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. >>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. >>>>> >>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. >>>>> >>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. >>>>> >>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf >>>>> >>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. >>>>> >>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was >>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install >>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you >>>> can't exit. >>>> >>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but >>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cecil - k5nwa >>> >>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. >>> >> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing >> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several >> software applications. >> >> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it >> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about >> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I >> bought from you at Amazon. >> >> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be >> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the >> file to quite a few formats. >> >> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to >> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy >> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. >> >> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones >> hard work. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > Thanks Cecil, > > If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league. You are as bad a Hugh. Anyone who posts something you don't like makes them evil. Cecil clearly said he *buys* the books and software, "I also bought his latest literature on the esp8266 and bought the software". What do you want, a total ban on talking about DRM? -- Rick C
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 11:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <786442c4-dd7d-44f9-a2aa-59b221058536@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55313 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:08:09 PM UTC, rickman wrote: > On 3/1/2017 6:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > >>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote: > >>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good > >>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through > >>>>>>> experimentation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private > >>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it > >>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document > >>>>>>> describing what all the words do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's > >>>>>> literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an > >>>>>> eccentric sort of way. Although it is probably politically incorrect > >>>>>> to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese > >>>>>> accent. :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike B. > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work. > >>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free. > >>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing. > >>>>> > >>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps. > >>>>> > >>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was > >>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install > >>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you > >>>> can't exit. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but > >>>> apparently that is not good enough for some. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cecil - k5nwa > >>> > >>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM , as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published. > >>> > >> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing > >> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several > >> software applications. > >> > >> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it > >> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about > >> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I > >> bought from you at Amazon. > >> > >> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be > >> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the > >> file to quite a few formats. > >> > >> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to > >> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy > >> protection and distribute the copyrighted material. > >> > >> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones > >> hard work. > >> > >> -- > >> Cecil - k5nwa > > > > Thanks Cecil, > > > > If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf - I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware that you have joined the Forth Killer league. > > You are as bad a Hugh. Anyone who posts something you don't like makes > them evil. > > Cecil clearly said he *buys* the books and software, "I also bought his > latest literature on the esp8266 and bought the software". What do you > want, a total ban on talking about DRM? > > > -- > > Rick C I take this as friendly insult ... I do not have any esp I use the kindle system as the one that works best for me to promote Forth; if people do not like kindle do not buy them. I stay within the rules and legal system, others don't If cracking DRM , showing how to do it, and then using my eBooks to demonstrate how to do it , i do dare to comment. Nothing to do with what you are insinuating.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 11:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87a894hk22.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #55319 |
JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes: > If cracking DRM , showing how to do it, and then using my eBooks to > demonstrate how to do it , i do dare to comment. Cecil didn't tell anyone how to crack DRM. He said it could be cracked, which we all already knew anyway. He didn't say how to do it.
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