Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful?

From	James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful?
Date	2014-03-18 17:41 -0400
Organization	Self
Message-ID	<5328BDA4.9020602@verizon.net> (permalink)
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On 03/18/2014 05:08 PM, Seebs wrote:
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> Also, back in the 90s, there was pretty poor communication between gcc
> people and the ISO committee. (My impression at the time was that this was
> not a case with one party clearly at fault, but rather, one of those
> complicated social interactions that programmers are so bad at.)

One of the key problems seemed to be that there was little or no overlap
between those two groups. While many ISO committee members were familiar
with gcc, I believe that when C99 was being created, none of them were
gcc developers, and therefore they did not know any details about how it
was implemented. Committee membership is a volunteer activity (and least
in ANSI, the US member of the ISO C committee, which has a greatly
disproportionate amount of influence on the C committee), and I get the
impression that volunteers are seldom, if ever, rejected. Therefore, the
absence of gcc developers from the committee has to be attributed to a
failure by those developers to volunteer.

Full voting membership is moderately expensive for an individual,
particularly including the travel requirements, but it's not expensive
enough to prevent many members from being individuals representing only
themselves. Full membership is cheap by the standards of any
organization of reasonable size, and I believe that gcc has a fairly
large number of developers, with international coverage - for most of
the committee's meetings, I'd expect gcc to have at least one developer
within driving distance of the meeting. Even a single non-voting member
of the committee who was a gcc developer would probably have
substantially improved the gcc compatibility of the resulting standard.

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Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-12 11:02 -0500
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-12 12:17 -0400
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2014-03-12 09:20 -0700
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-18 16:30 -0500
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-18 21:48 +0000
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-18 19:10 -0500
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Terence" <tbwright@bigpond.net.au> - 2014-03-19 20:39 +1100
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? ftinetti@gmail.com - 2014-03-19 03:41 -0700
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? ftinetti@gmail.com - 2014-03-18 16:45 -0700
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? dpb <none@non.net> - 2014-03-18 19:14 -0500
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-18 17:36 -0700
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-19 07:34 -0400
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-03-19 12:08 +0000
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-19 10:07 -0400
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-03-19 17:05 +0100
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-19 12:27 -0500
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? dpb <none@non.net> - 2014-03-19 13:04 -0500
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? dpb <none@non.net> - 2014-03-19 13:26 -0500
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-19 13:36 -0500
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? dpb <none@non.net> - 2014-03-19 14:02 -0500
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-19 13:36 -0500
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Gordon Sande <Gordon.Sande@gmail.com> - 2014-03-19 16:48 -0300
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Terence" <tbwright@bigpond.net.au> - 2014-03-19 20:35 +1100
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-19 12:26 -0500
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Gordon Sande <Gordon.Sande@gmail.com> - 2014-03-12 13:23 -0300
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? e p chandler <epc8@juno.com> - 2014-03-12 10:05 -0700
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-12 16:47 +0000
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-03-12 18:50 +0000
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Gordon Sande <Gordon.Sande@gmail.com> - 2014-03-12 16:16 -0300
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2014-03-12 12:49 -0700
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Qolin" <noone@nowhere.com> - 2014-03-12 21:54 +0000
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2014-03-12 16:57 -0500
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Qolin" <noone@nowhere.com> - 2014-03-12 22:00 +0000
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? John Harper <john.harper@vuw.ac.nz> - 2014-03-13 11:23 +1300
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-12 15:36 -0700
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 23:40 -0500
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-13 11:25 +0100
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Thomas Jahns <jahns@idontlikespam.dkrz.de> - 2014-03-14 11:24 +0100
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-14 23:32 -0500
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2014-03-15 13:43 +0000
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-15 16:28 +0100
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2014-03-15 16:01 +0000
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-17 08:51 +0100
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-13 11:22 +0100
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Jake <thatcadguy@gmail.com> - 2014-03-12 12:25 -0700
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? ralph <nt_consulting@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 15:34 -0500
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2014-03-13 01:06 +0000
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? fj <francois.jacq@irsn.fr> - 2014-03-12 18:31 -0700
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wclodius@earthlink.net (William Clodius) - 2014-03-12 21:08 -0600
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Dick Hendrickson <dick.hendrickson@att.net> - 2014-03-13 10:54 -0500
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-13 19:53 +0000
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Qolin" <noone@nowhere.com> - 2014-03-13 20:16 +0000
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wclodius@earthlink.net (William Clodius) - 2014-03-13 21:57 -0600
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wilson <winslole@udayton.edu> - 2014-03-13 03:59 -0400
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wilson <winslole@udayton.edu> - 2014-03-13 05:02 -0400
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2014-03-13 07:42 -0600
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-03-13 14:56 +0100
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2014-03-13 00:59 -0700
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Wolfgang Kilian <kilian@invalid.com> - 2014-03-13 09:10 +0100
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2014-03-13 21:09 +0000
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Qolin" <noone@nowhere.com> - 2014-03-13 21:24 +0000
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-13 22:36 +0000
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2014-03-13 17:54 -0700
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? robert.corbett@oracle.com - 2014-03-13 23:43 -0700
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2014-03-13 18:07 -0700
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 23:02 -0500
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-14 04:07 +0000
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 23:56 -0500
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2014-03-14 09:17 +0000
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2014-03-15 11:57 +0000
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wclodius@earthlink.net (William Clodius) - 2014-03-15 16:38 -0600
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-03-15 18:09 -0500
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? wclodius@earthlink.net (William Clodius) - 2014-03-15 19:57 -0600
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2014-03-15 19:41 -0700
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-13 22:42 +0000
      Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2014-03-13 17:13 -0600
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-13 16:46 -0700
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-14 01:17 +0000
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 23:04 -0500
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-14 10:41 +0100
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-14 09:55 +0000
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-03-14 13:16 +0100
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2014-03-18 21:08 +0000
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-18 17:41 -0400
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2014-03-20 03:55 -0700
        Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-14 00:45 +0000
          Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2014-03-13 21:40 -0600
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-14 01:02 -0400
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2014-03-14 10:36 -0600
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-03-14 17:30 +0000
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-14 13:51 -0400
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-14 13:12 -0700
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-14 05:29 +0000
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2014-03-14 10:47 -0600
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-03-14 17:43 +0000
                Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-14 13:52 -0400
            Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-16 17:15 -0500
              Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-16 16:04 -0700
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-14 05:11 +0000
  Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? "Terence" <tbwright@bigpond.net.au> - 2014-03-14 08:32 +1100
    Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-03-14 23:10 -0400

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