Re: Editor for Forth

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Editor for Forth
Date	2017-05-10 21:11 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 5/10/2017 8:59 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> On 5/10/2017 7:42 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 5/10/2017 8:05 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2017 6:06 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 5/10/2017 6:07 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>> Which programmers editor would be recommended for use with Forth? I
>>>>> would prefer something free or at least under $100 as my funds are
>>>>> rather limited.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like a programmers editor with you basic features;
>>>>>
>>>>> Able to open more than one file at a time.
>>>>> Print listings with line numbers.
>>>>> Understand Forth so it can autocomplete structures such as IF etc.
>>>>> Be able to use color to identify Forth Words, numbers, etc.
>>>>> If I have to pay money then I would like it to know how to
>>>>> interface to
>>>>> at least VFX, and SwiftForth.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some free programmer editors that can take a file to
>>>>> customize
>>>>> it to a language any suitable for Forth use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts or preferences?
>>>>
>>>> I would say Codewright, but it is unobtainium these days.  I'm
>>>> currently learning SciTE.  It is available for all PC platforms.  I'm
>>>> not doing as well as I would like because I haven't found much in the
>>>> way of learning materials.
>>>>
>>>> I had been looking at emacs.  It is available on all platforms and has
>>>> tons of learning materials.  But it seems I just can't get up the
>>>> learning curve.  They want you to learn all manner of goofy keystrokes
>>>> which would have worked well with me when I was 20, but the grey
>>>> matter has hardened too much now.
>>>>
>>>> SciTE does syntax highlighting and makes indentation easy, but I've
>>>> never found any editor that completes structures for you.  I'd like
>>>> that for VHDL.  :)
>>>>
>>>> I discovered that the IDE editor with Win32Forth has similar roots to
>>>> SciTE.  The "about" says it is based on SciEdit and it has a similar
>>>> icon.  But maybe I'm making a connection where there isn't one.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the Win32Forth IDE can be easily used for other purposes
>>>> such as connecting to remote target command lines?  If you do
>>>> embedded, that might be something to add to your list.  Emacs can do
>>>> that, but then emacs can do *anything* if you learn enough about it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unobtanium? I wondered about that until I did a search, Embarcadero, I
>>> loved Delphi and was a happy camper, then they bought Borland and raised
>>> the prices through the roof so I can no longer afford it. Borland
>>> editors for a long time had the feature of completing conditional, and
>>> loop structure for you. Visual Studio Code has that feature and I use it
>>> with Go, Python, and other languages, it's available for Windows, Linux,
>>> and Macs, but not for Forth.
>>>
>>> eMacs, and Vi are out of the running, they have an extremely steep
>>> learning curve and I rather save my brain cells for something else. For
>>> Linux platforms there is Karen which I like, and I'm not super familiar
>>> with SciTE but it's part of the apps loaded on my Linux installations, I
>>> will have to look at it in more detail.
>>
>> My copy of Codewright broke some months ago and I haven't done
>> anything requiring a text editor since.  I want to get back to the
>> embedded Forth stuff so I am forging ahead with SciTE.  I just want to
>> get past the painful part which I haven't quite done yet.
>>
>> If I find this is the editor for me - and I get done with documenting
>> some of the Mecrisp stuff, I will spend some time putting together
>> something to help others get off the ground with SciTE.
>>
>> I'm also over Thunderbird for newsgroups.  My copy is just a big piece
>> of crap.  It bogs down all the time.  If I am editing and continue
>> typing sometimes it switches windows on me and starts types it into
>> the main window with bizarre results.
>>
> Don't you have a copy of the install files? I have quite a few copies on
> paid for software scattered all over just in case

Maybe somewhere, but that was an older copy.  At one time the software 
seemed abandoned with no one selling it.  So I upgraded to the latest 
version from some web site.  After that I just copied it from machine to 
machine.  It was running on this PC for some time and when I was trying 
to fix my machine by running in "safe" mode a while back Codewright 
stopped working right.  It will run, but is in some seriously basic mode 
where it won't recognize most keystrokes like Cntl-C Cntl-V.  It's a 
shame as it was a *very* full featured editor and supported any language 
you could name.  But, time to move on as I will be working under Linux 
some anyway.  Maybe a lot...


> Thunderbird has some issues with me but I have little choice as I have
> about 70K emails I have saved over the years and converting to something
> else will be a pain. Thunderbird had some issues with taking minutes
> while going from one email to the other but now it's working fine. My
> favorite mail program was MacMail but they have changed it so much that
> it's not the same program anymore. Thunderbird is a poor second place.

I'm similarly stuck with Eudora and it's still working ok.  As my 
screens get more pixels the writing gets smaller and smaller though.  I 
found how to fix that for the messages so that's ok.  But the controls 
can be very hard to read.

-- 

Rick C

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Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 17:07 -0500
  Re: Editor for Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 15:47 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 18:52 -0500
  Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 19:06 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 19:05 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 20:42 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 19:59 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 21:11 -0400
  Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 17:36 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 07:33 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 20:39 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 07:09 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:57 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:15 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:35 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:49 +0300
      Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 23:42 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:53 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:59 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 04:32 -0400
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 05:52 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:07 +0300
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 07:10 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:10 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:15 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 07:53 +0200
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:20 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 23:44 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 08:57 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-11 04:34 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 06:29 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-11 07:05 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 08:05 -0700
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:34 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 18:21 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 21:53 -0500
                Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 23:37 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 02:50 -0500
                Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 00:11 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:41 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 15:44 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:52 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-12 02:28 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 12:43 -0400
              Re: Editor for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:17 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-13 04:39 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-11 08:33 +0100
  Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 07:09 +0300
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:22 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 08:35 +0300
      Re: Editor for Forth JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-11 00:46 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-11 00:50 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 00:32 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-11 08:03 +0000
  Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-12 04:50 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 12:54 -0400
      Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 07:09 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 13:48 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 11:10 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-05-14 14:28 -0700
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 23:02 -0400
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 00:03 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:33 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:35 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 21:16 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 22:53 -0700
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 02:51 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 00:02 -0700
          Re: Editor for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-13 13:36 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-13 09:09 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 02:41 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 10:31 -0400
  Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 16:43 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-20 15:32 -0700
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 18:57 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:16 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-20 16:40 -0700
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 22:04 -0400
              Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 07:04 +0300
        Re: Editor for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-21 06:53 +0000
          Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 10:24 +0300
            Re: Editor for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-21 14:54 +0000
          Re: Editor for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-21 20:11 +0200
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 14:23 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-21 13:23 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:15 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:33 -0500

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