Re: eForth specific words?

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: eForth specific words?
Date	2017-03-01 14:13 -0500
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On 3/1/2017 1:49 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:29:15 AM UTC, Mark Wills wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:13:34 UTC, JUERGEN  wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>> On 2/27/2017 3:10 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 5:15:49 PM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/27/2017 4:49 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:04:34 AM UTC, Michael Barry wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 5:57:53 PM UTC-8, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I gave up on eForth due to the lack of documentation. AFAIK, it is a good
>>>>>>>>> Forth system, but I don't have time to figure this stuff out through
>>>>>>>>> experimentation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck! If you obtain any documentation, send it to me in private
>>>>>>>>> email. All I have is what I downloaded from the offete website, but it
>>>>>>>>> doesn't really tell me anything --- there is no reference document
>>>>>>>>> describing what all the words do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that Ray Duncan didn't have a very high opinion of Dr. Ting's
>>>>>>>>  literature, but I find him to be entertaining and charming, in an
>>>>>>>>  eccentric sort of way.  Although it is probably politically incorrect
>>>>>>>>  to say so, I found it helpful to read along in my head with a Chinese
>>>>>>>>  accent. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Barry, I have just reported you to Kindle / amazon for copyright violation. And will let them do their work.
>>>>>>> You ripped my eBook and are republishing it for free.
>>>>>>> Even if you have not done this yourself you are still violating copyright as you know it very well and you are still distributing it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Copyright is quite clearly stated in the first lines of what you published here in full knowledge of what you are distributing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I assume that Ting is not very happy about it either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://filescdn.com/af4f2d7tc76z/jsgsa.Zen.and.the.Forth.Language.EFORTH.for.the.MSP430.from.Texas.Instruments.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I might consider seperate legal steps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought the book so I already have a copy but I thought it was
>>>>>> something new but the site is extremely suspicious, asking to install
>>>>>> software to download a PDF file, locking you in the web page so you
>>>>>> can't exit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for publishing these books from Dr. Ting for very low cost, but
>>>>>> apparently that is not good enough for some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecil, the PDF DISCUSSED HERE IS the rip-off of the ebook you kindly  bought from the Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM  ,  as you can see when you just compare the text on the first page - with are some lines of what I posted from the rip-off - even with my name on it of the one I formatted and published.
>>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested I looked up on Google on the subject of removing
>>>> DRM from Kindle files, I found quite a few detailed articles and several
>>>> software applications.
>>>>
>>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it
>>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about
>>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I
>>>> bought from you at Amazon.
>>>>
>>>> That was the first attempt, there are other plugins for example to be
>>>> used with Calibre and it removes DRM copy protection and converts the
>>>> file to quite a few formats.
>>>>
>>>> Moral of the story Amazon copy protection is only is an inconvenience to
>>>> legitimate owners, but dishonest persons can easily remove copy
>>>> protection and distribute the copyrighted material.
>>>>
>>>> Makes one not want to be an author because it's so easy to steal ones
>>>> hard work.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>
>>> Thanks Cecil,
>>>
>>> If I get pissed off enough I will just remove the whole Bookshelf
>>> -I have it in different versions anyway. Thanks for making me aware
 >>> that you have joined the Forth Killer league.
>>
>> Doesn't seem appropriate. Cecil was not advocating the removal of DRM from
>> publications; he was merely pointing out how trivial it now is to do so.
>> When it *is* so trivial to remove the DRM, it does cause one to question
>> the validity/point of applying DRM in the first place.
>>
>> I can't imagine the Forth market being large enough to warrant the piracy
>> of publications, especially when people in the Forth pretty much know each
>> other. You've been very gracious to the Forth community for producing these
>> publications and I'm grateful to you. I guess these pirate sites just scrape
>> everything they can from the web somehow, regardless of popularity. Given
>> how cheap these Forth publications are, you'd have to be nuts to choose
>> to get them from a pirate site, with all the security/virus risks that that
>> entails!
>>
>> Mark
>
> Disagreed. He pointed out
>
>>>> I downloaded one because it could do bulk removal of DRM, I pointed it
>>>> to my Kindle repository on my PC and it removed protection from about
>>>> 60% of the books in a matter of a few seconds including the four books I
>>>> bought from you at Amazon.
>
> So telling people how to do it. So teaching how to steal. This type
> ofbehaviour pisses me off. Such a little market, so only small
 > criminals - or better put: stealing from your friends in the little
 > Forth community or enabling the others to do it.
>
> So, everybody here knows each other - one rips it off and shows the
 > other friends - you might want to go back to how this whole issue
 > started.

You are over reacting and making a fool of yourself.  No one is 
advocating anything and no one is teaching anything.  He simply reported 
that he tried it on legally owned pubs and it worked for some.

I am curious.  How much money do you think has been lost in the Forth 
community due to piracy?

-- 

Rick C

Thread

eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 14:20 -0800
  Re: eForth specific words? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-02-26 17:57 -0800
    Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-26 23:15 -0600
    Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 22:04 -0800
      Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 02:49 -0800
        Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 11:15 -0600
          Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 13:10 -0800
            Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 16:51 -0600
            Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 22:47 -0600
              Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 21:15 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 01:08 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 23:21 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 03:22 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:45 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:42 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-11 14:33 +0000
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-11 11:06 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 09:58 +0000
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 03:42 -0700
                Re: eForth specific words? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-03-02 15:37 +1100
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 00:40 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 21:57 -0800
              Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 03:13 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 03:29 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 10:49 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:13 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-11 12:39 +0000
                Re: eForth specific words? pbro <peter040@sympatico.ca> - 2017-03-11 13:09 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 10:22 +0000
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 03:57 -0700
                Re: eForth specific words? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-03-12 15:03 +0000
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 09:42 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 10:27 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 11:12 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:19 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 14:34 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:16 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:08 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-01 11:22 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:29 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 14:54 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 18:00 -0500
              Re: eForth specific words? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-03-01 13:33 +0100
                Re: eForth specific words? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 06:19 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 14:17 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-01 09:54 -0600
        Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:21 -0500
      Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 11:08 -0600
        Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 09:17 -0800
          Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 09:38 -0800
          Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 12:34 -0600
            Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:23 -0500
              Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 11:49 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 15:14 -0500
                Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 12:39 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-27 15:04 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 14:31 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:44 -0500
        Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 23:11 -0800
          Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 23:22 -0800
            Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 01:26 -0600
              Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-28 00:58 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 10:24 -0600
          Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 01:25 -0600
            Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 03:44 -0800
              Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:16 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 20:03 -0500
              Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 12:12 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:19 -0800
                Re: eForth specific words? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-28 16:49 -0600
                Re: eForth specific words? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 15:07 -0800
      Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 14:19 -0500
  Re: eForth specific words? David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-02-26 20:15 -0600
    Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-26 20:15 -0800
  Re: eForth specific words? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 18:20 -0800
    Re: eForth specific words? David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2017-02-26 20:33 -0600
      Re: eForth specific words? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:18 -0500
  Re: eForth specific words? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-27 03:19 -0800
    Re: eForth specific words? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-27 08:08 -0800
  Re: eForth specific words? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-02-28 19:30 +1100
  Re: eForth specific words? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 11:43 -0800
    Re: eForth specific words? jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 12:16 -0800

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