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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? |
| Date | 2014-03-18 17:41 -0400 |
| Organization | Self |
| Message-ID | <5328BDA4.9020602@verizon.net> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <lftlb6$l5d$1@speranza.aioe.org> <7rv4i9tvf6v5vuv043s58uh391hs0e77lh@4ax.com> <lfuiro$5h9$1@dont-email.me> <20140314025239.18@kylheku.com> <slrnlihd4v.19sf.usenet-nospam@leptop.lan> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 03/18/2014 05:08 PM, Seebs wrote: ... > Also, back in the 90s, there was pretty poor communication between gcc > people and the ISO committee. (My impression at the time was that this was > not a case with one party clearly at fault, but rather, one of those > complicated social interactions that programmers are so bad at.) One of the key problems seemed to be that there was little or no overlap between those two groups. While many ISO committee members were familiar with gcc, I believe that when C99 was being created, none of them were gcc developers, and therefore they did not know any details about how it was implemented. Committee membership is a volunteer activity (and least in ANSI, the US member of the ISO C committee, which has a greatly disproportionate amount of influence on the C committee), and I get the impression that volunteers are seldom, if ever, rejected. Therefore, the absence of gcc developers from the committee has to be attributed to a failure by those developers to volunteer. Full voting membership is moderately expensive for an individual, particularly including the travel requirements, but it's not expensive enough to prevent many members from being individuals representing only themselves. Full membership is cheap by the standards of any organization of reasonable size, and I believe that gcc has a fairly large number of developers, with international coverage - for most of the committee's meetings, I'd expect gcc to have at least one developer within driving distance of the meeting. Even a single non-voting member of the committee who was a gcc developer would probably have substantially improved the gcc compatibility of the resulting standard.
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